[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Sunshine Jesse]

Why? I don't care about the issue. They can frack and mine all they want. And I actually agree with HRC on this. A lot of these groups are Russian and Chinese funded because forcing us to cut down on those kinda endeavor kills our GDP and retroactively helps theirs. It would have moved me closer to her if not for the fact Trump mentioned China doing it nearly a year ago

 

Like I said, I don't expect one of your to change your mind. I just want to document that I for one haven't given my country up to corruption 

 

 

Like this

It's been "sold to corruption" for decades- nay, centuries.

 

That's why Trump's campaign slogan is bullshit. He can't "make America great again" because it was never great in the past. It's, by almost every metric, better now than it's ever been. The unemployment rate is lower than it's been in 20 years. Crime rates are lower. The GDP growth is at sustainable levels. People enjoy more rights than they ever have before. The only metrics by which it's bad are the metrics of social conservatives who believe certain people shouldn't have the rights they do now, and by those who don't know a thing about economics and believe that the national debt is a far bigger issue than it is.

 

And, of course, by those who think it's unacceptable that we're not better than we are now. That we're getting better too slowly. And the people who believe that aren't those who support Trump, because he doesn't have a single position that represents actual progress in the right direction. He's done nothing but pander to emotions and anger over issues that either aren't as bad as he says (immigration) or don't exist.

 

The problem is not people who keep their corruption hidden. In order to keep the populace- who ultimately decide how much power they have- satisfied, they must throw us a bone or two every so often. These bones are the source of all progress we've made ever since the New Deal. It's regrettable, and it's a large portion of why Bernie Sanders held so much appeal towards me and others, but it's just how things work.

 

The problem is those who sell blatant corporate pandering and corruption as a good thing, and people believe it.

 

This is where my support of Hillary comes from. She's corrupt, sure, and she's poking a few things that are better left alone (Russia, even though I think they're vastly overrated as a threat), but she doesn't have the audacity to sell blatant corporate pandering as a good thing as much as Trump does.

 

Here are several occasions in which Trump does the same, taken from his very site:

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/

 

Benefits the upper class far more than the middle class.

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/regulations/

 

I shouldn't have to explain why a "freeze on all new regulations" is blatant corporate pandering. Sure, some are pointless and frivolous, but letting corporations do whatever they want has proven time and time again to have awful effects (see: the housing crisis).

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/health-care/

 

Removing state lines won't do anything but make insurance companies move to the state where they pay the lowest state tax. This is tremendous pandering towards health insurance companies. It won't improve healthcare or prices, it'll just make the insurance companies richer.

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/energy/

 

Literally suggests using more natural gas and implying that'll reduce emissions. This will save and preserve nothing except money. Also mentions nothing about nuclear power which is something both you and I agree on, or any other alternative source of energy.

 

How can you call this anything but corrupt? Is it because he doesn't hide it? That makes it worse. These are awful ideas that he tries to pass off as good!

 

Now go through Hillary's list of issues and find the same- and I mean her actual list of issues on her site, not links to images of emails where one of her associates says something tenuously related to corporate pandering. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying to find something as blatant as what I've shown. Show her passing off demonstrably terrible ideas as good things.

 

I'm not saying you can't. You probably can. But I doubt you can find anything as blatantly dangerous and misleading as what I've linked here, unless you actually believe these are good ideas.

[cr47t]

You guys really think I have nothing better to do that make up fake email claims that you could debunk in a minute with a simple google search in the hopes of maybe getting 1-2 votes...cmon

Well, I guess I was going a bit far then. But how can we know which article came first? And just because they plagaraize one quote doesn't debunk the entire story -- it could have still happened, just differently.

[cr47t]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/10/13/people-are-so-stressed-by-this-election-that-the-american-psychological-association-has-coping-tips/ Stressed?

