[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

People don't support a candidate they are opposed to. You don't do it, we don't do it. It just isn't a thing that happens.

Intriguing, I guess we all know that there was a pretty large partisan double standard going on here. 

 

Which leads to the question why people like Brightfire and Roxas who have said they cannot stand either never mentioned it.

 

Either a premise is false, or the conclusion is here

 

Either way, both HRC and Obama do deserve credit for slowly becoming more pro-lgbt 2008 onward. I still have my misgivings about HRC taking saudi money for her foundation though. Needless to say, refusing to make a cake, isn't equal to public execution for entertainment before the inevitable false equivalency between Whabbism and RFRA coms up 

[Phantom Roxas]

Which leads to the question why people like Brightfire and Roxas who have said they cannot stand either never mentioned it.

 

Because I've either said something already in this thread and my particular points haven't been relevant since, or if I didn't, it's because I just didn't really have a reason to bring it up. I do believe that Clinton was anti-LGBT until, what, 2013? Basically when it started being more convenient for her. So I don't have much faith in her positions of the LGBT community, and I hadn't brought up Mike Pence signing the law because I was just not aware of it.

[Wizarus]

I wouldnt say Clinton was anti LGBT, but yeah, she definately didnt push the issue until it was convenient to do so.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

FL absentees Rs 42% Ds 37.9% Rs win absentees in 2012 by 79,000 Today's lead=118,000+ RETURNS: Rs 48% Ds 31% Is 21%

 

Key battleground Hillsborough Co: In 2012 Ds led absentees by 20,000 Today: D+2,500 Ds way underperforming in key county Rs over performing

 

But I think I've said before, Trump has an electoral problem

 

FL+OH+NC+IA+NV+Romney=266 EV

 

4 short

 

He needs to break 

 

Either PA, VA, WI, NH, or CO

 

VA is out IMO. Philly and White Women will deliver PA despite Trump stealing massive amounts of Dems in 

 

Or Johnson needs to steal enough votes in NM, he's currently getting 23% and Clinton is leading Trump by 3, Johnson getting to 27ish would turn it Red

 

Maine won't do it, even if Trump's lead in the 2nd District wins him the state, Hillary will vote split from Portland and get 1 ev winning 270 to 268

 

That being said, as an Iowan, if Trump is really up 8 in IA, Wisc is demographically similar enough that it's a doable lift. Ryan and Walker campaigning might help

[Sunshine Jesse]

Pence won the debate when he didn't have to defend Trump's word. Making a case to be the Republican nominee in 2020, that's for sure. Mind, he lied out of his ass, but he presented his falsehoods in such a way that made him seem intelligent.

 

But he also threw Trump under the bus and did a really poor job defending him. It was kinda funny- wouldn't be surprised if Trump is pissed at him for that.

 

Kaine was ass but did a really good job of putting Trump's vices on the spotlight, so good on him. I wouldn't want him to be president but VP seems like a good role for him.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Jesse, I hope you realize that first line was basically a copypasta from the Clinton Fundraising Email last night (why they're still sending me emails is beyond me)

 

Good, Trump has said some terrible things that no sane human should defend. Pence defended the defendable Trump positions, which you would realize were quite a few last night

 

All kaine managed was "but Trump's tax returns" he got BTFO'd by everyone and lost a +15 Dem sampled CNN poll, he got destroyed.

