US Trump Administration Discussion Thread

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Trump now needs to offer Russia Crimea and work with Assad in Syria in exchange with putting pressure on China

 

Gosh darnit

 

Sorry, doublepost

[Aerion Brightflame]

Isn't that argument an incentive to invest in clean energy to try and improve it? There's a lot of money to bemade by being at the forefront of clean energy, because transfering to it is inevitable. Because the thing you have to remember about Fossil Fuels and such is they are finite resources (As in practically finite, technically everything is finite). Which makes rampant investiment and reliance on them without any real investment into the transition a funking awful idea.

 

What happens when oil runs out? When we lose the source of a lot of our plastics, of most existing fuel sources, of well whatever else it gets used for. When it runs out, we won't have a time frame to have a new solution, you need to have something you can transition to instantly. Probably beforehand actually.

 

If you want to be responsible about this, you have to start investing ways to transition off oil, or else any further investiment into the oil or coal industry is just digging a bigger hole. Either you start shifting funds away from these industries, or you fund the current industry and use the increased growth and such to invest into clean energy and alternatives to make them viable for the inevitable transition.

 

And the best part is, it's nota climate change argument. You can't deny the fact these resources will run out and that we have to have a solution, so basically everyone should go 'Well funk, we need something in place'

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Trump is backing Nuclear Energy, the ONLY alternate energy that's worth a damn

[cr47t]

 

Trump is backing Nuclear Energy, the ONLY alternate energy that's worth a damn

 

And here are some others;

• Biofuel
• Biomass
• Geothermal
• Hydropower
• Solar energy
• Tidal power
• Wave power
• Wind power

Your thoughts on these? You see;

 

Wind Energy and Solar Energy can power a whole city? Great. On windless and cloudy days, you can explain to NYC why nothing will work

There's more than just these two. And yes, nuclear energy is viable, but can be pretty damaging (ref; Chernobyl Exclusion Zone)

[Aerion Brightflame]

But Nuclear Energy doesn't power cars. It doesn't substitute for plastics and what the f*** can we make nowadays without plastics. Biofuels exist, but they take up gigantic proportions of farm land.

 

The fossil fuel crisis is about more than just energy, because we use fossil fuels for a f*** tonne of other stuff. What about changing equipment up to suit whatever new method is chosen? Changing pumping stations? Reworking entire economies like the Russians and the Middle East countries who are currently oil dependant into being in a workable state afterwards?

 

Nuclear Energy alone is not enough of a solution.

 

EDIT: Chernobyl is a bad example against Nuclear Power because regulations have improved a lot, as has general safety since. Especially when there's new Flouride cooled plants coming about that have far better failsafe systems to prevent that sort of stuff (I.E. just venting the coolant instead of letting pressure build)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And here are some others;

• Biofuel
• Biomass
• Geothermal
• Hydropower
• Solar energy
• Tidal power
• Wave power
• Wind power

Your thoughts on these? You see;

 

There's more than just these two. And yes, nuclear energy is viable, but can be pretty damaging (ref; Chernobyl Exclusion Zone)

Failures that need to be subsided to stay afloat 

 

 

But Nuclear Energy doesn't power cars. It doesn't substitute for plastics and what the f*** can we make nowadays without plastics. Biofuels exist, but they take up gigantic proportions of farm land.

 

The fossil fuel crisis is about more than just energy, because we use fossil fuels for a f*** tonne of other stuff. What about changing equipment up to suit whatever new method is chosen? Changing pumping stations? Reworking entire economies like the Russians and the Middle East countries who are currently oil dependant into being in a workable state afterwards?

 

Nuclear Energy alone is not enough of a solution.

 

EDIT: Chernobyl is a bad example against Nuclear Power because regulations have improved a lot, as has general safety since. Especially when there's new Flouride cooled plants coming about that have far better failsafe systems to prevent that sort of stuff (I.E. just venting the coolant instead of letting pressure build)

U wot mate

 

Nuclear->Generate Power->Cars can charge off  electricity 

 

Edit:

 

I'm just happy they haven't brought up Three Mile Island yet

[cr47t]

Failures that need to be subsided to stay afloat

I think I should clarify.