[Wizarus]

Trump is now pulling out of Virginia, which is terrible for the GOP. Even if Trump wasn't going to win the state, it insults the Republican base there, which is still fairly large. It may seal the deal that Virginia is a "likely blue" state now.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Trump is now pulling out of Virginia, which is terrible for the GOP. Even if Trump wasn't going to win the state, it insults the Republican base there, which is still fairly large. It may seal the deal that Virginia is a "likely blue" state now.

 

He "pulled out" of Iowa too, you don't see me crying.

 

He pulled out of OH and FL 2 days ago too technically, he's moving ads around. (Like out of northernmost VA)

For your information though he has a 140 million ad buy that includes VA coming up.

 

Poll yesterday came out with him in MoE

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/trump-campaign-insists-its-not-quitting-in-virginia-just-moving-staff-for-now/2016/10/13/e7b18540-9195-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html

 

MSM tried this same sheet with FL and OH, you're not gonna demoralize any trump supporters by parroting this bullshit

 

Jesse you're so out of touch it's beautiful. Plenty of small business and farms want lower regulations, there's a reason why the majority of small business CEO's support Trump.

 

Trump has never claimed to be the green promoting president. Climate change IS a Russian and Chinese hoax, for once HRC spoke the truth. People were telling us NYC and FL would be underwater by now, news flash, they're not. Stop underestimating the Earth. Yes carbon is bad, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Us killing our economy for the sake of pandering to that illusion is terrible for the US. 

 

@Healthcare, look up monopolistic competition. I get that you've shown a pitiful lack of knowledge regarding economics but it's never too late for you to educate yourself.

 

Idk if this is clear or not, but I don't give a flying funk how any of you vote. If you think HRC represents your views, which you clearly do. Please vote for her. She doesn't represent mine, so I will keep documenting how she doesn't. 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/10/13/people-are-so-stressed-by-this-election-that-the-american-psychological-association-has-coping-tips/ Stressed?

 

 Whatever happens on Nov. 8, life will go on. Our political system and the three branches of government mean that we can expect a significant degree of stability immediately after a major transition of government. Avoid catastrophizing, and maintain a balanced perspective.

 

Uh, there's democratic senators now saying she's told them she'll use EO to kill 2A. Obama is implicated. MSM is running a gobbels type propaganda machine. DNC is putting out ads for fake rape victims to create an opening for muckracking. Don't tell me that life will go on. That much is obv. The standard of life we lead here needs to change. 

 

They're threatening war with Russia, Russian's military is mobilizing. India signed on with a pseudo military organization consisting of China and Russia. India increased it's tritium extraction program and a good portion is going to Russia. Gorbeshev says the world has never been closer to war.

 

Y'all are what, 23-24? If there's war, I'm the one who's gonna get drafted and have to fight against my families homelands because the witch need some war or the other. So No I can't relax. I'm terrified about what world I'm going to wake up in tomorrow.

 

And that 3 branches excuse is bullshit. GOP = Dems. They're both warhawk globalists salivating to whore out America

 

Since the criteria for assault is now bullshit, ya know, you need no witness or such. Lets get this man on CNN

 

 

 

http://axiomstrategies.com/abc/

[Sunshine Jesse]

 

Jesse you're so out of touch it's beautiful. Plenty of small business and farms want lower regulations, there's a reason why the majority of small business CEO's support Trump.

 

Trump has never claimed to be the green promoting president. Climate change IS a Russian and Chinese hoax, for once HRC spoke the truth. People were telling us NYC and FL would be underwater by now, news flash, they're not. Stop underestimating the Earth. Yes carbon is bad, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Us killing our economy for the sake of pandering to that illusion is terrible for the US. 

 

@Healthcare, look up monopolistic competition. I get that you've shown a pitiful lack of knowledge regarding economics but it's never too late for you to educate yourself.

 

You have officially hit a nerve.

 

I know how economics works. I know what history has shown. I know that "small business" has been GOP rhetoric for "big business" for the past few decades. Farmers are the exact type of people who'd buy into this rhetoric, and it's really sad. Climate change a hoax? And you base this off of a few failed worst case scenario predictions? And worse, you call it a hoax from the country that emits almost twice as much as we do? The country that action needs to be taken against in order to stop them from ruining the world more than we're on the path to doing already?

