[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[cr47t]

No, I agree, he needs to go high when they go low. Having Ms. Wisconsin speak positively about him was honestly stronger than using the tape.

 

Esquire sent a reporter down to the border and near unanimously people supported a wall. Hispanics more than whites actually. Trump just needs to show compassion. His idea isn't wrong

 

Also recent video of HRC laughing at bernie supporters and calling them deluded (about free College) Inthink came up. Why people do stupid things like this is baffling

Winter, if you're going to say something as a fact then provide factual evidence for it. For example in these cases you can post/hotlink the video or post a link to the Esquire report. If you're going to just say these things with nothing to back them out, it usually doesn't come off as much in the broader discussion except speculation, and usually it's not substantial enough to be useful in the discussion.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Winter, if you're going to say something as a fact then provide factual evidence for it. For example in these cases you can post/hotlink the video or post a link to the Esquire report. If you're going to just say these things with nothing to back them out, it usually doesn't come off as much in the broader discussion except speculation, and usually it's not substantial enough to be useful in the discussion.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997

 

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/many-residents-along-border-support-trump-s-wall-699742787881

 

It's old, but just the latest in "Trumpism works, Trump doesn't" series

[Dad]

Clinton and her monkeys have been ripping Sanders and his supporters since he became her opponent. Why are we harking on year old news?

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

So what I'm hearing from the recent posts is...Did one of our potential future presidents put someone's "sex tape" on Twitter?
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Even if it's fake just the idea of someone trying to run our country putting something like that out there is just weird

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So what I'm hearing from the recent posts is...Did one of our potential future presidents put someone's "sex tape" on Twitter?

gdi

Even if it's fake just the idea of someone trying to run our country putting something like that out there is just weird

No, he said, she had a sex tape and a potential criminal background, and he was mocking HRC for not vetting her

 

Radar Online reported that in 2005, Machado was a contestant on a show called La Granja VIP, which put celebrities together to work on a farm. During the show, Machado hooked up with a co-star on camera, the report noted.

“On one episode, Machado and costar Fernando Acaso were caught having sex on camera, PeopleenEspanol.com reported. According to reports, 

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[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Oh okay so it's more being petty than anything.

Sorry for not fully looking into things, just got back from work and tired af

[Dad]

So why should someone stop having sex because you decide to film them? How bout stop filming. That ain't a sex tape, that's just stupid.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Whilst I know it's not the most highbrow of points, given that 'shady donations involving your charity' has been a talking point I figured this was a fun one: 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/30/donald-trump-charity-gave-to-jenny-mccarthy-s-anti-vaxx-crusade.html

 

Trump's Foundation made a donation to the anti-vax movement. On top of Trump tweeting a lot of s*** in favour of the anti-vax movement a few years back. And even when relaxing his position he still insists on the false viewpoint that vacinees cause autism. 

 

It's not been a good couple of days for Mr Trump it must be said. 

 

EDIT: I don't think it's an especially great source because it doesn't give the records implicitly, but the tweets supporting the viewpoint are there so there is at least one element of insanity to discuss. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Whilst I know it's not the most highbrow of points, given that 'shady donations involving your charity' has been a talking point I figured this was a fun one: 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/30/donald-trump-charity-gave-to-jenny-mccarthy-s-anti-vaxx-crusade.html 

 

Trump's Foundation made a donation to the anti-vax movement. On top of Trump tweeting a lot of s*** in favour of the anti-vax movement a few years back. And even when relaxing his position he still insists on the false viewpoint that vacinees cause autism. 

 

It's not been a good couple of days for Mr Trump it must be said. 

 

EDIT: I don't think it's an especially great source because it doesn't give the records implicitly, but the tweets supporting the viewpoint are there so there is at least one element of insanity to discuss. 

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That being said, yes, that's an understatement, it's been an ABYSMAL couple of days for Mr. Trump

[Aerion Brightflame]

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That being said, yes, that's an understatement, it's been an ABYSMAL couple of days for Mr. Trump

 

Weird link didn't work. I think I've fixed it now, but I covered the jist of it in my comments anyway. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Weird link didn't work. I think I've fixed it now, but I covered the jist of it in my comments anyway. 

