[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[vla1ne]

Dad, please move this to debates if you think it belongs there.

 

There's some stuff i want to say. but first, i want you to watch the video in question.

 

 

 

So... how many of you think this is news worth reporting upon nationally? i know i do. how many of you think BLM should have been the first group on the scene to support this woman after she was put through this s***? I know i do. how many of you want these people put in jail? I know i do. and how many of you expect absolutely none of that to happen in any reasonable length of time? I know i do.

 

 

[spoiler=if you wish for my own further input]This isn't just about party lines, or gender, this is about common f***ing decency. why is it that trump supporters get abused for their views, with near impunity? in fact, there was a man who literall claimed he "had the back" of a man who was verbally, and later physically, assaulting the woman. this video should have led to at least 6 arrests, but as of yet, i've heard nothing of any arrest. and to make matters worse. the cops dared act as if she needs any further questioning, making statement's like "their police were keeping the peace in that situation" and "if she's really the victim, she'll step forth" when you can clearly see that she's not only outnumbered, but by far in the worse position on all fronts. even while these idiots are trying to pin her for hate speech, she's clearly saying "agree to disagree" and the like. surrounded by animals and still speaking logically.

 

this is a solid reason that people vote trump. because this is what people do, have done, and continue to do, to trump supporters. 

 

but there's a bright side to this. you know what happened to this woman after she had to go through this? trump supporters, and trump himself found her, and put her on her feet with ID, a bank account, medical treatment, a new job, and many other things. but i have seen neither CNN, MSNBC, or many another news source. say a thing about it. they're so clearly biased against him that a video from years ago makes headlines for weeks, but this right here gets nothing at all. so please, from any side of the fence, what do you think should be done in such a situation.

 

[Slinky]

Well, there's 3 reasons why that isn't going to happen.

 

1. Trump Supporter

2. Black

3. Female

 

Add that all up, and you get a media who doesn't give a flying funk.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Posted this on the election thread, was promptly ignored by the caring folk of YCM. They only care if it fits their narrative lol

[Dad]

So wait, are you blaming everyone who doesn't support Trump, or the media for not covering it?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So wait, are you blaming everyone who doesn't support Trump, or the media for not covering it?

Anyone who 1) saw the video 2) then did nothing

 

This isn't a lone incident either

 

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/11/01/donald-trump-arson-sign-fire-denver-colorado/

 

The tolerant left has been open season on Trump supporters for a while now

[Dad]

Anyone who 1) saw the video 2) then did nothing

 

Wait, so I'm at fault?  Huh.  Well, I feel terrible.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's not just blacks. Hispanic Trump supporters get sheet. LGBT Trump supporters get funking excommunicated.

 

Tolerance is subjective 

 

 

Wait, so I'm at fault?  Huh.  Well, I feel terrible.

I think if you watched the video, and then felt nothing was to be said, then yes, I don't understand how you can reconcile that with Black lives matter

 

The black man in that video says he wouldn't defend her...jesus, but Black Lives matter

[Dad]

So, you want justice now when it's in your favor (and by all means deserved), but if it doesn't fit your agenda, you turn a blind eye?  How's that work?  You already know where I stand.  But your position is quite unclear.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Posted this on the election thread, was promptly ignored by the caring folk of YCM. They only care if it fits their narrative lol

So I have to explicitly state that something is funked up whenever anything funked up happens? You know how much I'd be saying that then?

Don't insult me just to make it sound like you're the "only one who cares"

 

Ugh I went in this feeling bad about what happened and now I'm just annoyed that I got "called out" on a thread that's supposed to be about this attack that happened.

Edit: And now you're debating BLM, what's that about "fitting their narrative" again?

[Dad]

So I have to explicitly state that something is funked up whenever anything funked up happens? You know how much I'd be saying that then?

Don't insult me just to make it sound like you're the "only one who cares"

 

Ugh I went in this feeling bad about what happened and now I'm just annoyed that I got "called out" on a thread that's supposed to be about this attack that happened.

Edit: And now you're debating BLM, what's that about "fitting their narrative" again?