 

My point all this time has mainly been; what is more plausible? Trump's claim it's a hoax, or almost the entire scientific commmunity's (who have spent years studying the subject) claim that is real?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I think I should clarify.

 

My point all this time has mainly been;

 

Trump said it was an attempt to keep us potential down, which is true if you look at keystone and the coal regulations

 

It was a good media spin, but a poor leftist meme

 

I agree, let's transition to nuclear wholesale. Just don't make me invest in bullshit low energy methods that I'm gonna have to bankroll for less bang than the buck is worth

[Aerion Brightflame]

Okay - So when are plans going to be drawn up to make the shift to Electric, to refine the charging process to make it equivilant to petrol conveince say, to get designers starting to shift from making disel and petrol powered cars to electric powered cars? How about changing all the infrastructure like pumping stations and safety checking all of them?

 

And what about all the petrol and disel cars that have no fuel anymore? How are we going to dispose of them? Are we just going to leave them to rust, are we going to just swap out the engines, are we going to scrap them?

 

What is the plan? And why electric, and not Hydrogen powered instead? What are the relative pro's cons and costs of both?

 

Saying 'Go Nuclear' is not a solution, or a plan. Because a plan has details, it considers the sheer gigantic scope of the problem creeping upon us. Something that has to be done, globally because we are stupidly dependant on oil currently.

 

The sooner the transition is planned for and begins, the easier it becomes and the stronger the nation will be in response to it. Imagine being at the forefront of that? How much money there would be to be made pioneering, and easing the wave for other nations?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Okay - So when are plans going to be drawn up to make the shift to Electric, to refine the charging process to make it equivilant to petrol conveince say, to get designers starting to shift from making disel and petrol powered cars to electric powered cars? How about changing all the infrastructure like pumping stations and safety checking all of them?

 

And what about all the petrol and disel cars that have no fuel anymore? How are we going to dispose of them? Are we just going to leave them to rust, are we going to just swap out the engines, are we going to scrap them?

 

What is the plan? And why electric, and not Hydrogen powered instead? What are the relative pro's cons and costs of both?

 

Saying 'Go Nuclear' is not a solution, or a plan. Because a plan has details, it considers the sheer gigantic scope of the problem creeping upon us. Something that has to be done, globally because we are stupidly dependant on oil currently.

 

The sooner the transition is planned for and begins, the easier it becomes and the stronger the nation will be in response to it. Imagine being at the forefront of that? How much money there would be to be made pioneering, and easing the wave for other nations?

If he's smart that's what Trump will do, push for electric charging cars, and push for Nuclear energy, cars should come later though

[Dad]

You really think we're being "kept down" by fighting for cleaner air and water?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You really think we're being "kept down" by fighting for cleaner air and water?

Yeah, because CO2 emissions don't really affect clean air or water

 

Acid rain aside (which is actually Nitritic acid and sulfuric acid, not carbonic acid, so no CO2 doesn't cause that)

 

CO2 can free up water which then will magnify the greenhouse effect

 

No we're not gonna choke to death on CO2

[Dad]

If even China is calling out Trump on climate change, we're gonna be embarrassed in less than a year's time.  Still waiting for you to tell me how coal emission smells.

[Yui]

Yeah, because CO2 emissions don't really affect clean air or water

 

No we're not gonna choke to death on CO2

 

I'm no scientist, so anyone around here who is (I know there are a few on this site), feel free to correct anything I say that is wrong. You see Winter, there's this little thing plants and animals do called breathing. You've been doing it your whole life and with the above little comments, I suddenly wonder if you've even been aware of it ._.

 

To keep my time in this festering pit of a thread short, animals breathe in air (O2) and breathe out carbon dioxide (CO2). Plants, inversely, breathe in CO2 and breathe out O2. So as a matter of fact, yes, we can choke to death on CO2 if things get out of hand. Which, as Dad stated just above, even China is calling Trump out for his climate bullshit. Climate change is a very real thing with scientific proof behind it, much like evolution. Should things get out of hand on Earth and we manage to kill too many plants with the climate we've changed, there won't be enough things turning CO2 back into O2 for us all to breathe properly.

