Mirage Guardians?

[adamjohn]

Database here (And decklist could be found in Tourney thread, I'm just want to sleep ASAP and too lazy to paste here), the only reason I didn't start this discussion in that thread was fear of Necrobumping.

 

So yea, this thread is about the tournament winning deck, that Mythic Rulers 2.0 that gonna face its insta-lose against Imperial Iron Walls.

 

I have fixed them and nerfed certain troublesome cards like Ethreal Knight and Mirage Life, which resulting in me need to make Xyz play more often and they're no longer winmoar. Though after certain matches with (experimenting) Shaddoll deck with a WATER Fusion one that let its owner send a card on the field to the Graveyard and topdeck from Grave a Shaddoll monster at the same time as a non-target Quick-Play or another opponent with (experimenting) fields that let you Summon 2 vanilla big beater without any restriction like hard OPT, and both still end in my won, mostly by how I directly compete them by generating an equal or more plus they did. So yea, I'm asking for your opinions on the entire archetype. Are they really balanced? Should some cards get banlist treatment? or can I furthermore nerf something?

 

Again, good night for now and I'll reply/do something I see fit about them tomorrow.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

To be fair, you should NOT have edited those cards without the permission of the creator; or at least, if you did, actually tell them what was fixed and the reason. Yes, I am aware that Noel has not logged on for quite some time, but it is common courtesy to make a note of what you may have fixed. 

 

I'll be honest; this was brought to our attention some time ago when we had the DP tournament in late 2014 - early 2015 (will need to consult that PM I had with Nai or whoever to check). Yeah, this Deck was a reason for needing an approved pool in the first place, so in a way, it did need to be dealt with. If you noticed, even Aix and some others pointed out a lot of the design flaws.

 

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But really, no one has spoken of them in a while (and from what I have been hearing, there are other Archetypes on DP which are just as bad or even worse than this). Granted, this is still Level/Rank 8 spam, even with the generic Dragon supports removed, however we would need to see the rest of the pool on DP to determine if there are other things that can still abuse these. 

[Self-Destruct Button]

I participated in that tournament back in the day, and I can confirm most things Sakura said. They were oppressive and very hard to beat, but the whole idea of having a DP tournament format and its organization were at their very beginning, and no one really knew how to establish a fixed Power Level, and how to keep every deck at it. It remains unknown if we will ever manage to accomplish a balanced tournament, but chances are there will always be the one or the other deck that sticks out.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Closest we've gotten to a balanced (should I say, controlled) system is 2099 and the revised Duel Portal format (to some extent), but even those had some issues. One of the issues that came up in certain cases was mixed variants (not just running the Deck purely with the Archetypal/series members). Testing those out before accepting takes a lot of time, and certainly the amount of cards that come up gets bigger.

 

For now, tournament formats in this section are somewhat on hold for a while; hence why that subsection was removed and everything in there shafted to the main forum. As Yuhi already mentioned, even if we try to set a respectable power level, there's going to be things that we don't account for.

 

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This isn't to say that you can't host your own formats (provided you can manage your own pools and whatnot), but rather another rendition of the official one is on hold for a while.

[Self-Destruct Button]

Anything related to a DP Format from our side (us being Giga, VCR and me) is delayed until the unity release of DP is done. Afterwards, you can expect at least another try, if not a success.