"Alternative Facts"

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The most viewed thing is possible. Actually likely. More than 2013 looks fairly likely. More than 2009 is not true. 

 

More assurance to Dreamers (illegals brought here as kids), he's not going after them, wall WILL be built, by executive order if needed

 

Praises the Women's march. Will look into Climate change and work out something that can both be beneficial for the planet and economy 

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/23/sean-spicer-white-house-press-conference.html

 

Violent Illegals are the prio, throwing out kids is not

 

Absolutely a pro-life president, will support the march on life on later this week - yay!

 

Will promote adoption, and promoting young women economically to keep their kids. Adoption system rehaul incoming

 

Trump is open to working with Moscow and Assad to fight the Islamic State in Syria

 

China's Islands in the SCS are illegal, and the US will not tolerate them

 

New bilateral agreement with post Brexit. May and Trump will elaborate when they meet on Friday

 

Talks about moderate Islam w/ El Sisi of Egypt, will keep closer relationship

 

Syrians Refugees are a no

 

Trump's immigration enforcement priorities will be the same as Obama's+Wall

 

NAFTA is not sacred, if Mexico and Canada don't play ball, then US is out

 

Backing off on China (w/ regards to 1C and Taiwaan)*, but affirms that China funking the US tradewise

 

*He didn't answer, therefore I assume a backoff

 

Keystone + Dakota Pipelines will likely happen

 

Social Sec will NOT be cut, will talk to congressional GOP to make sure that we don't pull rug out. No word on if he'll veto directly. 

 

Infrastructure is 100% a go, will be 1 Trillion

 

No word on MC or MA

 

Roasting on the dems for stalling on cabinate choices (CIA, State) should be applied today

 

Says that "In person and around the world" means not just in person. 

 

Affirms that it did not beat 09

 

Drone Strikes against ISIS are occurring

 

Total viewership did beat Obama he says (youtube and all ) in together are most, but in person crowd was not. No direct comparison to 13

 

Paperwork released that he has fired himself from all his firms

[Resident Fascist]

how the funk do you expect mexico to pay for the wall

are you just gonna bully them into it?

yknow, like you bully everyone else into doing what you want?

[senorchavez]

how the f*** do you expect mexico to pay for the wall

are you just gonna bully them into it?

yknow, like you bully everyone else into doing what you want?

We're gonna wave a magic wand.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

how the funk do you expect mexico to pay for the wall

are you just gonna bully them into it?

yknow, like you bully everyone else into doing what you want?

Remittance. Border Taxes. Basically Bully them, but it's legal

[Resident Fascist]

Remittance. Border Taxes. Basically Bully them, but it's legal

 

Oh boy. That can't result in any lasting Anti-US sentiment, can it?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Oh boy. That can't result in any lasting Anti-US sentiment, can it?

Least that can be done thanks to the millions of illegals living in America now

 

Call between Russia. Between Flynn and Russian amb

 

1) condolences for plane crash

2) greetings

3) coordination with Russia on Syria

4) Setting up meeting

 

Scotus Nom in next week

 

Gitmo will be open

 

on NAFTA/TPP

 

Senators releasing statements in the positive today:

Sherrod Brown (D-OH)

Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)

Bob Casey (D-PA)

Senators the negative:

John McCain (R-AZ)

 

Obamacare replacement coming soon, will meet with ryan today. 

[Resident Fascist]

Least that can be done thanks to the millions of illegals living in America now

 

 

"Least that can be done thanks to Saddam's WMD... Least that can be done because of the Taliban..." I feel like I've heard this before.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

"Least that can be done thanks to Saddam's WMD... Least that can be done because of the Taliban..." I feel like I've heard this before.

It'll put american workers back to work to build a 2k long 50 foot high wall. I'll take it

 

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/823622018499284992

 

Trump out of his firms

[Resident Fascist]

It'll put american workers back to work to build a 2k long 50 foot high wall. I'll take it

 

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/823622018499284992

 

Trump out of his firms

 

"It'll put American workers back to work peacekeeping in the Middle East", they said. Creating jobs doesn't mean it's not utterly dickish to attempt to deport people when they've been in the country for years. Just give them citizenship ffs. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

"It'll put American workers back to work peacekeeping in the Middle East", they said. Creating jobs doesn't mean it's not utterly dickish to attempt to deport people when they've been in the country for years. Just give them citizenship ffs. 