 

Guess where that leaves us.

[Aerion Brightflame]

It is physically possible to choke to death of CO2.

 

Winter's argument was presumably that all the man-made pollution in the world couldn't tip the relative concentrations in the air enough to allow people to choke to death across the globe due to CO2. Neither would deforestation because I don't think we kill plants enough to distablise sheet.

 

However to claim that pollution in general has no negative health effects would be silly, we can see marked decreases in life expectancy owed to pollution related health problems in people living in inner cities, and we have places like London and Beijing rendered unhealthy to leave ones home on certain days due to the levels of smog drifting about. There's the semi famous photo's of Beijing covered in smog in the run up to 2008.

 

So whilst we might not choke to death on CO2, we are still kicking out a lot of pollution that is negatively effecting life quality.

[cr47t]

It is physically possible to choke to death of CO2.

 

Winter's argument was presumably that all the man-made pollution in the world couldn't tip the relative concentrations in the air enough to allow people to choke to death across the globe due to CO2. Neither would deforestation because I don't think we kill plants enough to distablise s***.

 

However to claim that pollution in general has no negative health effects would be silly, we can see marked decreases in life expectancy owed to pollution related health problems in people living in inner cities, and we have places like London and Beijing rendered unhealthy to leave ones home on certain days due to the levels of smog drifting about. There's the semi famous photo's of Beijing covered in smog in the run up to 2008.

 

So whilst we might not choke to death on CO2, we are still kicking out a lot of pollution that is negatively effecting life quality.

 

Winter, if that's really your point, I have something to say to you (and to climate change deniers in general too (not trying to brand you as one));

 

 

(not trying to insult anyone, just trying to make a point)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Winter, if that's really your point, I have something to say to you (and to climate change deniers in general too (not trying to brand you as one)); (not trying to insult anyone, just trying to make a point)

I remember when I received warning points and the thread got locked for posting memes. Guess mods have different standards when it suits their political views

 

I see the Roxas rep machine has already struck

 

Yeah, I'll start taking their word to the letter when their results come out to the letter

 

Not denying it's a thing, saying it's not pressing

 

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"Now don't take any offense to this, I'm not trying to offend, but allow me to completely misinterpret the conversation to call you an idiot. No offense"

 

Lol

[Dad]

I remember when I received warning points and the thread got locked for posting memes. Guess mods have different standards when it suits their political views

 

I see the Roxas rep machine has already struck

 

Yeah, I'll start taking their word to the letter when their results come out to the letter

 

Not denying it's a thing, saying it's not pressing

 

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"Now don't take any offense to this, I'm not trying to offend, but allow me to completely misinterpret the conversation to call you an idiot. No offense"

 

Lol

 

1.)  You shouldn't have been warned for memes.  You didn't deserve those points.  That was my fault.

 

2.)  That's not why the thread was locked.

 

3.)  You are denying it.  

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

1.)  You shouldn't have been warned for memes.  You didn't deserve those points.  That was my fault.

 

2.)  That's not why the thread was locked.

 

3.)  You are denying it.

 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/energy-environment/china-coal-climate-change.html

 

4) and Trump's not wrong, china IS funking us

[Dad]

And we should be punishing them for it.  Them going on about coal after jabroniing at Trump is just as big a problem.  One doesn't outweigh the other.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And we should be punishing them for it.  Them going on about coal after jabroniing at Trump is just as big a problem.  One doesn't outweigh the other.

See, this is a problem

 

President Elect Trump and few loyalists are the only ones push back on China. 

 

Take today for an example. When Trump extended a hand to Taiwan (which would slight china), all the Dems took to bashing him. Not one of them has talked about this. 

 

China doesn't have to stop digging coal till 2030. But they want us to stop now, even when they're contributing more than us. See the problem? Paris is a scheme to ruin the us economy. 

 

And the Democrats (in large) either have no balls, or are in the pockets of the Chinese (GOP is stupid in other ways, apperently I need to pemise this all the time now)

 

 

If even China is calling out Trump on climate change, we're gonna be embarrassed in less than a year's time.  Still waiting for you to tell me how coal emission smells.