 

Come the f*** on. I guess you're not smarter than Trump after all.

 

You know, let me let you in on a little something. I'm not trying to change your mind. I never was. You're literally just a caricature of Trump supporters at this point. It was never about you. It was about using you, a walking, breathing strawman, to show anyone who might be on the fence just how wrong Trump and his supporters are on a fundamental level.

 

If I can stop just one person from voting for the dangerous meme candidate with the world's most gullible supporters, that's all I need. They don't even have to vote for Hillary. They can vote third party. That's a legitimate option and one I fully support, especially for those who don't live in a swing state. Both of the candidates are awful, but only one of them represents the kind of awful that won't put a stop to all of the progress this country has made in the past few years.

 

I'm not going to tell people that they're awful for considering voting Trump, because accepting people in moments of weakness, especially otherwise smart ones, giving them a community to fit in, empowering them, and filling their mind with loads of damaging and incorrect information is exactly how cults work. The confused and undecided aren't stupid. They aren't bad people. They simply have yet to be informed that the narrative Trump and his supporters try to peddle is a load of dishonest horseshit based on false equivalencies and outright fabrications. A lot of Trump supporters have simply fallen for this narrative, and the longer they remain in their little circlejerk, the more they deny facts and dismiss common sense as some grand conspiracy by the mainstream media.

 

Perhaps that's the most damaging thing about the Trump campaign. It's all part of some grand conspiracy. Everything is paid off. Nothing is trustworthy unless it fits within their worldview. Facts take a backseat to feelings.

 

And when confronted with this, all they can say is "no u," deflecting all the accusations back onto us, trying to paint Hillary and her associates as the exact same things we accuse Trump and his supporters of being as if it makes him a better person or candidate by any measure.

 

It's f***ing ridiculous. The Trump campaign is f***ing ridiculous. You're f***ing ridiculous. Don't try to paint yourself as neutral or reasonable. You're not just documenting where Hillary doesn't represent your views, and don't try to fool us into thinking you are.

 

You're just parroting everything bad you hear about Hillary on /r/The_Donald and denying the true depth of just how awful Trump is at every turn.

 

But hey, at least I have to give you credit somewhere. You're not deep enough in the rabbit hole to actually think Trump is a great person. Or maybe you do, and are simply lying and trying to appear more reasonable so that some people might begin to doubt that a lot of Trump supporters are deluded, blind cultists. Given you slipped up and actually called him a 'hero,' I have reason to believe this is the case.

 

If that accusation is correct, all I can do is provide you with a meme:

 

 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Lol that's cute. I touched your nerve because you're unable to deal with facts. That post had very little substance in it tbh

 

1) You claim you have an understand of economics and history? Then don't further elaborate. Meaningless qualifier

 

2) http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/05/small-business-says-trump-is-their-pick-for-president.html

 

3) No? That's not what I said. I said people make it seem more dire than it is. It is a Chinese and Russian hoax because those are two economies that grow at the expanse of ours. If we stop with our energy output they'll have an easier time to overtake us. CO2 is bad for the world in large amounts. Not denying that at all. I'm saying to fix that problem we need to take a step back and grow our economy again so we can develop technology to remove carbon down the road. 

 

4)

 

 

 

Still undecided. Trump's not perfect, he does stupid things like talking about grabbing pussy while on wire. Actually. Valid options? Like the man who can't name single world leader he respects or the woman who thinks nuclear energy is a government plan to kill us all? Sure. You convince them to go there. Facts on the other hand show the 3rd party vote shrinking. 

 

It's not a mainstream media conspiracy where they're literally putting up people for rape charges who get debunked in less than 24 hours. It's not a conspiracy when Wikileaks get 13 minutes of coverage relative to 183 for Trump talking about pussy. 