 

Most of this seemed okay until I got to the second to last part.  How do you feel you were the one being called out?  There are number of people generalized by Winter's statement (i.e. anyone liberal among YCM's Debate Thread).  So that 's false and unnecessarily causing drama.  The rest of it is fine.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Most of this seemed okay until I got to the second to last part.  How do you feel you were the one being called out?  There are number of people generalized by Winter's statement (i.e. anyone liberal among YCM's Debate Thread).  So that 's false and unnecessarily causing drama.  The rest of it is fine.

Calling out a group of people I'm included in includes calling out me. That's not false. That's...

 

 

Wait, so I'm at fault?  Huh.  Well, I feel terrible.

[Dad]

Calling out a group of people includes calling out me. That's not false.

 

You singled yourself out.  We didn't single you out, and neither did Winter.  That's your own fault.  So yeah, it's false.

 

That's like saying if I called every white person a racist, it automatically identifies you as a racist.  That would be incorrect.

[vla1ne]

So wait, are you blaming everyone who doesn't support Trump, or the media for not covering it?

No. i'm not blaming those who do not support trump, if you won't vote trump, that's fine, but i'm definitely blaming those who either believe such actions are acceptable, or would not turn in those who committed such actions. for example, the failed humans in this video, who would attack the homeless over little more than views. the police who have quality video of the people involved, yet (as far as i currently know) have made no attempt to arrest them for what clearly falls under harassment, defacing of both public and private property, assault, and much more. this woman's words were "agree to disagree" how is she, by any means, spewing hate speech? and i'm also firing shots at BLM, who would protest over every damn criminal, but to the best of my knowledge, have said and done nothing for this woman after she was put through this.

 

We all knew the media was biased against the man long before this, that much isn't surprising. this is just another nail in the already heavily nailed coffin as far as that goes.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Oh please, this has been a trend among the left

 

Coon Culture?

 

Taco Tio?

 

Fake bastards?

 

 

That's all from the left wing when someone leaves the leftwing plantation

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

You singled yourself out.  We didn't single you out, and neither did Winter.  That's your own fault.  So yeah, it's false.

 

That's like saying if I called every white person a racist, it automatically identifies you as a racist.  That would be incorrect.

That doesn't make any sense. If you called every white person a racist you ARE calling me a racist. That's obvious. Plus (I edited it so I dunno if you saw)

What do you call this?

 

Wait, so I'm at fault?  Huh.  Well, I feel terrible.

You did the exact same thing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So I have to explicitly state that something is funked up whenever anything funked up happens? You know how much I'd be saying that then?

Don't insult me just to make it sound like you're the "only one who cares"

 

Ugh I went in this feeling bad about what happened and now I'm just annoyed that I got "called out" on a thread that's supposed to be about this attack that happened.

Edit: And now you're debating BLM, what's that about "fitting their narrative" again?

Yeh? I mean you guys made me condemn Trump for the pussy comment and you guys dragged me through the thorns to condemn everything Trump supporters ever do, why do you guys get special privileges 

 

So I have to explicitly state that something is funked up whenever anything funked up happens?

 

Narrative

 

BLM*

 

Only applicable if assaulted by a white, right,  or police officer. 

 

That's the narrative 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Yeh? I mean you guys made me condemn Trump for the pussy comment and you guys dragged me through the thorns to condemn everything Trump supporters ever do, why do you guys get special privileges 

 

So I have to explicitly state that something is funked up whenever anything funked up happens?

 

Narrative

 

BLM*

 

Only applicable if assaulted by a white or police officer. 

 

That's the narrative 

Alright so in that case, who is "you guys"? Because I sure didn't try and say you had to condemn him. I said it was shitty probably but that's all. This is all just generalizations everywhere.

I know. I'm saying that you're using this to advance your narrative of being against the BLM thing. While at the same time condemning people for "only caring if it fits their narrative."

[vla1ne]

stop. right now. this isn't just left or right. it's human decency. no matter what side you're on. if you can see this video, and feel anything but disgust, then you aren't the kind of person i would want to be near no matter who you're voting for.

