Tourmaline Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm so glad that a man is here to explain what feminism really is.And white liberals have no place describing the struggles of the black man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 There are at least 100,000 people in downtown LA. As thousands keep gathering the protest is pushing outwards into the city. My vacation plans of going there are now cancelled, I wonder if this will drag out tomorrow as well. I was attempting to point out that "a clump of cells" seems a bit cold. I felt it was worth it to make that point. I'm aware, it's still an 8 week fetus http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/ "Billionaire George Soros has ties to more than 50 ‘partners’ of the Women’s March on Washington What is the link between one of Hillary Clinton’s largest donors and the Women’s March? Turns out, it’s quite significant" Is anyone shocked? Well he has seen first hand what a right wing movement is capable of, so I'm not surprised that he has a long history of contributing millions to liberal organizations and movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phantom Roxas Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 From the official Twitter account of the Boston Police Department: https://twitter.com/bostonpolice/status/822905503420416001 Per Commissioner Evans: "Really impressed by levels of respect & courtesy shown to my officers by all attending today's #BostonWomensMarch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bad post Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 And white liberals have no place describing the struggles of the black man.You're right they don't. The role of those who come from a position of privilege in a civil rights movement is to act like a megaphone for those who voices tend to be ignored by the majority. The difference between what White and Wahrheit are saying is Wahrheit is echoing the words of feminists while White is trying to say feminists are wrong on issues they should care about. Also before White starts posting about Susan B Anthony again no she was not a real feminist ever. Susan B Anthony was a massive racist and only fought for the rights of white women, and should not have the idolization she does today. And you know? You're a male to. Knock it off with your identity politics.Ahh, good old identity politics. That's a fine buzzword you've got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Ahh, good old identity politics. That's a fine buzzword you've got there.Except I'm right. Identity Politics ruins civil discussion by deciding who gets to have an opinion on what based on their sexual identity, race, or gender. Call it whatever you want, the point remains. White has every right to explain his personal opinion on Feminism and Draco telling him that his opinion isn't valid because he is not female is counter intuitive, rude, sexist, and hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 We do? I dunno about y'all but I've not been getting my razor subsidies recently You're right they don't. The role of those who come from a position of privilege in a civil rights movement is to act like a megaphone for those who voices tend to be ignored by the majority. The difference between what White and Wahrheit are saying is Wahrheit is echoing the words of feminists while White is trying to say feminists are wrong on issues they should care about. Also before White starts posting about Susan B Anthony again no she was not a real feminist ever. Susan B Anthony was a massive racist and only fought for the rights of white women, and should not have the idolization she does today. Ahh, good old identity politics. That's a fine buzzword you've got there.If you're gonna talk about me, it's nice to quote me. It's not only Susan B. Anthony though, it's old waves of feminists as well. Before you trash Susan for going with societal norms, I hope you'll extend a similar view to FDR and other "racist" presidents and turn in your right to vote. From the official Twitter account of the Boston Police Department: https://twitter.com/bostonpolice/status/822905503420416001Per Commissioner Evans: "Really impressed by levels of respect & courtesy shown to my officers by all attending today's #BostonWomensMarch." https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/status/822895128306126850 Madonna: “Yes, I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House … but I choose love.” Maybe they're better behaved up in Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 You're right they don't. The role of those who come from a position of privilege in a civil rights movement is to act like a megaphone for those who voices tend to be ignored by the majority. The difference between what White and Wahrheit are saying is Wahrheit is echoing the words of feminists while White is trying to say feminists are wrong on issues they should care about. Also before White starts posting about Susan B Anthony again no she was not a real feminist ever. Susan B Anthony was a massive racist and only fought for the rights of white women, and should not have the idolization she does today. Not to drive this thread further off-topic (as some already have), but isn't this the reason why we have different waves of feminism?First (~1910-195): Women's suffrage and other legal representation issues.Second (~1960-1980: Reproductive rights, representation in the family and the workplace.Third (~1990-2008): Intersectionality, representation of women of color/non-Western women, LGBT awareness.Fourth (2008-present): Not much of a body of literature on this one yet, sadly.Feminism has evolved to combat various ills/issues as they arise. The issues facing a woman in the 1910s are much different than those 100 years later. Calling SBA a "racist" fails to encapsulate the greater racial divide in that permeated Western culture at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Also before White starts posting about Susan B Anthony again no she was not a real feminist ever. Susan B Anthony was a massive racist and only fought for the rights of white women, and should not have the idolization she does today. Feminists aren't necessarily egalitarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 At some pt, y'all are gonna go beyond equality, and I am skeptical y'all will realize when you cross that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bad post Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Except I'm right. Identity Politics ruins civil discussion by deciding who gets to have an opinion on what based on their sexual identity, race, or gender. Call it whatever you want, the point remains. White has every right to explain his personal opinion on Feminism and Draco telling him that his opinion isn't valid because he is not female is counter intuitive, rude, sexist, and hypocritical.Yeah, because people use 'identity politics' as a cute way to dismiss people talking about civil rights. It's not about saying you don't get to have an opinion, it's saying that the opinions of others who experience things like sexism, racism, homophobia first hand might (hold on to your pants crazy concept coming up here) have a better idea of what their movements should be about. Gasp! We do? I dunno about y'all but I've not been getting my razor subsidies recently If you're gonna talk about me, it's nice to quote me. It's not only Susan B. Anthony though, it's old waves of feminists as well. Before you trash Susan for going with societal norms, I hope you'll extend a similar view to FDR and other "racist" presidents and turn in your right to vote. https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/status/822895128306126850 Madonna: “Yes, I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House … but I choose love.” Maybe they're better behaved up in BostonI would but I wanted to quote two different things from two different pages and so I didn't sorry fam, no disrespect. I will trash Susan with my societal norms, and I'll trash FDR too. The "that's how things were back then" should be used as an excuse idolize people who achieved what they did on the backs of others. Accomplishing great things does make you suddenly above criticism. I mean come on you were just criticizing Aerion for having an ends justify the means argument less than a post ago. Not to drive this thread further off-topic (as some already have), but isn't this the reason why we have different waves of feminism?First (~1910-195): Women's suffrage and other legal representation issues.Second (~1960-1980: Reproductive rights, representation in the family and the workplace.Third (~1990-2008): Intersectionality, representation of women of color/non-Western women, LGBT awareness.Fourth (2008-present): Not much of a body of literature on this one yet, sadly.Feminism has evolved to combat various ills/issues as they arise. The issues facing a woman in the 1910s are much different than those 100 years later. Calling SBA a "racist" fails to encapsulate the greater racial divide in that permeated Western culture at that time. Yes, that is the purpose if having multiple waves of feminism. Each wave is supposed to build upon the last, also fix the mistakes past waves have made. Anthony was staunchly against the 15th Amendment, and plenty of her arguments for giving the women the right to vote was based on the idea that black man (not men in general mind you) should not be considered superior to white women. The results of Susan B Anthony's work during her lifetime are undeniable, but that doesn't excuse the fact that she was a nasty racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Dem performance among white Catholics:2000: -72004: -132008: -52012: -192016: -23Good call on excluding pro-lifers for 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Yeah, because people use 'identity politics' as a cute way to dismiss people talking about civil rights. It's not about saying you don't get to have an opinion, it's saying that the opinions of others who experience things like sexism, racism, homophobia first hand might (hold on to your pants crazy concept coming up here) have a better idea of what their movements should be about. Gasp!I would but I wanted to quote two different things from two different pages and so I didn't sorry fam, no disrespect.A poor white person in the ghetto is going to know a sh*t ton more about police brutality than a rich Black guy in Studio city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I mean come on you were just criticizing Aerion for having an ends justify the means argument less than a post ago.Can you explain how these two are related again please?A poor white person in the ghetto is going to know a sh*t ton more about police brutality than a rich Black guy in Studio city.Well fare more blacks kill blacks than police kill blacks too Reality only gets you so far with the leftists Disclaimer: Leftists, not liberals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Can you explain how these two are related again please?Well fare more blacks kill blacks than police kill blacks too Reality only gets you so far with the leftistsThat may be true, but we have a serious problem when it comes to the concept of police brutality. The problem is that this race debate has mucked up the issue into a whole nother territory and is distracting from the solutions we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 That may be true, but we have a serious problem when it comes to the concept of police brutality. The problem is that this race debate has mucked up the issue into a whole nother territory and is distracting from the solutions we need.Oh well, the Dems lost with every racial group this year. At some point those people in the ghettos realize that Grandstanding and racebaiting won't fix their problems. We're well on our way to make the Dems a minority bi-coastal party. Filibuster Proof Senate in 2018 will be the first step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bad post Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 A poor white person in the ghetto is going to know a sh*t ton more about police brutality than a rich Black guy in Studio city.You're probably right. The point is first-hand experience outweighs outside opinion. Can you explain how these two are related again please?Well fare more blacks kill blacks than police kill blacks too Reality only gets you so far with the leftists Disclaimer: Leftists, not liberalsYou told me I should turn in my right to vote cause I was criticizing Susan B Anthony. Also saying that just because more there's more black on black violence than there is police on black violence is not an excuse to dismiss the problem we have in this country with police brutality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 You're probably