 

You're part of the problem Jesse. You're a perfect example of the useful idiot that stalin loved to talk about. You're beyond saving, but enough people can read "how shall we hide 55k emails from congress and should we ask obama to help us hide them" and not be like oh well the other guy talked about pussy, so better vote for the traitor. 

 

We've had enough of your ilk.

 

Can you explain where I'm documenting things other than those I don't agree with HRC on? If anything I gave her credit for calling out the fracking opposition like she should have done. I mean what do you want me to call you guys. If you keep spouting the bullshit off CNN how are you any better than me allegedly spouting bs off r/T_D and /pol/

 

Anyone who is willing to take the fight to HRC and not bend over and get assfucked like Romney is a great person to me. Trump has done enough to take care of people in his past, despite what I see as stupid publicity stunts and womanizing. Newflash jabroni, Heros can have flaws. 

 

I'm sorry I don't take these two-bit rape allegations srsly when this is a thing

 

 

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

Democrats prepared fake Trump "grope under the meeting table" Craigslist employment advertisement in May 2016

 

 

Statement from the cousin of one of Trump's accusers 

 

 

 

And here is statement from the accuser herself. Really sounds like Trump raped her doesn't it? He denied her a job. She's pissed.

 

Jesse you may have taken your 30 pieces of silver, but I won't. I love my country too much to sink to your levels

[Dad]

First and only warning to the both of you.  Keep the personal attacks and flaming down.  I won't ask twice.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

In other words, this is funking amazing

[Aerion Brightflame]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defended-leeds_us_58014fe2e4b06e047594fa91 - Yes I know it's Huff Post, but all the things they talk about can be independently verified. 

 

Anthony Gilberthorpe, the witness Trump has brought forth to attempt to prove his innocence on the Jessica Leeds acusation has a history of lying when it comes to storys of sex. In 2014, the man lied about providing children for sex parties of members of Parliament some as young as 15. To my knowledge none of these claims were ever verified for lack of evidence. Well either he lied or he's scum. Similarly in this case, he's not actually provided any evidence relying entirely in his word to prove something that he saw two relative strangers doing about 34 years ago when he was 18. So he's not exactly the best way to disprove this sort of thing, and he makes a frankly terrible character witness. 

 

Now, maybe some of the say half a dozen women who've come forwards currently is lying about the sexual assault. Maybe, it's always possible as we well know. But there's not evidence to disprove them all. There won't be evidence to disprove them all. And whilst Trump can't be charged unless someone can prove some of these (Which will be hard given a lack of physical evidence), his campaign and reputation will still suffer if he can't disprove all of them individually. 

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lied-donating-9-11-charities-article-1.2829908

 

If we want to talk about Trump's rep as being 'for the people' and 'for small buisnesses', I know this a low blow but the man actually found a way to profit from 9/11. He took some 150,000 from the fund set up to help small buisnesses affected by the attacks (So 400 or less employees in a 1 mile radius who suffered some physical or economic damage as a result of the attack). His claim for such was that his building 'housed people and equipment for months' but the article has witnesses who suggest this was not the case in reality. So make of it what you will.

 

Additionally, there is evidence suggesting Trump gave nothing to any 9/11 charity with the 12 months of the attack. Despite pledging some 10,000 (Or 0.001% of his net worth assuming he is a billionare for reference), audits of the records of the Twin Towers Fund and the NYC Public Private Initiative, the two largest 9/11 charities (As well as looking at the public records of the Trump Foundation between then and 2014) show no sign of any donation from Mr Trump of any size in the 12 months following the attack. Ivanka did host a fund raiser in that time, but there's still no record of Trump himself doing anything. The only sizeable donation Trump has made it appears occurred this April, from his foundation (Which as we know Trump hasn't given too in years) tothe 9/11 Museum. This donation came shortly after Ted Cruz doubted Trump's New York Values, so one could argue it was made solely for political points rather than desire to help. 