 

~~~ 

 

Trump is getting a historic amount of LGBT support, some of us are done dick-riding the dems who want to import people who want us massacred

 

At the end of the day, I'd rather the WBC call me a jabroni, and someone politely refuse to make me a cake than import animals who'd like to see me stoned for shitz and giggles 

 

 

Where were you when Mike Pence got Trump the LGBT vote? :#

 

Edit

 

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/clinton-harvey-memo.pdf

 

All scripted :)

[Sunshine Jesse]

Jesse, I hope you realize that first line was basically a copypasta from the Clinton Fundraising Email last night (why they're still sending me emails is beyond me)

I guess that means I agree with them.

 

God forbid I agree with the party I support.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I guess that means I agree with them.

 

God forbid I agree with the party I support.

Nah, just saying it's a prefect shill move

 

You won't see me copying fundraising lines from Trump ever, that kinda language "MAGA" sounds nice but means all of jackshit. There's not substance. There should be a higher level of discourse than talking pts

 

Then again, the DNC did say it's supporters would blindly follow no matter what they did...so shocker I guess

 

As someone who seemed like an intelligent person, you missed some pretty obv flaws in pence's performance and instead went for a soundbite, that's probs the most depressing part

 

Like for example, Kaine was right, Pence and Trump both praised Putin in the past, now Pence moves to a "Putin is a thug" stance. The proper attack instead of "OHHH PENCE IS RUNNING IN 2020 $HILLARY GOT THIS" would be questioning Pence's convictions if he can so easily change from praising a guy to calling him a thug

 

The Right-wing counterpush should be that Pence called him brutal but effective as a leader (relative to barry). And that they're not mutually exclusive, but it's a weak pushback. If Hillary loses it'll be because she's pathetic at capitalizing on moments and her followers are little more than sheep

[Sunshine Jesse]

Nah, just saying it's a prefect shill move

 

You won't see me copying fundraising lines from Trump ever, that kinda language "MAGA" sounds nice but means all of jackshit. There's not substance. There should be a higher level of discourse than talking pts

 

Then again, the DNC did say it's supporters would blindly follow no matter what they did...so shocker I guess

 

As someone who seemed like an intelligent person, you missed some pretty obv flaws in pence's performance and instead went for a soundbite, that's probs the most depressing part

 

Like for example, Kaine was right, Pence and Trump both praised Putin in the past, now Pence moves to a "Putin is a thug" stance. The proper attack instead of "OHHH PENCE IS RUNNING IN 2020 $HILLARY GOT THIS" would be questioning Pence's convictions if he can so easily change from praising a guy to calling him a thug

 

The Right-wing counterpush should be that Pence called him brutal but effective as a leader (relative to barry). And that they're not mutually exclusive, but it's a weak pushback. If Hillary loses it'll be because she's pathetic at capitalizing on moments and her followers are little more than sheep

???

 

I didn't copy anything. They just happened to say the same things I thought, apparently.

 

Why would I analyze what all Pence said? I'm just looking at it on a surface level because I don't care enough about either of them to look at it deeply enough outside of fact checking their statements to confirm my own admitted biases. I never claimed that I was doing anything other than shallow, surface-level analysis.

 

Why am I shill just because I support Hillary and think similar things to her campaign? She hasn't done anything that I don't assume all politicians do by default. I never expected her to be a good person, I simply agree with a lot of her policies, and her actual voting record considerably lines up with what I want, or at least shows an actual interest in working toward policies that I want to happen.

 

If anything, you're the shill, because you've done almost nothing to support Trump without shitting on Hillary by comparing him to her. You constantly talk about how Trump "isn't perfect" and has said "terrible" things, but can never resist an opportunity to defend what he's actually done, and at last half of the time, it's not even defending him- it's just showing something Hillary did that you believe is worse. You try to appear somewhat neutral, but you're clearly just a Hillary hater who feels betrayed and upset over the unrealistic expectations you set for her.

 

And you're bad at shilling, too, because literally nobody here buys your bullshit. You won't convince any undecideds, either, because every time you say something pro-Trump or link to some bullshit conspiracy theory, you're called out on it, and anyone with half a brain can see that your defenses of what he does are shallow and desperate.

 

I bet that the only reason Hillary is even seen as just as bad as Trump by some people is because her supporters can actually admit her flaws.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

