Aerion Brightflame Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 What? Y'all HAVE called him out on his a****** nature. That's not the point Cow Cow was making. You said to us 'Stop speaking for people you barely understand' then CowCow points out you do the same for Hillary voters. Us calling out Trump for being an arse is irrelevant to that. The point is you also generalise the viewpoints of those not supporting Trump to fit your narrative, which makes calling people out for it kinda silly. Because there are many reasons that both sides have to support or dislike either or both candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Guys, I don't agree with a lot of what White has said and I don't know if I could vote for Trump, but what seems to be happening is that he's doing backflips trying to support his candidate and find information about both candidates and issues and the response has been "Nah, that's silly, you're silly." To be honest I'm not sure which candidate I find worse. Trump's an jabroni but I'm still not entirely convinced he'd be measurably worse for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 No, it's perfectly understandable. Plenty of obviously-awful and corrupt presidential candidates were elected solely due to how bad the opposition was. Examples:Bush.Grant.Nixon had a shady record before the Watergate scandal and was re-elected. Hell, some are viewed as good presidents despite obvious corruption and scandals, such as Ronald Reagan, whose administration is arguably responsible for everything bad that has happened to America since then. The lesser of two evils is how American politics has always worked. There is no decay. It doesn't reflect poorly on us at all, especially when the alternative is an equally-corrupt homunculus who says awful things on a regular basis. The primaries are what reflected poorly on us. We could've had Bernie Sanders up against... uh... who's the closest thing to a not-awful Republican...Rand Paul? I'll go with Rand Paul. Even a pseudo-libertarian's views line up at least 30% with my own. We could've had Rand Paul against Bernie Sanders. Instead we picked two Batman supervillains. f***.Pretty much this, I really wanted Rand to win, 80% of my views matched his, and I thought he had a chance considering his father of Ron Paul originally endorsed him and that man had gained a significant following during 2008 and 2012. Even then the odds were stacked against him in that clown show of a primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Guys, I don't agree with a lot of what White has said and I don't know if I could vote for Trump, but what seems to be happening is that he's doing backflips trying to support his candidate and find information about both candidates and issues and the response has been "Nah, that's silly, you're silly." To be honest I'm not sure which candidate I find worse. Trump's an jabroni but I'm still not entirely convinced he'd be measurably worse for the country.What backflips though, it's not a backflip if I agree with him In other words, not that it means much, but ISIS endorsed HRC today and urged every muslim to vote for her I lied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 but ISIS endorsed HRC today and urged every muslim to vote for her Source, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Source, please.http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/isis-leader-calls-for-american-muslim-voters-to-support-hillary-clinton/ That's not the point Cow Cow was making. You said to us 'Stop speaking for people you barely understand' then CowCow points out you do the same for Hillary voters. Us calling out Trump for being an arse is irrelevant to that. The point is you also generalise the viewpoints of those not supporting Trump to fit your narrative, which makes calling people out for it kinda silly. Because there are many reasons that both sides have to support or dislike either or both candidates.I have two idiot parents and a sibling voting for HRC. I understand all too well. In fact my sister is the only one in this family who realizes the issues at stake and I'm going to be eternally grateful show open my eyes to the witch HRC is Either you're moon-eyed about the "progress" made in the Obama years or Trump is incredibly unpalatable for a range of issue going from his method of communication to his policies. I get why y'all think HRC is good or better than Trump. I simply reject it for myself. All Obama has done is made it more dangerous for a minority such as myself to break free of the mold he has cast for us. Case in pt, look at what they're doing to peter Thiel atm. I'm saying Jesse is out of touch as funk. First the whole America doesn't care about HRC's emails. Wrong. Then rationalizing supporting HRC based on the current status quo. Sure. That's valid, but 2/3s of Americans think the country is heading in the wrong direction. So you're in a minority when you say you like things as are and want to vote such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 2/3's of America think that the US is heading in the wrong direction, but Obama has like a 55% approval rating last I checked. Which means you can infer the opposition is not solely due to people disliking the policies of the current leadership and instead Congress. Because Congress is filled with obstructionist bastards and they have like 11-16% approval rate currently. So you can infer that not all who think America is going in the wrong direction think it's because of Obama, but because of the collapse of Congress's will to actually do there job. It's not as simple as saying 'Oh most America's don't like the status quo, blame it all on the administrative branch'. The legislative branch is a universally despised and broken system currently, it's a guess to say people who take issue with the current direction of the US blame it as much (And more likely more than) Obama and whatever policies he enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Oh, right, I forgot, there's no democrats in Congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Oh, right, I forgot, there's no democrats in Congress I didn't say Republican or Democrat. I said 'obstructionist bastards'. Partisanship is an issue both sides of the isle share in Congress right now and both are to blame for. I would assign more of the blame to the Republicans because they have a Majority, but I'm aware it's an issue both sides currently have. It's 85% of the voting population who disprove of congress - It's an issue that everyone shares. That congress just doesn't get sheet done like it should do. I would be far more inclined to assign some of the dissatisfaction with the current state of the US to something 85% hate than something less than 50% hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just out of curiosity, why aren't the current Presidential candidates promising to try and get Congress off of its collective ass and do what it's supposed to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/isis-leader-calls-for-american-muslim-voters-to-support-hillary-clinton/ "WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website — even those based on real people — are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle." Do you actually look at the garbage you post, or are you just talking out of your ass purely because you like to read your own posts? Let me guess, you're against fact checking too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 What backflips though, it's not a backflip if I agree with him In other words, not that it means much, but ISIS endorsed HRC today and urged every muslim to vote for herBy backflips I just mean you're putting a lot of effort into discussing politics, which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 "WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website — even those based on real people — are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle." Do you actually look at the garbage you post, or are you just talking out of your ass purely because you like to read your own posts? Let me guess, you're against fact checking too, right?The former, misread an article of her supporting ISIS I'm glad you caught that, I should have read it closely first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 By backflips I just mean you're putting a lot of effort into discussing politics, which is good.Probs not healthy, clearly I'm losing it as evidenced by me not checking source history. Idk what to think, there's clear money transaction to SA and other foreign agents with the explicit knowledge of them supporting ISIS. But I'm a terrible messenger. Someone like Hina would be better at this. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article108627627.html Good on the dems for condemning it right way, still domestic terrorism Speaking of mental black flips, not sure how you reconcile that with HRC And this is unsurprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Speaking of mental black flips, not sure how you reconcile that with HRCNot sure that's the real one -- last time I saw a tweet by him it just said "Bernie Sanders" for the name and had his campaign-styled Bernie word as the avi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Not sure that's the real one -- last time I saw a tweet by him it just said "Bernie Sanders" for the name and had his campaign-styled Bernie word as the avi.https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/ Gonna go out on a limb and call this real, but maybe there was a disclosure somewhere before that its a parody acct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Probs not healthy, clearly I'm losing it as evidenced by me not checking source history. Idk what to think, there's clear money transaction to SA and other foreign agents with the explicit knowledge of them supporting ISIS. But I'm a terrible messenger. Someone like Hina would be better at this. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article108627627.html Good on the dems for condemning it right way, still domestic terrorism That doesn't mean she's supporting ISIS. It could mean any number of things. Whether a good idea or not, Saudi Arabia is considered our ally, and there was likely political pressure to support them as a result, regardless of who they may or may not have ties to. It sucks either way, though. Also, if that's a real quote from Bernie, he's wrong. The opposite is happening. We've been controlled by special interests for a long time now and are finally starting to move away from that, as evidenced by how well Bernie did in the primaries. I guess Trump technically counts too given how a lot of people view him, but he still represents special interests from himself and his businesses. People are 'waking up.' A large portion of the country voted against what they perceive to be special interests in picking Trump and almost picking Bernie. Even a portion of the super-gullible and degenerate religious right of America can see there's a problem somewhere. We're making progress. I just happen to think they picked the wrong candidate in Trump. But as much as I hate to admit it, he was really at least the second or third best option among Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 That doesn't mean she's supporting ISIS. It could mean any number of things. Whether a good idea or not, Saudi Arabia is considered our ally, and there was likely political pressure to support them as a result, regardless of who they may or may not have ties to. It sucks either way, though.And how about accepting money back from them? It goes beyond that too though, Clinton took the lead role in organizing the so-called “Friends of Syria” (aka Al Qaeda/ISIS) to back the CIA-led insurgency for regime change in Syria. Don't you think the American Public had the right to know we're helping defend a nation that is actively conspiring against us? Why is SA considered our ally? As for the rest, I think you're right there. I see Bernie's ideas as infeasible and frankly scary, you see Trump as a self-interested conman. Both both were a pretty strong rebuke to the establishment. The fact that media's trust rating is in the single digits shows that "we" might be winning after all. That statement from Bernie seems a pretty apt description of HRC and her media cartel from my eyes Edit: This could be bad. Those are encryption keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Don't you think the American Public had the right to know we're helping defend a nation that is actively conspiring against us? Why is SA considered our ally?You know, as much as I dislike SA and much of what they have been doing, they're probably the only stable country in the Middle East by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 You know, as much as I dislike SA and much of what they have been doing, they're probably the only stable country in the Middle East by now.That'd honestly be Israel or Iran SA only looks stable because 1) They're working with the enemy in the area 2) They're not taking any refugees from the area 3) They're using us to defend themselves. If the US stops bankrolling the Saudis, then you'll see their "stability" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 That doesn't mean she's supporting ISIS. It could mean any number of things. Whether a good idea or not, Saudi Arabia is considered our ally, and there was likely political pressure to support them as a result, regardless of who they may or may not have ties to. It sucks either way, though. Also, if that's a real quote from Bernie, he's wrong. The opposite is happening. We've been controlled by special interests for a long time now and are finally starting to move away from that, as evidenced by how well Bernie did in the primaries. I guess Trump technically counts too given how a lot of people view him, but he still represents special interests from himself and his businesses. People are 'waking up.' A large portion of the country voted against what they perceive to be special interests in picking Trump and almost picking Bernie. Even a portion of the super-gullible and degenerate religious right of America can see there's a problem somewhere. We're making progress. I just happen to think they picked the wrong candidate in Trump. But as much as I hate to admit it, he was really at least the second or third best option among Republicans.So what excuse do you have for supporting crime and cheating? Both are indefensible but the red herrings and CowCow are good subjects. Also earlier corruption and crime does not excuse present corruption and crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Is it impossible for you all to debate without personal attacks? I don't understand. Final warning for the entire thread. I shouldn't have to lock this, but I will if you can't grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Holyshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 So what excuse do you have for supporting crime and cheating? Both are indefensible but the red herrings and CowCow are good subjects. Also earlier corruption and crime does not excuse present corruption and crime.My excuse is that both are criminals and cheaters, but I believe one of them will seriously harm the country if elected, and the other will continue the gradual path to improvement that the previous administration set us on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Firetrucks outside embassy according to brits, a confirmation or denial would be nice They dropped PodestaEmails10 that doesn't mean much though. No update from Wikileaks on Assange's condition. Reportedly 10 other WL people were also cut off from their internet This is honestly disturbing. Those protesters in the primary? They were all plants. They were trained to agitate Trump supporters. Sickening display from the HRC camp Bought and sold She lied, this was 2 days after Combetta used bleachbits, if that's not Obstruction of Justice, Idk what is BTW, half of Iowa (and wisconsin) are racist? Go funk yourself HRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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