US Trump Administration Discussion Thread

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Man, the tinfoil hat is strapped on way too tightly 

 

Harry Reid going after Comey now lol

 

The media circle-jerk and misinformation about this crap is why we need to loosen up libel laws and put these people in their place

[senorchavez]

The argument going around is that it could reveal their methods for finding out, which does hold weight.

That is fair and all, but those people need to ask themselves "What makes this incident different from all the other, substantiated, hacking incidents that have been reported, (eg. the ones from Korea and China)? What has changed to make them withhold evidence now?"

[Sunshine Jesse]

Man, the tinfoil hat is strapped on way too tightly 

 

Harry Reid going after Comey now lol

 

The media circle-jerk and misinformation about this crap is why we need to loosen up libel laws and put these people in their place

I hope the libel laws are loosened too, so that next time we have a minority liberal president, Fox News will be sued out of existence for endlessly calling them a socialist communist Muslim.

 

But we all know that won't happen because money.

 

That is fair and all, but those people need to ask themselves "What makes this incident different from all the other, substantiated, hacking incidents that have been reported, (eg. the ones from Korea and China)? What had changed to make them withhold evidence now?"

They withheld evidence then too, if I recall.

 

Also, Russia is a far more aggressive and dangerous foreign opponent than China and Korea, so it'd be easier for them to figure out to begin with.

 

even though I think their threat is massively overrated but ayyyy

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I hope the libel laws are loosened too, so that next time we have a minority liberal president, Fox News will be sued out of existence for endlessly calling them a socialist communist Muslim.

 

But we all know that won't happen because money.

 

They withheld evidence then too, if I recall.

 

Also, Russia is a far more aggressive and dangerous foreign opponent than China and Korea, so it'd be easier for them to figure out to begin with.

 

even though I think their threat is massively overrated but ayyyy

Are you funking kidding me?

 

China just flew a nuclear bomber over our ships and Taiwan

 

Get out of here with that sheet.

 

Totally agree with the Fox News part, what they did to President Obama is sickening. But Huffpo and the rest can join them in hell 

[senorchavez]

They withheld evidence then too, if I recall.

 

Also, Russia is a far more aggressive and dangerous foreign opponent than China and Korea, so it'd be easier for them to figure out to begin with.

 

even though I think their threat is massively overrated but ayyyy

While they may have withheld evidence for those incidents they at least gave us something to substantiate their claims. They have given us absolutely nothing this time around, only that they came together and said so. I don't know about anybody else but that's not good enough for me. Why should I take anything that they say at face value given their previous funk-ups, because they might be right this time around? Nobody, and I mean nobody should listen to them until they give us at least a sliver of evidence to support their statements, and that shouldn't change this time around either.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Out of curiosity whatever happened with that guy who was calling for riots if Hilary was elected? Did Trump ever say anything about him?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Out of curiosity whatever happened with that guy who was calling for riots if Hilary was elected? Did Trump ever say anything about him?

He's actually bashing Trump right now for siding against the CIA

 

2016 is a weird year 

 

But I don't think Trump specifically addressed him. Though apparently Trump has had him blocked on twitter for a couple months now

[Sunshine Jesse]

Are you f***ing kidding me?

 

China just flew a nuclear bomber over our ships and Taiwan

 

Get out of here with that s***.

wat

really?

 

Nevermind then.

 

 

While they may have withheld evidence for those incidents they at least gave us something to substantiate their claims.

They didn't.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

wat

really?

 

Nevermind then.

 

 

They didn't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-bomber-flight-send-message-donald-trump-taiwan-a7468021.html

 

Officials say it was the first long-range flight along demarcation line in more than 18 months

 

There's enough common cause for Detente with Putin, likely a give and take with Crimea and sanctions while getting some leverage on Iran in concession as well as a more unified front vs China's recent aggression

 

We shouldn't trust him, but Russia cannot tank the US economy with ease and isn't flying nukes over us 

 

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You know what kills the Russian-FBI-Trump connection

 

An issue here is the DNC hacks started before Trump won the primary. One of them LONG before.

 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

He's actually bashing Trump right now for siding against the CIA

 

2016 is a weird year 

 

But I don't think Trump specifically addressed him. Though apparently Trump has had him blocked on twitter for a couple months now

Not gonna lie this is absolutely hilarious and now I need to imagine some kind of one-sided romance.

...I need to think of something so this isn't spam. Um...

Okay so about the China thing. This is kinda a really important point for Trump's presidency because I can't imagine China being against us to this extent will be any kinds of good. Something needs to be done fast because I really, really, don't want the number of deaths that could easily come from something of that sort.

I get the idea of putting up a strong front and such but it might be good for the US to try and be more careful with this one.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not gonna lie this is absolutely hilarious and now I need to imagine some kind of one-sided romance.

