[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Tentacruel]

I hope she wins and promptly gets impeached. Not only does she (probably) deserve an indictment, but it'd be the ultimate insult to Trump and his meltdown would be amazing.

Yooo, that'd be best case scenario.  Neither of them get into office. 

[Dad]

Yooo, that'd be best case scenario.  Neither of them get into office. 

 

If Clinton somehow got the election Kaine would be President I'm assuming if she got impeached.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Casual reminder that impeachment and removal from office are not the same thing. Bill Clinton was impeached.

[Dad]

Casual reminder that impeachment and removal from office are not the same thing. Bill Clinton was impeached.

 

Whoops, my bad.  I forgot impeachment includes the entire office.  zzz

 

And for those of you who were curious about Sanders and Clinton's previous debates, a verified email just confirmed that she got some of the questions in advance.  This is ridiculous.  Check it.

 

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794619552265043972

 

She really funked the DNC.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Casual reminder that impeachment and removal from office are not the same thing. Bill Clinton was impeached.

I'm aware, but it'd be so politically charged that I bet it'd be a guaranteed removal from office.

[Dad]

I'm aware, but it'd be so politically charged that I bet it'd be a guaranteed removal from office.

 

Somehow I doubt it.  Clinton has a better grasp of the system than Donald does.  I mean, look at how she's scathed by.  Narrowly escaping corners like she was James Bond.  Her pockets are deep and the number of people she knows is even deeper.  Even if getting her into the White House is easy, I doubt getting her out will be.

 

Though similar can be said for Trump.  The radicals come out of the woodwork for him.  And they're talking about starting a God damned war here in our own country if Trump doesn't win.  Can you imagine what would happen if he did win?  You'd have a noose on every block and anyone who demeaned President Trump would be hung.  

[Tourmaline]

This entire presidential election should have been Trump vs Bernie. Or, rather, if she had been respecting the rules, would it still be her against Trump? I don't know, but him versus Bernie would have meant less hatred on both sides. So much bitterness, though I would admittedly still be pro-Trump.

[Dad]

This entire presidential election should have been Trump vs Bernie. Or, rather, if she had been respecting the rules, would it still be her against Trump? I don't know, but him versus Bernie would have meant less hatred on both sides. So much bitterness, though I would admittedly still be pro-Trump.

 

Idk how accurate that is.  A lot of the haters that Bernie spawned (cuz they were out there) were just as extreme.  Called themselves Bernie Bros.  I'm sure you've seen it.  Went around and they were just as bad as the bigots they claim to hate.  Attacking people, destroying property, causing riots.  It was ridiculous.

[vla1ne]

Something bugs me about this race: It makes no sense to me that hillary is allowed to stay in the runnings after all the dirt on her and the DNC has come to light. she clearly screwed over bernie, and while the full extent's not known, it's clear that it's by no small margin. Why are there no rules in place governing how the races should be run and what's acceptable behavior from somebody running for president during their campaign? They have all kinds of rules restricting who's allowed to vote, but when news of this calibur comes out (such as her and the DNC being bed buddies in screwing over bernie) there's no punishment, no trial, no nothing. why is that a thing? i understand slander's a natural part of the race, but it's pretty clear that she has been both rigging things, and accepting other people rigging things for her. why is that not grounds for disqualification? in less important events, something like this would be grounds for some form of punishment, but here we see and hear nothing about anybody being fired, or at least reprimanded.

 

this whole elections been idiotic. 

[cr47t]

Oh and apparently the Clintons are devil worshippers blah blah blah

 

Look Dad, I know you're the mod here, but as the creator of the thread I would really like it if you could not post ridiculously objective stuff like this, since a. this is not a thread about cults and stuff, it is about the election, and b. such claims can easily go past the point of reason into ridiculous speculation and conspirasy theories. (And I would not be saying otherwise if the same charge was made of Trump -- I am just trying to keep this election discussion healthy.)

 

With that said, moving on.

 

Though similar can be said for Trump.  The radicals come out of the woodwork for him.  And they're talking about starting a God damned war here in our own country if Trump doesn't win.  Can you imagine what would happen if he did win?  You'd have a noose on every block and anyone who demeaned President Trump would be hung.

I feel like the hangings part here is a bit of a stretch, however I wouldn't rule it out... you never know.