 

 

Now I don't care about 9/11, but I figure some do and that this is again one of those things that speak to his character. That even in arguably America's lowest time he couldn't give even a tiny amount of his own wealth to help. I acknowledge it's a low blow, but he is the man who choose not to help as it seems. The only way he could verify if he actually gave in that time frame would be his Tax Returns, so we know that won't be happening (Because again he's the first candidate since Ford not to release them). 

[cr47t]

Trump has never claimed to be the green promoting president. Climate change IS a Russian and Chinese hoax, for once HRC spoke the truth. People were telling us NYC and FL would be underwater by now, news flash, they're not. Stop underestimating the Earth. Yes carbon is bad, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Us killing our economy for the sake of pandering to that illusion is terrible for the US.

Well, they got a detail about climate change's effects wrong. But that does not make the entire thing a hoax. Stop grossly oversimplifying.

 

Whatever happens on Nov. 8, life will go on. Our political system and the three branches of government mean that we can expect a significant degree of stability immediately after a major transition of government. Avoid catastrophizing, and maintain a balanced perspective.

 

(1)Uh, there's democratic senators now saying she's told them she'll use EO to kill 2A. Obama is implicated. (2)MSM is running a gobbels type propaganda machine. (3)DNC is putting out ads for fake rape victims to create an opening for muckracking. Don't tell me that life will go on. That much is obv. The standard of life we lead here needs to change. 

 

(4)They're threatening war with Russia, Russian's military is mobilizing. (5)India signed on with a pseudo military organization consisting of China and Russia. (6)India increased it's tritium extraction program and a good portion is going to Russia. (7)Gorbeshev says the world has never been closer to war.

 

1. Source,

2. Well, what news specifically falls under MSM? All the major news networks? Just some? And you need some evidence if you wanna push a conspiracy like that.

3 through 7. Sources please, for at least 1 of these.

 

 

And that 3 branches excuse is bullshit. GOP = Dems. They're both warhawk globalists salivating to whore out America

 

How about the name Repuiblicrats? I found about that name from an NPR thing btw

 

 

Since the criteria for assault is now bullshit, ya know, you need no witness or such. Lets get this man on CNN

 

 

 

 We don't know if this is legit. Yeah, it is possible for both genders to be a victim, but remember, this is the internet. You have to be careful.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Climate change IS a Russian and Chinese hoax

 

I'll take "sheet I only expect to be said ironically" for 500.

 

You do realize these predictions you refer to weren't scientifically made, right? They were an ABC special, not a university study. Not to mention that they really do nothing to invalidate the very real issue.

 

Climate change and the threat it presents are irrefutable, unless you just assume everything you disagree with is false.

[Fusion X. Denver]

I had a crazy thought that Trump was engaging in self-sabotage and didn't really want to win. Not to the extent that South Park made it out to be but I wouldn't be surprised if he feels relief over not getting the job. Or maybe his ego really is that big and he is still trying to win despite all the ridiculousness.

Either way, I'm pretty sure he's done for now after all this stuff with him and women is coming out.

[Sunshine Jesse]

First and only warning to the both of you.  Keep the personal attacks and flaming down.  I won't ask twice.

*deep exhale*

 

Alright. I'll stop.

 

I get triggered far too hard by the fact that Trump has any support to engage in any reasonable political discourse over it. It's the most baffling and unbelievable thing to me and I'm terrified at the prospect of a Trump presidency (as unlikely as it may be at this point).

 

It gets me way too heated. I need to chill the funk out.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Hillary Clinton: "I want to defend fracking." Climate change environmentalists should "Get a life," #PodestaEmails8

 

It's like you refuse to read what I wrote @giga and Jesse, it is real, just not as pressing as people make it out to be. I'll need to say it again I guess. Instead of bringing our carbon emission levels down now (basically going from a positive value to a smaller positive value). We should exploit fracking and other energy forms to boost our economy so we can make the use of CDR more widespread. I'm playing the long game instead of flipping out about everything in the middle

 

 

Well, they got a detail about climate change's effects wrong. But that does not make the entire thing a hoax. Stop grossly oversimplifying.
 