>Undecideds on YCM

 

I'll take that bet though

[Tourmaline]

Kaine was a petulant joke. It was literally like watching CowCow get angry in a status update.

 

In terms of this election, I'm completely pro-Trump. It's actually not a 1v1 because she shouldn't exist in the first place. I want him to win for my own sake anyway. The vice president one was a stomp though. Pence is way more charismatic than his opponent.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

>Undecideds on YCM

 

I'll take that bet though

Funnily enough I still am undecided who I'm going to vote for.

[Aerion Brightflame]

It does look like Kaine was be an arsehole for a reason. Namely to pull soundbites from Pence, and to paint Trump as a hypocrite. He constantly interrupts like a child because Trump and Pence can't call him out on it without looking bad, and it keeps Hillary clean. He gets Pence to deny things Trump has said so they can just run an ad showing Pence lying about it. 

 

Essentially Kaine did all the super obvious bully sheet that Hillary can't do because she's already got a shaky reputation with the public and she'd lose if she got dragged to Trumps level. Obviously it makes Pence look good in comparison (Because unless he's completely incompetant it's not that hard to look like a better leader than what Kaine did). If very lucky, they play Trump and Pence against each other due to Trump being fairly childish. 

 

So whilst Kaine did perform worse, I think the Hillary campaign is fine with it because they got most of what they wanted from the debate (Assuming my idea is right). And it's all stuff Trump can't cleanly try and call her out on, whereas Hillary can still call out the insane things Mike Pence has done or believe in. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/donald-trump-neo-nazi-rally/

 

 

Happy this happened. Little shocked it got coverage

 

 

???

 

I didn't copy anything. They just happened to say the same things I thought, apparently.

 

Why would I analyze what all Pence said? I'm just looking at it on a surface level because I don't care enough about either of them to look at it deeply enough outside of fact checking their statements to confirm my own admitted biases. I never claimed that I was doing anything other than shallow, surface-level analysis.

 

Why am I shill just because I support Hillary and think similar things to her campaign? She hasn't done anything that I don't assume all politicians do by default. I never expected her to be a good person, I simply agree with a lot of her policies, and her actual voting record considerably lines up with what I want, or at least shows an actual interest in working toward policies that I want to happen.

 

If anything, you're the shill, because you've done almost nothing to support Trump without shitting on Hillary by comparing him to her. You constantly talk about how Trump "isn't perfect" and has said "terrible" things, but can never resist an opportunity to defend what he's actually done, and at last half of the time, it's not even defending him- it's just showing something Hillary did that you believe is worse. You try to appear somewhat neutral, but you're clearly just a Hillary hater who feels betrayed and upset over the unrealistic expectations you set for her.

 

And you're bad at shilling, too, because literally nobody here buys your bullshit. You won't convince any undecideds, either, because every time you say something pro-Trump or link to some bullshit conspiracy theory, you're called out on it, and anyone with half a brain can see that your defenses of what he does are shallow and desperate.

 

I bet that the only reason Hillary is even seen as just as bad as Trump by some people is because her supporters can actually admit her flaws.

No, think you're being a shill because that was basically the narrative that CNN was pushing out all of last night, and basically word for word what HRC's fundraising emails said. It seems implausible you weren't influenced, but certainly not impossible. If you independently came to that conclusion, it shows that you line up with HRC's target demographic, and I'm happy you found someone you can vote for. 

 

About the analyzing, it's not wrong per se, but it's unfortunate that you considered it mostly just a confirmation bias exercise, that's what promotes voting monolith ideology that we see in this country. You're part of the problem if you don't hold all the candidate's feet to the fire to extract the desired results. They should earn our vote. Which maybe HRC has for you.

 

Fair. Then your choice is clear.

 

P4 is however false, I didn't defend Trump during his Judge situation. And I certainly made it clear I didn't approve of how he treated Miss. Universe. I've also made it quite clear his position on the death penalty is disgusting in my eyes. 

 

You claim I defend him on ever turn, but that might be because it seems like the point of this thread is for 5-6 of you guys to put out hit stories on Trump daily. Some of those are valid, others, like you accused me of doing to HRC, are conspiracy theories.

 