[cr47t]

[Redacted, from merged thread]

[Sunshine Jesse]

Somehow I doubt it.  Clinton has a better grasp of the system than Donald does.  I mean, look at how she's scathed by.  Narrowly escaping corners like she was James Bond.  Her pockets are deep and the number of people she knows is even deeper.  Even if getting her into the White House is easy, I doubt getting her out will be.

If Clinton actually got indicted and impeached, I don't think any elected official would pass up on the chance to claim they "care about the people's opinion!" if the evidence was really overwhelming enough.

 

 

This entire presidential election should have been Trump vs Bernie.

This I can agree with wholeheartedly, although from a sheer entertainment value I don't think there could've been a funnier series of debates. Except maybe Bush vs Clinton if Jeb!'s campaign remained as pathetic as it was during the primaries.

 

But this is a campaign where both sides have entirely reasonable cause to believe that either candidate would outright destroy our country (if not worse), so how funny it is should take a backseat.

 

 

Idk how accurate that is.  A lot of the haters that Bernie spawned (cuz they were out there) were just as extreme.  Called themselves Bernie Bros.  I'm sure you've seen it.  Went around and they were just as bad as the bigots they claim to hate.  Attacking people, destroying property, causing riots.  It was ridiculous.

It's entirely accurate. Most of the appeal of Trump and Bernie came from rejection of the establishment (I'd argue that most of Trump's support that didn't come from raw racism came from that). If they were political opponents, a lot of the bitterness would've gone away.

 

Something bugs me about this race: It makes no sense to me that hillary is allowed to stay in the runnings after all the dirt on her and the DNC has come to light. she clearly screwed over bernie, and while the full extent's not known, it's clear that it's by no small margin. Why are there no rules in place governing how the races should be run and what's acceptable behavior from somebody running for president during their campaign? They have all kinds of rules restricting who's allowed to vote, but when news of this calibur comes out (such as her and the DNC being bed buddies in screwing over bernie) there's no punishment, no trial, no nothing. why is that a thing? i understand slander's a natural part of the race, but it's pretty clear that she has been both rigging things, and accepting other people rigging things for her. why is that not grounds for disqualification? in less important events, something like this would be grounds for some form of punishment, but here we see and hear nothing about anybody being fired, or at least reprimanded.

 

this whole elections been idiotic.

The people who define the rules are people who decide who gets to run, as stupid as it is. No 'rules' were broken, so Hillary gets to stay. This is entirely different from the law, morality, etc etc. The rules don't always line up with what the 'right' thing is. 

 

The DNC is a private organization, and as far as I know, their dealings are unregulated.

 

It's funking stupid. All of it is.

 

But I've already stated countless times why I think Hillary is still the better option so I'll leave it at that.

 

Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/04/fox-news-report-of-likely-indictment-in-clinton-case-just-wont-die/

[vla1ne]

I find it difficult to believe that somebody who'd take such measures to gimp somebody who'd been nothing but fair would be the better candidate. but i suppose that's another discussion entirely.

aside from his supporters, whom i find it difficult to blame him for, bernie was a pretty good guy.

[vla1ne]

Does anyone think we should merge this with the election thread at this point? I mean, it would give us something new to discuss. Just a suggestion.

Maybe. i've got no objections to it if dad doesn't.

[Dad]

Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/04/fox-news-report-of-likely-indictment-in-clinton-case-just-wont-die/

 

Yeah this isn't a slip-up.  This is colossal.  It brings into question the judgment of the persons involved and how accurate their accounts and claims are.  But with so much overwhelming evidence, it's hard to dismiss it all.

 

 

 

Look Dad, I know you're the mod here, but as the creator of the thread I would really like it if you could not post ridiculously objective stuff like this, since a. this is not a thread about cults and stuff, it is about the election, and b. such claims can easily go past the point of reason into ridiculous speculation and conspirasy theories. (And I would not be saying otherwise if the same charge was made of Trump -- I am just trying to keep this election discussion healthy.)

 

 

Except it ain't a conspiracy theory homie.  There are plenty of pictures of Clinton engaging in this ritual as a display of art.  Now for them, it's art.  But the practice in and of itself is described as demonic or devil worship.  So yes, it is relevant, if only just.  Objective, sure.  But it's not a theory.  Someone very close to Podesta was seen partaking in the event.  They call it Spirit Cooking.  There's even an email from Chelsea I think talking about it.