 
1. Source,
2. Well, what news specifically falls under MSM? All the major news networks? Just some? And you need some evidence if you wanna push a conspiracy like that.
3 through 7. Sources please, for at least 1 of these.
 
 

 
How about the name Repuiblicrats? I found about that name from an NPR thing btw
 
 

 We don't know if this is legit. Yeah, it i

 

s possible for both genders to be a victim, but remember, this is the internet. You have to be careful.

0) The scare stories ARE a hoax. That's the entire point. Anyone with half a brain realizes if you fill a bottle up with water and pump in CO2, the bottle will heat a lot faster with CO2 there. That's common sense physics. I'm not disagreeing with the thermodynamics of the matter, but rather the kinetics 

 

1) 

 

2) Sen Feingold

 

3) MSM? ABC, CNN, NBC, CBS, and any news papers owned by those people. NYT, WSJ, WAPO

 

 

Does this work?

 

5) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/07/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad-says-estonia

 

6) http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indias-sco-membership-will-help-protect-the-region-pm-modi-2873888/

 

7) http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2016-10-13/local-news/University-of-Malta-researchers-contribute-toward-world-s-largest-nuclear-fusion-reactor-6736165146

 

8) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11218459/Mikhail-Gorbachev-warns-the-world-is-on-the-brink-of-a-new-Cold-War.html

 

 

 

 

9) Doesn't matter. They're both destroying my country and both need to be taken outback and shot

 

10)  It's not, it's being snarky to highlight how stupid these fake allegations are. And guess what, NYT took down the rape story, it's good they also set real rape victims back 10 years for their stupid political agenda 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I had a crazy thought that Trump was engaging in self-sabotage and didn't really want to win. Not to the extent that South Park made it out to be but I wouldn't be surprised if he feels relief over not getting the job. Or maybe his ego really is that big and he is still trying to win despite all the ridiculousness.

Either way, I'm pretty sure he's done for now after all this stuff with him and women is coming out.

Is this the same women who's story just got debunked by her own emails to Trump? Or the one who's story the NYT just pulled. 

 

OH GOP chair conspiring against Trump doesn't shock me in the slightest, after those internal polls they'll throw everything and the kitchen sink at him to stop him

 

 

@Crt Took me a while to find this one

 

Democrats prepared fake Trump "grope under the meeting table" Craigslist employment advertisement in May 2016

 

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

 

First and only warning to the both of you.  Keep the personal attacks and flaming down.  I won't ask twice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

 

 

Its an actual term though. But fine.

 

One more down

[Tourmaline]

*deep exhale*

 

Alright. I'll stop.

 

I get triggered far too hard by the fact that Trump has any support to engage in any reasonable political discourse over it. It's the most baffling and unbelievable thing to me and I'm terrified at the prospect of a Trump presidency (as unlikely as it may be at this point).

 

It gets me way too heated. I need to chill the funk out.

Not half as baffling at western and social values decaying so much that millions of people think Hillary Clinton can ever be considered an actual presidential candidate in the first place.

 

And more so that millions are so zealous and voluntarily, consciously work toward the death of their country and its integrity. It's even worse than electing Trudeau but at least he's not hurting my feelings for being transsexual right.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

 

Honestly the most important Wikileak IMO

[Sunshine Jesse]

Not half as baffling at western and social values decaying so much that millions of people think Hillary Clinton can ever be considered an actual presidential candidate in the first place.

 

And more so that millions are so zealous and voluntarily, consciously work toward the death of their country and its integrity. It's even worse than electing Trudeau but at least he's not hurting my feelings for being transsexual right.

No, it's perfectly understandable. Plenty of obviously-awful and corrupt presidential candidates were elected solely due to how bad the opposition was.

 

Examples:

Bush.

Grant.