Now you mentioned the "But Hillary" argument. Trump is far from perfect, but I've got 4 options this election? Would I like a more polite messenger who espouses Trumpism the ideology? Sure. But I don't have that luxury, just as you clearly don't have someone liberal enough for your liking, but HRC is the best fit. I feel Trump is better relative to Hillary on most points, so I make that argument as to why I'm voting for him. I refuse to make the argument Trump is perfect because I don't believe that. Not even close.

 

"Hillary haters" don't vote for Hillary. My standards weren't unrealistic, and I'd actually vote for March Hillary over October Trump. I don't want her to 1) Keep padding her Foundation with money that shouldn't go to it, and then dole out federal and international positions 2) I don't want her to use my tax payer money to fund abortion, something I personally cannot stand. If it must be legal, don't make me support it, which is what repealing the hyde amendment would do 3) Don't attempt regime changes and engage in cold war politics 4) Please please please don't be so liberal on Obamacare and Immigration, we've already seen the damage those two are doing right now.

 

If anything, I resent that I was not born in a time where I could have voted for Bill Clinton, because Bill's policies were ones that were in lockstep with mine basically. I'm not sure what's so unreasonable in what I ask for.

 

Sure, I'm an abrasive jabroni. But aren't you just as out of touch with the American people as you accuse (maybe rightfully) of me? 

 

 

Funnily enough I still am undecided who I'm going to vote for.

Swear I thought you were gonna vote Stein...but I hope you make an informed decision 

 

 

LA TIMES is notoriously twisted. They have a terrible algorithm and they use the same 3000~ people every cycle. Not to mention they've already been busted for shady journalism. So nah, you can keep it.

 

And the emails. Again? Really? They already said she can't go away for them because of lack of criminal intent.

 

 

This was them using the same methodology in 2012

 

I'll take my chances

 

 

@jesse

 

You call it conspiracy. I call things like this deeply troubling

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115

[Phantom Roxas]

This is utterly despicable. Trump is completely unsympathetic to people who are terminally ill.

 

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-reaches-new-low-insults-the-terminally-ill/26213/

 

I'd also recommend watching the video from BBC.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37568235

 

There is nothing Trump is saying to offer a way for the terminally ill to get treatment. Nothing to give them hope that he will help them recover. "Get out and vote. And then, all we're going to say is we love you and we will remember you always." Let me put that another way: "Vote for me, and then you can die." That is the extent of how much Trump cares about his people. He outright says he does not care if someone is told they will die soon. Their lives are only good to him as long as they can vote for him. Once the election is over, I seriously doubt he would care whether or not those people died.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

:') Roxas, bless your heart

 

Anyway new leaked emails show HRC cooordinating with WH, Clinton Foundation and avowed non-partisan John Oliver lol

 

Also Planned Parenthood Running ads to support Hillary. It's good to know my tax dollars are going to a cause I'd approve of

[Sunshine Jesse]

More talking out of your ass, I see.

 

1. Breitbart isn't a real source.

2. It didn't even provide the documents nor did it source any place to find them. It only linked to the WSJ article that claimed this. This functions as further proof of #1.

 

The only source I can find to the John Oliver part is infowars and various associated sites, which is commonly known to falsify...

...

everything.

 

That, and Alex Jones is currently sucking off Trump any chance he can get.

 

1/10, try harder.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I don't even know what you're talking about at this pt Jesse

 

I didn't link Breitbart, I don't watch/listen to Alex Jones

 

http://i.imgur.com/D9ITuRE.jpg This one? It's called google love, use it every once in a while. The DC leaks are public information. I get that you've made clear you're not interested in being objective, and that's fine. But try not to heap your libel on me

 

More intriguing wikileaks

 

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=Seth+Rich&mfrom=&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=0#searchresult

 

this one says the Saudis think they can get help from ISIS, Russia is being aided by Iran in Syria, and that they want to fund Hezbollah in Lebanon Legit

 

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

 

*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY*

 

But we all knew that much about her

 

On the other hand

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

 

Trump tried to funk a chick

 

[Sunshine Jesse]

Breitbart and Infowars are the only place I could actually find this news, as well as a handful of sites I never heard of. I'll read over the new emails at some point- I didn't know they were actually out.