As with everything else, Trump's position on Vaccines is in a quantum state, in 2014 he made an asinine tweet trying to link Autism to Vaccines, in 2015 during the 2nd presidential debate

 

"Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control. I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time"

 

Tell you what though, for the second debate, you can pose your own questions for the candidates 

 

https://presidentialopenquestions.com/?source=e160929_1503-votersubmitter

 

so go ahead

[Phantom Roxas]

Oh okay so it's more being petty than anything.

Sorry for not fully looking into things, just got back from work and tired af

If you want to see his tweet in full context, here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/781788223055994880

 

Elizabeth Warren made some pretty good responses. Read from the bottom to the top, though I think these got deleted.

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If you want to see his tweet in full context, here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/781788223055994880

 

Elizabeth Warren made some pretty good responses. Read from the bottom to the top, though I think these got deleted.

 

Would have been a stronger attack if 

 

1) Trump didn't put his rebuttal turning it on Benghazi out hours before

 

 

2) If HRC didn't decide that going on a twitter rant of her own at 3 am today (or rather yesterday) was a good idea

 

But seriously, I agree, Trump needs to move on past Miss Universe and get on with hammering HRC on trade, that's what's gonna win him the election

[Aerion Brightflame]

So... We have a sample of Donald Trump's 1995 Tax returns:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

He declared a 900 million dollar loss. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?_r=0

 

It is thought that this loss was so substatial that it may have allowed him to avoid paying some 50 million dollars a year in income tax for 18 years owing to Net Operating Loss. The article then talks about the dire state of the Trump financial empire in the early 90's where he was regularly expierincing losses of the 10's of millions within multiple casinos that he owned. Even how he owed some 3.4 billion in debt. 

 

Now of course, the article does say that what Trump did was legal, but it doesn't make it any better for the average Joe to look at say. Which is why I imagine he's not released all of his returns - It looks frankly terrible if he is not paying Taxes even if it's for a legitimate reason. 

 

I must also say: Jesus Christ the New York Times isn't holding back this year. They've had so many fantastic articles in the past few weeks. 

 

EDIT: Oh and that period of gigantic losses for Trump was in 95. The single most prosperous year of the US economy since 88 (The S&P increased by 37%, the same percentage that the economy dropped in 2008)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The reason this is brilliant, is that Trump likely leaked the documents himself. Most citizens measure success as a differential rather than an objective mesure. So if you set the bar lower, even a small hike looks large.

 

So let's look at what we have here, a portion of Trump's 1995 Tax Returns that show him making nearly a Billion dollars in net loss after the Atlantic City venture, and now he can have payed lower to 0 taxes the next 18 years to make up for that. 

 

This doesn't help HRC much, because she's already pounded Trump on his chapter 11 filings in the past, Differential mesure again, most people already know that Trump filed bankruptcy for some of his ventures. What this doesn't change is that that the Trump Corp used each of those bankruptcies to increase the revenue of the firm.

 

As for the future taxes, there are two options, and they both work out well for Trump. Trump isn't scoring well on the sympathy factor, right now it look like someone illegally leaked his tax returns. This is the current state of the nation

 

 

 

 

If you break it down further, Democrats are bankrolling the 46% most undecided independents don't care. Right now, he can make this look sympathetic. 

 

Case 1: He didn't pay taxes for 18 years after 1995, when the economy is in a recession, the value of the dollar is typically appreciated, Trump taking a "loss" in 1995 and not paying during the recession would likely have netted him more money than he would have lost. Trump has repeatedly said that he was part of the crooked system, and now he wants to use that system to benefit the people. He rehashed on that idea during his speech in PA 

 

 

 

He is being smart. And he needs to explain that to the American people a bit more, because not everyone is an econ major. Also if Trump made a killing in the stock market and didn't pull out his gains in he can report a negative income while legally making a profit. 

 

HRC surrogate Mark Cuban explains it pretty well 

 

 

So it's not a sure fire case that he mistakes in 1995; you can argue that he made immoral choices at the expense of others. That's the safer line of attack, and I notice HRC is going that route more than saying "Trump funked up"

 

2) He has been paying taxes, and he lures MSM+HRC into a trap, and reveals the taxes despite his lawyer's warning that revealing his taxes under audit is dangerous. He now vindicates himself and looks like he's putting public view before his business success. 