...I need to think of something so this isn't spam. Um...

Okay so about the China thing. This is kinda a really important point for Trump's presidency because I can't imagine China being against us to this extent will be any kinds of good. Something needs to be done fast because I really, really, don't want the number of deaths that could easily come from something of that sort.

I get the idea of putting up a strong front and such but it might be good for the US to try and be more careful with this one.

The one reason I think a balanced budget might be important right now, is we need to start paying off our debt to China...them dumping US bonds can be more devastating than an actual war. 

 

They've been slowly more aggressive for a while now Cowcow. All through the Bush and Obama years. Being chummy with Russia and India isn't cause we like either of those countries, it's because it puts pressure on China...same with Taiwan and Japan

 

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So much for Comey being the guy who was openly partisan 

 

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Trump nets +162 votes in WI recount. Its over.

 

 

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Favorability among (U.S.) Republican voters • Hillary: 7% • Obama: 12% • Biden: 20% • Putin: 24%

Favorability among (U.S.) Democratic voters • Trump: 11% • Pence: 14% • Paul Ryan: 24% • Putin: 13%

 

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/6oxnwsm36w/econTabReport.pdf#page=172

 

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Maine certifies its results: Clinton 357,735 (47.8%), Trump 335,593 (44.9%), Others 54,599 (7.3%).

Missouri certifies its results: Trump 1,594,511 (56.8%), Clinton 1,071,068 (38.1%), Others 143,026 (5.1%).

 

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Governor Perry is EnSec

Governor Romney is not SecState

 

It's likely Tillerson, if he can clear the hearings. I wouldn't be that shocked if he fails to pass hearings and Romney gets it though 

 

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

 

IC not confident on CIA ruling 

 

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Trump Ohio strategist Bob Paduchik is co-chair of national GOP, and as reported, Michigan GOP head Ronna Romney McDaniel is chair

 

This is honestly smart, both these people ran amazing campaigns for Trump this year. Very competent individuals 

[epicmemesbro]

Man, the tinfoil hat is strapped on way too tightly 

 

Harry Reid going after Comey now lol

 

The media circle-jerk and misinformation about this crap is why we need to loosen up libel laws and put these people in their place

 

Partisan media will always be around, it has become a mainstay in the west. I suppose you can take the authoritarian regime route a la Russia and crack down on any media that does not confirm to the government's views but even the threat of that will have the first amendment people drooling and is unlikely to happen. And considering Trump's track record on what he views as libel (threatening to sue an article from The Onion is already a bad sign) he may as well take that route. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Confirmed: Trump to nominate Rex Tillerson as secretary of state, per transition official.

 

Formal announcement coming tomorrow morning.

 

 Some Tillerson-Trump tic toc... Bob Gates first recommended Tillerson at Trump Tower meeting.

 

Trump intrigued and chewed over it. 

 

Trump didn't know Tillerson but invited him in for a meeting.

 

They hit it off. Two global dealmakers.

 

Saw similarities in each other.

 

Condi Rice became a strong advocate for Tillerson in repeated talks with Trump.

 

Latest today by phone as Trump made final decision

 

Other Tillerson boosters, in addition to Gates & Rice: Stephen Hadley, Jim Baker & Dick Cheney. Full court press planned for confirmation

 

Trump team planning big PR push to intro Tillerson & push back on Putin narrative. Statements from GOP statesmen rolling out tomorrow

[cr47t]

Confirmed: Trump to nominate Rex Tillerson as secretary of state, per transition official.

 

Formal announcement coming tomorrow morning.

Well, sheet. We got a guy who lied to the public about his company's effects on the environment becoming S.o.S

 

(On that matter how's that thing with Exxon going along?)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well, sheet. We got a guy who lied to the public about his company's effects on the environment becoming S.o.S

 

(On that matter how's that thing with Exxon going along?)

I have no idea what you mean here

 

He's being picked for his interactions with world leaders, not his bleeding recycled compost heart

 

Since I can count on you for the negative spin, Rex has also been avressively pushing to make

Exxon LGBT friendly in hiring and workplace

[cr47t]

I have no idea what you mean here

 

Nobody is honest on Climate Change lol

I mean his company deliberately hid the truth about their effect on climate change. If you are having a major effect on the environment we live in people should know

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I mean his company deliberately hid the truth about their effect on climate change. If you are having a major effect on the environment we live in people should know

We talking about the same Carbon-Tax-Backing Climate Change Believer here?

[Aerion Brightflame]

We talking about the same Carbon-Tax-Backing Climate Change Believer here?