No

 

Jesse Jackson praise Trump

 

http://buzz.blog.ajc.com/2017/01/21/jesse-jackson-donald-trumps-inauguration-speech-was-full-of-hope-and-inclusion/?ecmp=trueanthem_ajc_tw_main&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5886424a04d3015c12876a8b&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

Spicer announces the WH will open up the briefing to journalists across the country with "four Skype seats."

[vla1ne]

how the f*** do you expect mexico to pay for the wall

are you just gonna bully them into it?

yknow, like you bully everyone else into doing what you want?

considering there are literally pamphlets in mexico (government distributed), about how to illegally immigrate into america, they aren't exactly being coy about their intentions. why shouldn't he make them pay for said wall? if they're gonna tell their citizens to come to america illegally, and disrupt the system, why shouldn't they be made to contribute to america's border security? as said before, they aren't exactly sending their best and brightest over, the least they could do is up the challenge if they're handing out walkthroughs.

[Tentacruel]

We should just not build the wall.  It's kinda silly. 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

considering there are literally pamphlets in mexico (government distributed), about how to illegally immigrate into america, they aren't exactly being coy about their intentions. why shouldn't he make them pay for said wall? if they're gonna tell their citizens to come to america illegally, and disrupt the system, why shouldn't they be made to contribute to america's border security? as said before, they aren't exactly sending their best and brightest over, the least they could do is up the challenge if they're handing out walkthroughs.

Said pamphlet was made with the intention of reducing loss of life. It even says not to lie to officials, resist arrest, not to carry packages for anyone, etc.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/world/americas/a-mexican-manual-for-illegal-migrants-upsets-some-in-us.html?_r=0

[Resident Fascist]

considering there are literally pamphlets in mexico (government distributed), about how to illegally immigrate into america, they aren't exactly being coy about their intentions. why shouldn't he make them pay for said wall? if they're gonna tell their citizens to come to america illegally, and disrupt the system, why shouldn't they be made to contribute to america's border security? as said before, they aren't exactly sending their best and brightest over, the least they could do is up the challenge if they're handing out walkthroughs.

 

maybe if america didn't support corrupt governments and drug cartels in the cold war to get up on the soviets, south america wouldnt be such a shithole 

[vla1ne]

Said pamphlet was made with the intention of reducing loss of life. It even says not to lie to officials, resist arrest, not to carry packages for anyone, etc.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/world/americas/a-mexican-manual-for-illegal-migrants-upsets-some-in-us.html?_r=0

so it's the surest way of breaking into america without dying, doesn't do much for me as far as inspiring confidence in mexico. why not just have it read "take the legal route" instead? seems like the better option to me. if you can tell your people something to reduce loss of life, then tell them to take the proper path. and as for loss of life, how about telling them to simply not go breaking the law instead of wishing them luck breaking the law.

 

maybe if america didn't support corrupt governments and drug cartels in the cold war to get up on the soviets, south america wouldnt be such a shithole

yeah, sucks about america being corrupt, but that's not a good enough reason to encourage your people to break immigration law. 

[Resident Fascist]

yeah, sucks about america being corrupt, but that's not a good enough reason to encourage your people to break immigration law. 

 

 

Nice to know America is above consequences of her actions.

[vla1ne]

Nice to know America is above consequences of her actions.

no, we aren't, but if that's your angle, then making them help us block their worst from coming over here is our response to that. and the cycle continues.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

why not just have it read "take the legal route" instead?

Because that isn't an option for many? That would do nothing. Someone who felt they needed to immigrate illegally wouldn't see a pamphlet and be like "oh, sheet. there is a legal way to do this? That had never occurred to me!"

 

Legal immigration is a funking mess. The people who enter the country illegally do so because it is their only option.

[vla1ne]

Because that isn't an option for many? That would do nothing. Someone who felt they needed to immigrate illegally wouldn't see a pamphlet and be like "oh, s***. there is a legal way to do this? That had never occurred to me!"

 

Legal immigration is a f***ing mess. The people who enter the country illegally do so because it is their only option.

changes nothing in the end, even under that case, they are still telling their citizens how to best break the (our) law. our response (getting them to pay for our wall) remains the correct one. is it a dick move? yes, but this is country to country, not person to person. telling your citizens how best to undermine the american economy (via illegally immigrating) is still damaging to america, therefore, the response of walling them off, and damaging their economy to do so, while cruel, is indeed a legit strategy.

 

on the flipside to that, should he follow through with his wall plan (and he's given no indication that he will not) i fully expect him to streamline immigration and hopefully down the line, provide assistance to mexico in repairing their own economy, because the "make mexico pay for it" strategy, while potentially effective, is indeed not a way to win over allies. they remain our neighbors, and keeping your neighbor country healthy is something that i do support when all conflict is said and done.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

our response remains the correct one.