Nixon had a shady record before the Watergate scandal and was re-elected.

 

Hell, some are viewed as good presidents despite obvious corruption and scandals, such as Ronald Reagan, whose administration is arguably responsible for everything bad that has happened to America since then.

 

The lesser of two evils is how American politics has always worked. There is no decay. It doesn't reflect poorly on us at all, especially when the alternative is an equally-corrupt homunculus who says awful things on a regular basis.

 

The primaries are what reflected poorly on us. We could've had Bernie Sanders up against... uh... who's the closest thing to a not-awful Republican...

Rand Paul?

 

I'll go with Rand Paul. Even a pseudo-libertarian's views line up at least 30% with my own.

 

We could've had Rand Paul against Bernie Sanders.

 

Instead we picked two Batman supervillains.

 

funk.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It's fun to notice that the fall back for almost every Trump supporter is "You only dislike him because he says mean things". Grow up, there's plenty of other reasons that have been given. And "says mean things" is a horrible oversimplification when it comes to a presidential candidate.

Seriously no matter where this debate goes I keep seeing it come back to this.

[Sunshine Jesse]

It's fun to notice that the fall back for almost every Trump supporter is "You only dislike him because he says mean things". Grow up, there's plenty of other reasons that have been given. And "says mean things" is a horrible oversimplification when it comes to a presidential candidate.

Seriously no matter where this debate goes I keep seeing it come back to this.

That's the whole reason a lot of people believe Hillary is worse than him.

 

He's created a bubble of denial around his awful actions using his awful words.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's more the fact that all of are willing to accept he's an jabroni

 

I see no way to work around the fact that HRC willingly aided ISIS and wants me to pay for randos to have abortions. I can't square with that and I have to everything in my power to stop her

That's the whole reason a lot of people believe Hillary is worse than him.

 

He's created a bubble of denial around his awful actions using his awful words.

No, we believe she's worse because of her actions. You need to stop speaking for people you barely understand

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It's more the fact that all of are willing to accept he's an jabroni

 

I see no way to work around the fact that HRC willingly aided ISIS and wants me to pay for randos to have abortions. I can't square with that and I have to everything in my power to stop her

No, we believe she's worse because of her actions. You need to stop speaking for people you barely understand

And yet you constantly put words in Hilary supporters (or more to the point, those who don't support Trump) mouths

Like saying that those against him just don't like his "mean words"

Which you've said many times.

 

I can abide a lot of crap but hypocrisy really ticks me off

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And yet you constantly put words in Hilary supporters (or more to the point, those who don't support Trump) mouths

Like saying that those against him just don't like his "mean words"

Which you've said many times.

 

I can abide a lot of crap but hypocrisy really ticks me off

What? Y'all HAVE called him out on his jabroni nature. 

[Francis Urquhart]

Now, I would just like to weigh in my opinion on all of this, as a candidate myself. Mr. Trump, on paper, seems to have the right idea. Run a government like a business. It's worked well a few times, such as in Tennessee, where the governor, Jim Haslam, was the President of the Pilot Corporation until becoming elected as Mayor of Knoxville and then going on to become the current governor. And in my opinion, things in Tennessee have turned around since Haslam took office. But Trump is not a successful businessman. Most of his ventures have been run into the ground, are under government investigation for one reason or another, or both. And he has contradicted himself multiple times on what he plans on doing once he enters the Oval Office. He knows how to work a reality TV show, a mere popularity contest, and he is under the impression that our elections are no different. Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, has a long career in politics, and is the wife of a former President, yet said career has been a storied and tumultuous one, and rife with sketchy and morally questionable decisions, such as that whole Benghazi affair. She seems to be trying to provoke Trump into attacking her, which is admittedly working, and turn his own rabid fanbase against him while skirting around the various issues heaped upon her own plate. Yet I have a different approach. I plan to be honest. No backing down on promises. No skating around touchy subjects. I am going to be forward and up-front with you, the American people, because that is what you deserve.