 

He personally has spoken out about the effects of Climate Change and how it is a problem. But his company has lied about the effects fossil fuels have on climate change historically; In the 80's Exxon were one of the lead deniers, and that despite having been aware of the effects of greenhouse emissions on climate change since the late 81 have done next to nothing actually stop that sort of thing, and have instead funded anti climate change groups. They didn't actually publicly acknowledge the effects for 27 years.

 

Now admittedly a lot of that predates Tillerson, and the company has made positive steps forwards since he took charge in 2006, but it's still not perfect (There's some evidence that they still pay anti-climate change groups, and the continue to lobby against a lot of efforts to shift the industry in healthier ways. He's also refused to look into alternatives with his company and instead focus on petrolium and such. 

 

He's what I'd expected from Trump seemingly; A pro Russia (He's considered to be the American with the second most contact ith Putin after Henry Kissenger, and is an imtimate friend of the second most powerful man in Russia)  energy CEO. Weirdly he does seem to be favour of sheet like TPP, which is a little odd.

 

But there's nothin that crazy about him so it seems. Would've been nice to have someone with expierence, but hey, he's not outright awful in theory.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

About pro-Russian. I wonder if it has anything to do with the hardline stance on Iran

[vla1ne]

i never much understood peoples complaints with putting somebody on who's on good terms with russian leaders. i mean, if he's proven to have leaked info to russia, or protected/enabled their espionage, that's one thing, but a businessma with connects isn't something to be mad at, that's how businessmen are. 

 

as for china, finding common ground over in the phillipines still sounds like a good idea to get back on/build on whatever good terms we may have in china, whether it is or not is still to be seen, but it's not a bad start in any case.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Give Russia Crimea, if the US drops sanctions, the rest of the EU will have to cave.

 

In exchange have Russia put pressure on Iran and North Korea seeing that China won't do the latter

[vla1ne]

Give Russia Crimea, if the US drops sanctions, the rest of the EU will have to cave.

 

In exchange have Russia put pressure on Iran and North Korea seeing that China won't do the latter

wouldn't russia have to reach over china to get to NK in any reasonable amount of time? seems like that wouldn't be the best method of putting them in check. although since china, the unquestionably best method of putting NK in check, refuses to do just that, there may not really be a choice in the matter.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

wouldn't russia have to reach over china to get to NK in any reasonable amount of time? seems like that wouldn't be the best method of putting them in check. although since china, the unquestionably best method of putting NK in check, refuses to do just that, there may not really be a choice in the matter.

Eventually, but maybe not before they start marching on the south or shooting down Japanese interests 

 

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Wikileaks cleared....well what do you know...the McCarthyism was proven bullshit again

[Aerion Brightflame]

As a European citizen I don't want to see an US leader and such with ties to Russia that may in fact drive them to prioritise friendship with them over Friendship with is scary because if Russia expands, it expands in my direction. And a lot of Europe has not to distant memories of a time where a power marched in from the east. It marks an awful lot of our history. On top of ignoring some few hundred years of close ties with Europe instead of Russia. Russia isn't even a particularly good partner for the US other than for say military and oil because the Russian economy is just awful, but the US has that in abundance anyway.

 

Personal ties are probably fine. Buisness ties are more of an issue because it means the Russian government has undue levels of infulence which they can then use as leverage to get s*** from Europe they shouldn't do.

 

So my opposition is more personal, because I quite like not seeing Europe slowing being assimilated into Russia.

 

And China has started to put sanctions and such on NK, even if they are just in line with UN reconomendations it's a positive first step. They are never going to be truly hard on the North Koreans because they have funk all to gain by doing so. If NK collapses they have to do most of the clean up.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

As a European citizen I don't want to see an US leader and such with ties to Russia that may in fact drive them to prioritise friendship with them over Friendship with is scary because if Russia expands, it expands in my direction. And a lot of Europe has not to distant memories of a time where a power marched in from the east. It marks an awful lot of our history. On top of ignoring some few hundred years of close ties with Europe instead of Russia. Russia isn't even a particularly good partner for the US other than for say military and oil because the Russian economy is just awful, but the US has that in abundance anyway.

 

Personal ties are probably fine. Buisness ties are more of an issue because it means the Russian government has undue levels of infulence which they can then use as leverage to get s*** from Europe they shouldn't do.

 

So my opposition is more personal, because I quite like not seeing Europe slowing being assimilated into Russia.

 

And China has started to put sanctions and such on NK, even if they are just in line with UN reconomendations it's a positive first step. They are never going to be truly hard on the North Koreans because they have funk all to gain by doing so. If NK collapses they have to do most of the clean up.

China won't put sanctions on NK as long as Trump and Japan play hardball with Taiwan...and they should. China is stealing billions in Intellectual property from us each year. It's the bargaining chip they have. But Putin on the other can can reduce the power of that

 

But otherwise, as an ethnic Russian, I have no problem with my ancestral home expanding back to it's former glory