 

and yeah, it's completely legit to fire on BLM over this, because when it comes down to it, "doesn't fit the narrative" is an entirely accurate argument against them in this case.

[Dad]

You did the exact same thing.

 

I was clearly being sarcastic.  You weren't so it was a mess.

 

 

No. i'm not blaming those who do not support trump, if you won't vote trump, that's fine, but i'm definitely blaming those who either believe such actions are acceptable, or would not turn in those who committed such actions. for example, the failed humans in this video, who would attack the homeless over little more than views. the police who have quality video of the people involved, yet (as far as i currently know) have made no attempt to arrest them for what clearly falls under harassment, defacing of both public and private property, assault, and much more. this woman's words were "agree to disagree" how is she, by any means, spewing hate speech? and i'm also firing shots at BLM, who would protest over every damn criminal, but to the best of my knowledge, have said and done nothing for this woman after she was put through this.

 

We all knew the media was biased against the man long before this, that much isn't surprising. this is just another nail in the already heavily nailed coffin as far as that goes.

 

Both agree and disagree with this.  He's done plenty for people that has and hasn't gone noticed.  But that's because Clinton has the media in her pocket.  They cover what she lets them.  But a lot of the sheet he's done has been so blatantly stupid that it's bound to make news.

 

 

Oh please, this has been a trend among the left

 

Coon Culture?

 

Taco Tio?

 

Fake bastards?

 

 

That's all from the left wing when someone leaves the leftwing plantation

 

Right.  Because there are no crazies among the right.  Not a single one.  You're free to go.

 

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you called every white person a racist you ARE calling me a racist. That's obvious. Plus (I edited it so I dunno if you saw)

What do you call this?

 

Do you know you're not a racist?  Because since you do, you know I'm not talking about you.

 

 

stop. right now. this isn't just left or right. it's human decency. no matter what side you're on. if you can see this video, and feel anything but disgust, then you aren't the kind of person i would want to be near no matter who you're voting for.

 

 

This would sum up the thread nicely.  Just make sure those words don't come back to bite you when someone asks the same of you in a time of tragedy. 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Right.  Because there are no crazies among the right.  Not a single one.  You're free to go.

You miss the whole pt, it's not about crazies, there are TON of those on the right

 

The left is the one that is purist about it's minorities and degenerates people the minute a counter example to the a monolith shows up

 

I think it's a very big problem the media/and most people only seem to care and comment when it happens to someone they agree with

[vla1ne]

Both agree and disagree with this.  He's done plenty for people that has and hasn't gone noticed.  But that's because Clinton has the media in her pocket.  They cover what she lets them.  But a lot of the s*** he's done has been so blatantly stupid that it's bound to make news.

stupid yes, but nothing he's done comes close to what these people are doing. it's words vs actions. they covered that "grab em by the pussy" story till i had to shut down people at work daily in sheer annoyance of the story. this was an assault over a choice in supporters, and defacing of her property when they know that's all she had. bias doesn't begin to describe it. and if we agree that they're in clinton's pocket, then the word biased definitely covers their neglect of this story. or corrupt.

 

which is worse his comments, or their actions? that's why i'm annoyed at the media. i expected as much, but it's still just disappointing to see a story like this ignored in favor of something infinitely more trivial.

 

You miss the whole pt, it's not about crazies, there are TON of those on the right

 

The left is the one that is purist about it's minorities and degenerates people the minute a counter example to the a monolith shows up

 

I think it's a very big problem the media/and most people only seem to care and comment when it happens to someone they agree with

the right did as much while they were in power too. they were just objectively worse at it.

[Dad]

You miss the whole pt, it's not about crazies, there are TON of those on the right

 

The left is the one that is purist about it's minorities and degenerates people the minute a counter example to the a monolith shows up

 

I think it's a very big problem the media/and most people only seem to care and comment when it happens to someone they agree with

 

Well you damn sure don't get that point across when you put us in one box.  And you'll see that from the left and the right.  (Looking at you CNN and funking Breitbart.)  You want justice but you're looking for it in the wrong places.  

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I was clearly being sarcastic.  You weren't so it was a mess.