 

Actually, Marina Abramovic (well known Clinton Advocate and part of her campaign) is seen on video partaking in it.  I can send it to you privately, but I will absolutely not post it here.

 

However, I can add this:  https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893

 

 I feel like the hangings part here is a bit of a stretch, however I wouldn't rule it out... you never know.

 

Not sure if pun unintended, but still well played.  A bit over zealous on my part, but you have to realize a lot of us were afraid of extreme Trumpers (namely the KKK, Duke and his friends, and some of the more nutty side of the right) would attack us if we don't support Trump, or attack us for our skin color.  That injustice will almost always exist, but a lot of the people (though Donald has denounced them) hate us without reason.  That's a reality.

 

EDIT:  MFW I've been "uncucked" as the saying goes.

[vla1ne]

Not sure if pun unintended, but still well played.  A bit over zealous on my part, but you have to realize a lot of us were afraid of extreme Trumpers (namely the KKK, Duke and his friends, and some of the more nutty side of the right) would attack us if we don't support Trump, or attack us for our skin color.  That injustice will almost always exist, but a lot of the people (though Donald has denounced them) hate us without reason.  That's a reality.

 

EDIT:  MFW I've been "uncucked" as the saying goes.

 it's not really accurate to claim trump supporters would start a war over losing. sure, there might be some idiots who get violent, but the majority of trump supporters are completely rational folk.  hell i just moved into a neighborhood full of em, signs and all, and they're as good of people as any i've ever met. hell one of them gave me a bed for free when she heard what happened to my last one. yeah, the nutjobs might get nuttier after the election, but i can't see a way there'd be anything like riots in the streets over a win or a loss of either candidate when half the people voting for said candidates don't even like either candidate.

[mido9]

Probably last video before election I post aside from some massive new wikileaks scandal in 3 days:

 

[Dad]

 it's not really accurate to claim trump supporters would start a war over losing. sure, there might be some idiots who get violent, but the majority of trump supporters are completely rational folk.  hell i just moved into a neighborhood full of em, signs and all, and they're as good of people as any i've ever met. hell one of them gave me a bed for free when she heard what happened to my last one. yeah, the nutjobs might get nuttier after the election, but i can't see a way there'd be anything like riots in the streets over a win or a loss of either candidate when half the people voting for said candidates don't even like either candidate.

 

Well, again I was referring to extreme Trump supporters (namely the KKK members and fanatics).  I didn't mean all of them.

 

And yes, there will probably be a mess on election night regardless of the results.

 

 

Probably last video before election I post aside from some massive new wikileaks scandal in 3 days:

 

 

If it can possibly get any worse for Clinton (especially after she's been tied to the Qatars, caught giving out bribes, and is known for destroying Bernie and forcing so many people to bend the knee), there's no way in hell she gets the White House.

[Francis Urquhart]

So why not vote for the candidate that started from the bottom of the House of Representatives and managed to work his way honestly up to the presidency? The candidate that has no scandals, or lingering issues, or contempt for the people of this fine country? Why not vote for me, Frank Underwood, the man who has guided this country through the crises of the past two years, and is ready to continue that burden?

[Sunshine Jesse]

Probably last video before election I post aside from some massive new wikileaks scandal in 3 days:

 

This really sums up a lot of issues I have with Trump and the narrative surrounding him. Not a single word of that actually sounded honest to me.

 

I hear music and cheers over words coming from a man who doesn't believe any of it. I don't hear the words of a man who wants to change the system. I hear the words of a man who only says those things because he knows that's the kind of people he can appeal to. Just like any politician.

 

Even if I push aside ruining the Supreme Court and suggesting policies that would crash the world economy, he doesn't even sound any more honest than his opposition. He has done nothing to lead me to believe that he gives a rat's ass about any of that.

[vla1ne]

This really sums up a lot of issues I have with Trump and the narrative surrounding him. Not a single word of that actually sounded honest to me.

 

I hear music and cheers over words coming from a man who doesn't believe any of it. I don't hear the words of a man who wants to change the system. I hear the words of a man who only says those things because he knows that's the kind of people he can appeal to. Just like any politician.