That is a little closed-minded to say in such a hotly-debated issue.

 

For example, illegal immigration wouldn't be nearly as big of a problem if the proper avenues for migrants weren't funking broken.

 

But sure, put up a wall so they can just die in mexico. They aren't american, so it really isn't our problem.

 

On another note, how did we even get on this topic? This thread is about some tedium a lackey said, not Trump's immigration policy, let alone the moral efficacy of border security.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Spicer->Today's Press Con->Talk about wall

[Resident Fascist]

changes nothing in the end, even under that case, they are still telling their citizens how to best break the (our) law. our response (getting them to pay for our wall) remains the correct one. is it a dick move? yes, but this is country to country, not person to person. telling (editing as of now, please wait warmly)

 

No, trying to get them to pay for the wall just comes across as extortionate. Why don't all the rich businessmen in America pay for the wall? Why should an already poor and unstable country like Mexico pay for something that does not benefit itself nor get it out of poverty? This is why nobody funking likes you, you barge in, funk everything up on the pretence you're doing the right thing (for rich Businessmen in America), then leave and say you did nothing wrong and the problem was there before you started. 

 

 All trying to force them to pay for it will do is foster resounding Anti-US sentiment in Mexico, and likely in South America as a whole. Because hehe lets maek amerika gr8 agen teehee xdxd

[vla1ne]

That is a little closed-minded to say in such a hotly-debated issue.

 

For example, illegal immigration wouldn't be nearly as big of a problem if the proper avenues for migrants weren't f***ing broken.

 

But sure, put up a wall so they can just die in mexico. They aren't american, so it really isn't our problem.

 

On another note, how did we even get on this topic? This thread is about some tedium a lackey said, not Trump's immigration policy, let alone the moral efficacy of border security.

^well, i edited the post seconds after posting (y nobody wait warmly?), but to address the problems that didn't follow 

 

yeah, i agreed there,

 

you are correct, they are not american, and considering as much, if they are here to be productive members, then i am all for letting them in, welcome to america. but if they are only here to take advantage of the free aid programs america has, then no, those programs are here for americans, and even americans should not be abusing those programs, so i am 100% against such immigrants, legally or illegally, and if that means they remain in mexico, then that will be that.

 

that's a good question, agree to disagree and drop it here?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No, trying to get them to pay for the wall just comes across as extortionate. Why don't all the rich businessmen in America pay for the wall? Why should an already poor and unstable country like Mexico pay for something that does not benefit itself nor get it out of poverty? This is why nobody funking likes you, you barge in, funk everything up on the pretence you're doing the right thing (for rich Businessmen in America), then leave and say you did nothing wrong and the problem was there before you started. 

 

 All trying to force them to pay for it will do is foster resounding Anti-US sentiment in Mexico, and likely in South America as a whole. Because hehe lets maek amerika gr8 agen teehee xdxd

Because they've helped ship millions of their worst here? And we're losing billions each year that way? 10-20 billion over 4 years doesn't seem that unfair

 

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Speaking of alternative facts. Here's one from the left accusing the President and his right hand of being traitors now being debunked

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.48203dc20512

[vla1ne]

No, trying to get them to pay for the wall just comes across as extortionate. Why don't all the rich businessmen in America pay for the wall? Why should an already poor and unstable country like Mexico pay for something that does not benefit itself nor get it out of poverty? This is why nobody f***ing likes you, you barge in, f*** everything up on the pretence you're doing the right thing (for rich Businessmen in America), then leave and say you did nothing wrong and the problem was there before you started. 

 

 All trying to force them to pay for it will do is foster resounding Anti-US sentiment in Mexico, and likely in South America as a whole. Because hehe lets maek amerika gr8 agen teehee xdxd

because it is. i never said it wasn't, i simply said it was par for course. because while rich business men should pay their proper taxes, the wall is not something that they need to be extorted for. because they are sending people over into america, which can harm the economy of the states said immigrants reside in, should they not decide to be proper citizens instead of social leeches (same goes for those types of americans honestly, i understand some can't work, but for those who can work, find work, and don't work, don't deserve such systems...). you're right, nobody likes us, but that's their problem. as for mine, i'm not saying we've done nothing wrong, i'm saying we've screwed up so much that we actually need to do more wrong before we can start doing right again.

 

yep, which is why the end of my edit was so important to read.