[Phantom Roxas]

:') Roxas, bless your heart

Pffft, now you're not even trying to deny that Trump doesn't care about people's lives.

[Sunshine Jesse]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

 

This should be good. I'm sure this alone will prove the narrative that Hillary is evil and just wants to sell out America, given they are private speeches that were not supposed to be released. They should show the side of her that she truly wants to keep hidden. Let's analyze.

 

And I am not taking a position on any policy, but I do think there is a growing sense of anxiety and even anger in the country over the feeling that the game is rigged.

 

And now, obviously, I'm kind of far removed because the life I've lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy, but I haven't forgotten it.

 

Jesus Christ, she admits she's out of touch, but shows like she seeks to empathize with the middle-class. How heinous. Everyone knows the middle-class doesn't represent the interests of the common man.

 

 

That was one of the reasons that I started traveling in February of '09, so people could, you know, literally yell at me for the United States and our banking system causing this everywhere.

 

Empathy and reaching out to the people? God almighty, why would we want someone like that for president?

 

I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be.

And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are.

So even if it may not be 100 percent true, if the perception is that somehow the game is rigged, that should be a problem for all of us, and we have to be willing to make that absolutely clear. And if there are issues, if there's wrongdoing, people have to be held accountable and we have to try to deter future bad behavior, because the public trust is at the core of both a free market economy and a democracy.

“When I was a Senator from New York, I represented and worked with so many talented principled people who made their living in finance. But even thought I represented them and did all I could to make sure they continued to prosper, I called for closing the carried interest loophole and addressing skyrocketing CEO pay. I also was calling in '06, '07 for doing something about the mortgage crisis, because I saw every day from Wall Street literally to main streets across New York how a well-functioning financial system is essential."

So, you know, the Simpson-Bowles framework and the big elements of it were right. The specifics can be negotiated and argued over. But you got to do all three. You have to restrain spending, you have to have adequate revenues, and you have to have growth. And I think we are smart enough to figure out how to do that.

 

How terrible. She must be stopped. So corrupt. So unreasonable. So sellout. Wow.

 

And I think our relationship will get deeper and stronger and put us in a position to really be global leaders in energy and climate change if we worked more closely together. And that's what I would like to see us do.

 

My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.

 

There is so much more we can do, there is a lot of low hanging fruit but businesses on both sides have to make it a priority and it's not for governments to do but governments can either make it easy or make it hard and we have to resist, protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade and I would like to see this get much more attention and be not just a policy for a year under president X or president Y but a consistent one.

 

Wow, she actually tries to justify her positions on trade based on principles and honest (if misguided) beliefs instead of supporting things like NAFTA just to suck off corporate interests. That's just awful and unreasonable.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

We both know you're cherry picking there, but I've said it before and I'll say it again, Twitter does a better job at dissecting these things than either the MSM or partisan supporters. Now I could talk about all the times where there has been direct connection between reporters and the HRC campaign in those emails.

 

But how about for a change of topic from all this pro-Trump we talk about Trump's WAPO story of him talking about grabbing pussy

[Sunshine Jesse]

nah bro you ain't getting out of this. Show me a number of incriminating things in that email equal to the amount of positive things within that I posted. I'll wait. Maybe I misread something. We already know that Trump is an awful, sexist jabroni.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuM1ieqW8AABc17.jpg:largeThis one is intriguing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuM2d1yW8AAJAoF.jpgor that one

 

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/447

 

Since you care so much about global warming, how about that one

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuMhLCHWIAAx6FD.jpg

 

Or a little more play for play

[Sunshine Jesse]

Yes, they did Sanders dirt. I won't deny that. The second one? Not only does it hold some truth to it, but the actual contents of the message aren't incriminating at all.