 

Even if I push aside ruining the Supreme Court and suggesting policies that would crash the world economy, he doesn't even sound any more honest than his opposition. He has done nothing to lead me to believe that he gives a rat's ass about any of that.

He's not really wrong in that speech though. The question is whether or not he'd actually be the one to fix things. Which, while debatable, Is no less of a risk than his opposition. you've likely see for yourself the things that have been thrown at him which were straight up bollocks, his high road speech felt false, but his breakdown of the way things are, was, while slightly exaggerated, more than a little spot on. 

 

I'd never call him an honest man, but most of the things you just levied towards him are par for the course in politics, and as for crashing the world economy, he'd have to get past the senate to do any real damage, alongside the fact that we've already been dug nearly 20 trillion deep, it's not wrong to say we've already got a busted economy. aside from the lack of tact, which isn't so much of an issue if you're looking at his business manners vs political manners. he's actually a decent candidate. in most of his discussions and positions, outside of debating about the presidency, he's still been loud and all, but he's often far more respectful in those cases. he's not a smooth operator, but he's not gonna be the end of the world if he gets into office. he's got quite a few great ideas, and the worst of his ideas are likely to get stopped before they even make it to the first stage.

[Sunshine Jesse]

He's not really wrong in that speech though. The question is whether or not he'd actually be the one to fix things. Which, while debatable, Is no less of a risk than his opposition. you've likely see for yourself the things that have been thrown at him which were straight up bollocks, his high road speech felt false, but his breakdown of the way things are, was, while slightly exaggerated, more than a little spot on. 

 

I'd never call him an honest man, but most of the things you just levied towards him are par for the course in politics, and as for crashing the world economy, he'd have to get past the senate to do any real damage, alongside the fact that we've already been dug nearly 20 trillion deep, it's not wrong to say we've already got a busted economy. aside from the lack of tact, which isn't so much of an issue if you're looking at his business manners vs political manners. he's actually a decent candidate. in most of his discussions and positions, outside of debating about the presidency, he's still been loud and all, but he's often far more respectful in those cases. he's not a smooth operator, but he's not gonna be the end of the world if he gets into office. he's got quite a few great ideas, and the worst of his ideas are likely to get stopped before they even make it to the first stage.

There's a lot about this that I feel is wrong or misguided.

 

It's par for the course in politics, yes, I mentioned this. But people believe he's different than most politicians when they're categorically, demonstrably wrong. There's no reason to believe he's different at all.

 

I've shown links about this before, but his policies will make the debt and deficit (the ACTUAL issue) worse. SEVERAL TIMES OVER. National debt itself means NOTHING relative to the health of the economy, and the idea that it does is sheer GOP propaganda.

 

He's only respectful when he states his positions in front of people who agree with him. He's shown that he absolutely cannot handle being challenged, so saying "outside of the debates" is disingenuous.

 

One of the worst possible things he could do is instate a super-conservative SCOTUS justice, which is something the GOP would overwhelmingly allow him to do. They also tend to support his other disastrous policies (muslim ban, lower taxes, healthcare reform), and he's so loved by the base that he'll have enough of an executive mandate to do almost anything he wants.

 

It would be a disaster by every measure.

 

You can say some of his policies are good. You'd be wrong, but you still have the right to say that. But to say that his worse policies would just be stopped is completely and utterly naive.

 

And that's not even going into foreign relations, which is a field where he would sheet the bed worse than only the most extreme Clinton fearmongering could even come close to.

[Tourmaline]

That was ironically as misguided as you accused him of being and I hate tu quoque.

 

How is not letting people who turned Sweden from closest to real life utopia to rape capital in better than repeatedly selling one's country out?

[Tentacruel]

Woah, woah, healthcare reform is not a bad position.  Maybe his plans suck, but we do need a better system.  

[Sunshine Jesse]

Woah, woah, healthcare reform is not a bad position.  Maybe his plans suck, but we do need a better system.

 

I wasn't clear, I specifically meant his ideas.

That was ironically as misguided as you accused him of being and I hate tu quoque.

How is not letting people who turned Sweden from closest to real life utopia to rape capital in better than repeatedly selling one's country out?

I don't understand how you got from point A to point B here. how is Sweden related at all?