This didn't age well

 

 

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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/12/02/economic-illiteracy-sanders-reaction-to-trump-carrier-deal-as-ridiculous-as-you-might-expect-n2253443

 

And Bernie doubles down

[Dad]

See, this is a problem

 

President Elect Trump and few loyalists are the only ones push back on China. 

 

Take today for an example. When Trump extended a hand to Taiwan (which would slight china), all the Dems took to bashing him. Not one of them has talked about this. 

 

China doesn't have to stop digging coal till 2030. But they want us to stop now, even when they're contributing more than us. See the problem? Paris is a scheme to ruin the us economy. 

 

And the Democrats (in large) either have no balls, or are in the pockets of the Chinese (GOP is stupid in other ways, apperently I need to pemise this all the time now.

 

Why are we giving China a time limit?  funk 2030.  They have had the means to move on to solar energy for some time now.  Maybe if there wasn't so much God damn obstruction in the senate, things could actually get passed to pressure China.  Using the tariffs to shut them down in more than one way would be most ideal.  Which means Mr. Elect needs to do both.

 

 

 

This didn't age well

 

Let's try this.  Stick your face next to a car exhaust port.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Why are we giving China a time limit?  funk 2030.  They have had the means to move on to solar energy for some time now.  Maybe if there wasn't so much God damn obstruction in the senate, things could actually get passed to pressure China.  Using the tariffs to shut them down in more than one way would be most ideal.  Which means Mr. Elect needs to do both.

 

 

 

Let's try this.  Stick your face next to a car exhaust port.

Because they own 1.7 Trillion of our debt and North Korea probs

 

This is honestly why we need to move to a Tokyo-Moscow-Washington axis to box China in

 

They're gonna keep pulling this sheet

 

Mr. Elect cannot do anything if congress wants to stop him :/

 

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It smells like sheet, but CO2 is odorless actually, that's impurities in Gasoline you smell

[Dad]

Because they own 1.7 Trillion of our debt and North Korea probs

 

This is honestly why we need to move to a Tokyo-Moscow-Washington axis to box China in

 

They're gonna keep pulling this sheet

 

Mr. Elect cannot do anything if congress wants to stop him :/

 

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It smells like sheet, but CO2 is odorless actually, that's impurities in Gasoline you smell

 

Now how long do you actually think you can breathe that sheet in?  It's toxic.  And Mr. Elect can do a lot if he actually bothers to "drain the swamp" instead of hiring Shrek--I mean elites.  Need to get congress terms set ASAP.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Now how long do you actually think you can breathe that sheet in?  It's toxic.  And Mr. Elect can do a lot if he actually bothers to "drain the swamp" instead of hiring Shrek--I mean elites.  Need to get congress terms set ASAP.

He has the Speaker in his side with regards to that

 

And prominant GOP senators like Cruz and Rubio agreeing

 

That being said, I expect term limits to pass the house and die in the senate. To much filth there to pass

 

C'mon we're still ragging on him for Mnuchin? I don't love Goldman sachs, but if he delivers on a regressive tax cut (cuts for the middle class, but less to none as you get richer) I'll forgive where he used to work (also he quit goldman to work for Trump back in February) 

 

 

First of all no. That is not how wind and solar energy works. They can store the energy you know that right?

 

also just to get it out of the way.

 

imo the difference is that your "meme" didn't have a point other than to say I couldn't read. Craft's isn't much better but it does have an argument to it (Which he should have just said tbh) which is "I would prefer to take advice from the people who studied it".

 

And seriously please for the love of everything stop pointing out people giving reps. Good god man you are obsessed with what other people "like".

You can store it in batteries, but that technology is pretty meh atm.

 

The only person I'm pointing it out about is Roxas...because he's been acting in ways I'm not comfortable with. I think I've made my point to evilfusion and the mod team before. I don't have a problem with people repping morgan. I rep Brightfire even when he posts views opposite to mine.

 

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No I don't wanna waste a post on this