right. The point is first-hand experience outweighs outside opinion. You told me I should turn in my right to vote cause I was criticizing Susan B Anthony. Also saying that just because more there's more black on black violence than there is police on black violence is not an excuse to dismiss the problem we have in this country with police brutalityWhy is police brutality more of a focus than the magnitude greater black on black crime. I was just noting that it was a bit hypocritical that you, a white woman, was so downplaying the contributions of a woman who got you, your rights. It's different than Tom's situation cause I'm not condoning her racist comments. Just noting that for the time, there weren't left field No Misandry they said, can you imagine if a guy held up a "eradicate woman" sign....jesus These people think they're better than us; them educated perfect leftist women. The next 4 years putting this disgusting crap down is gonna be amazing and productive for America. Honestly sickening sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm confused, is that saying that I have been in approval of racist comments in this thread or...? Because I've not really commented on any of the racial stuff thus far so I'd be confused as to when I did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm confused, is that saying that I have been in approval of racist comments in this thread or...? Because I've not really commented on any of the racial stuff thus far so I'd be confused as to when I did this.No no, she thinks I'm justifying the ends ignoring the means I'm not sure how she came to that conclusion, but that's where we're at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bad post Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Why is police brutality more of a focus than the magnitude greater black on black crime. I was just noting that it was a bit hypocritical that you, a white woman, was so downplaying the contributions of a woman who got you, your rights. It's different than Tom's situation cause I'm not condoning her racist comments. Just noting that for the time, there weren't left field No Misandry they said, can you imagine if a guy held up a "eradicate woman" sign....jesus These people think they're better than us; them educated perfect leftist women. The next 4 years putting this disgusting crap down is gonna be amazing and productive for America. Honestly sickening s***You are giving them a pass though because they weren't out of left field. Just because I'm a white woman does not mean it's hypocritical for me to criticize other white women. I never said police brutality had a greater magnitude than black on black crime (which I'm not going to get into) what I said was that black on black crime should not be used as a way to dismiss people's concern over police brutality. Besides police brutality isn't just a black issue anyways, it just happens to predominantly affect the black community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Oh well, the Dems lost with every racial group this year. At some point those people in the ghettos realize that Grandstanding and racebaiting won't fix their problems. We're well on our way to make the Dems a minority bi-coastal party. Filibuster Proof Senate in 2018 will be the first stepBelieve me when I say. I grew up in heavily poor neighborhoods. The people protesting right now, they're not the poor people. The poor people don't have the money to go all the way to Washington or NY to protest. They're busy putting food on the table. They're busy working, feeding they're kids, making sure they can pay rent to keep a roof over their heads. They don't have time to protest. The ones protesting and rioting are middle to high-middle class millennials who have the time to get angry about these things, who have the time to makes these trips and protest, who have time to complain about their rights on twitter. The poor, sick, and downtrodden have given up. They either voted Trump in Michigan, or didn't vote everywhere else. The poor people have given up, they don't have the will to fight, to organize. They have too many things to worry about. They know that grandstanding and racebaiting won't fix their problems, but a lot of these people don't believe anybody can. They don't like Trump because they think he is just another billionaire trampling over them, and they don't like Hillary because her husband didn't do them any justice before and she won't do them any good now. These protesters don't know the poor. Not even close. I've seen these poor people all my life. The destroyed sidewalks of upstate New York, the violent neighborhoods of Fort Pierce, the gilded curtains hovered over Port St. Lucie, and the homeless people lining the sidewalks in Key West. I've seen every imaginable poor person you can think of, because I have never lived an affluent life. These poor people just want to feel like they matter, and neither candidate gave them that motivation. They're not in these protests, they're not represented. Not by Trump, not by Hillary, not by Obama, not by the Neocons, not by the Socialists, not by the Anarchists, not by the feminists, not by the elite Hollywood actors, and certainly not by funking Meryl Streep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 ^You sir, are poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 No. It's true I have never had an affluent life, and I have lived by the skin of my teeth with my family, but I have been blessed by God to always have a roof over my head, to go to college, to provide to the homeless instead of being provided to. I have lived with them though, and seen first hand what true hopelessness feels like. I'm also able to argue these things over the internet, and that's a blessing most poor people do not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 No. It's true I have never had an affluent life, and I have lived by the skin of my teeth with my family, but I have been blessed by God to always have a roof over my head, to go to college, to provide to the homeless instead of being provided to. I have lived with them though, and seen first hand what true hopelessness feels like. I'm also able to argue these things over the internet, and that's a blessing most poor people do not have.Showstopper man I think you just won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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