 

Do you know you're not a racist?  Because since you do, you know I'm not talking about you.

It was sarcasm then? The whole post was just a sarcastic comment and nothing else. So then you just spammed. In a way that got Winter to react. How is that supposed to be better?

 

That's not how it works. At all. It doesn't change that you're saying I am. Which is what I said Winter said that you're telling me is false. Is it false that I didn't care? Yeah. Is it false that Winter is implying I didn't? No. And what was it I said I had an issue with? Him "calling me out". ie saying that I, as one of the group he was talking about, didn't care. That's what I said I had issue with. I would have issue if you called me a racist, even it isn't true, just like I'm sure you'd have issue if someone said...well, anything bad and false about you.

 

If you call an entire group something...you're calling an entire group something. Don't try to skirt around that, words mean sheet, that's the point of having words.

Nobody is allowed to make sweeping generalizations and then go "Oh not you"

Such as, say. "All Blacks are murderers". See what I mean?

 

 

 

Well you damn sure don't get that point across when you put us in one box. 

Apparently you do see what i mean

 

But yes Vla1ne is right. The people who would do such a thing, and those who don't feel bad about it, are damn shitty no matter who they support.

[Dad]

stupid yes, but nothing he's done comes close to what these people are doing. it's words vs actions. they covered that "grab em by the pussy" story till i had to shut down people at work daily in sheer annoyance of the story. this was an assault over a choice in supporters, and defacing of her property when they know that's all she had. bias doesn't begin to describe it. and if we agree that they're in clinton's pocket, then the word biased definitely covers their neglect of this story. or corrupt.

 

 

That's reasonable.  Reasonable until words turn into violence, and create violence.  The scumbags who attacked this woman are a bi-product of Clinton's words.  They should be held responsible for their actions.

 

The same goes for Trump's crazies.

 

 

 their actions

 

Obviously this.

 

 

It was sarcasm then? The whole post was just a sarcastic comment and nothing else. So then you just spammed. In a way that got Winter to react. How is that supposed to be better?

 

That's not how it works. At all. It doesn't change that you're saying I am. Which is what I said Winter said that you're telling me is false. Is it false that I didn't care? Yeah. Is it false that Winter is implying I didn't? No. And what was it I said I had an issue with? Him "calling me out". ie saying that I, as one of the group he was talking about, didn't care. That's what I said I had issue with. I would have issue if you called me a racist, even it isn't true, just like I'm sure you'd have issue if someone said...well, anything bad and false about you.

 

If you call an entire group something...you're calling an entire group something. Don't try to skirt around that, words mean sheet, that's the point of having words.

Nobody is allowed to make sweeping generalizations and then go "Oh not you"

Such as, say. "All Blacks are murderers". See what I mean?

 

 

 

Apparently you do see what i mean

 

But yes Vla1ne is right. The people who would do such a thing, and those who don't feel bad about it, are damn shitty no matter who they support.

 

I'll leave it alone then.

[vla1ne]

That's reasonable.  Reasonable until words turn into violence, and create violence.  The scumbags who attacked this woman are a bi-product of Clinton's words.  They should be held responsible for their actions.

 

The same goes for Trump's crazies.

that's fair. when words are meant to incite violence i can understand both media and voter backlash. i'm not saying everything he's gotten was undue, he's made a lot of dumb comments, as i'm sure most, if not all of the election thread members will tell you. but when there's such a clear divide between the supporters that they begin attacking under false banners, against someone who has done nothing at all to deserve such misery, i can't help but ask what might be causing it. and when i look at the news, the only answer i see is attack after attack. waves of character assassination, directed at trump and his supporters.

 

 

many people in america, both politician, and supporter alike, have forgotten how to respect opposing ideas, and by extension, people. they've somehow come to the conclusion that violence and intolerance is fine if the person you direct it towards is one who disagrees with you( completely defeating the point of tolerance) and yeah, this election, i've seen both online, and firsthand, mainly from Hillary supporters, AKA, members of the left. not all, but enough that it makes me think that the left is doing whatever they can to foster such environments for their voter base..