 

Now why did I think Trump leaked this returns himself? He picked up the "I'll be your cook" line that he hasn't used in a long time in the speech yesterday, right as the NYT published the piece. Like he openly said, I was part of the corrupt insiders, but I cannot stand to see /those/ people embezzle the US public anymore. 

 

The return address was to Trump Tower, and the Trump campaign had a push back set up within minutes of the publication. 

 

He's done this before

 

 

Hijacking news cycle and taking attention off the god awful Miss Universe Story while coming out ahead.

 

The NYT paper is a bunch of if's and maybe's that all pan out to be beneficial to Trump if his campaign has half a brain on how to spin it. Which I suspect they do

 

 

In others news

 

Roger Stone confirming that Wikileaks will release it's hit on HRC on Wednesday, so that'll be lovely to see

 

Trump destroying HRC in ballot requests in battleground states

 

Picture of the day

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T8tMk-ZOx8

[Aerion Brightflame]

He can't claim 'not paying taxes during the recession makes him smart'. It implies he had forward knowledge of the recession which isn't impossible, but it means he chose to profit instead of help people by calling it out and trying to get attention to stop it. That's not a line you should go down when you try to stand as a populist - Because I will wager most of his votership comes from people who suffered then and continued to suffer now. 

 

He can't go 'Oh I saw this coming, but rather than try to help anyone I decided to keep quiet and fiddle with my taxes so I could profit instead'. Or at least he shouldn't be able to. Not to mention it's not actually that strong an argument - The N.O.L works for 3 years prior and 15 years after, so he'd only cover from 92 or 2010, so the first two years of the global recession and the 8 month recession in response to 9/11 and the dot com bubble burst (The second of which he couldn't have forseen). You can't claim that he knew of it 13 years in advance, dodged income tax for 13 non recession years (Including the single biggest continuous period of growth in modern US history between 91 and 2001) to profit from 2 years of the global recession without doing the decent thing first in going 'hey guys, this is all going to blow up'.

 

I could believe that Trump leaked these himself, but he didn't make this claim to 'profit from a recession' because the US economy was not in a recession during the vast majority of this time period, it was in unrivalled growth. That is factually incorrect no matter how you look at it, and if you try to claim it you look like a soulless idiotic bastard (Soulless for not saying a thing to stop the recession, idiotic for getting the timing so very wrong, and bastard for profitting from a recession that cost millions there jobs and sank millions into poverty) 

 

It's also not damaging at all to release tax returns under audit no matter what his lawyer says - The IRS itself has declared that they don't give a funk if tax returns are made public whilst he's under audit. So it remains simply an issue of transparency because he's the first candidate in 32 years not to release them, and he's a candidate making a big deal of claiming to be 'clean and different'. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Saying 3 things

 

1) He probs didn't lose money (or atleast not nearly a billion dollars), he just kept it in the market that year and declared a negative income. Even if he did, he wrote the book art of come back for a reason, and the US needs a comeback atm

 

2) 1995 was a peak value, anyone could see that it was a bubble, dodging taxes when you know you're gonna come down from that is common sense, not even talking 2007/8

 

3) Revealing taxes under an audit is shitty business practice, but I do think he will drop them soon

 

None of this will hurt Trump in the slightest, Miss Universe might have

 

Let me make this easy for Trump: "What's worse? Me losing a billion of my own money, and making it back 4 fold or Hillary losing 6 billion of yours at the State Dept, and doubling the national debt"

[Aerion Brightflame]

1) Well if it didn't exist he'd be audited over it proven it didn't exist and he'd be fine. So he either moved the money around to save some (Which is shady as funk and makes him look bad), or he did legitimately lose that much money in the single great year for the US economy in 30 years, which makes him look bad. Especially because the US economy was growing in the 4 years before it. 

 

2) But it didn't come down. The US economy had grown the 4 years before it, and continued to grow for 12 of the 13 years after it. I'm not an economist so bare with me - But if you save money because dodging the tax in later years means you avoid paying it when the economy is weaker, isn't that only applicable when the economy is actually getting weaker, not stronger? Growth, even at a reduced rate, is still growth especially when occurring year after year after year. The US GDP actually started to increase at a faster rate later in 90's (Going from +2.55% in 95 to 4.87% in 99). 

 

So I just don't see how it wasn't mistimed if that was his intention . 

 

3) He's not a businessman, he's a presidential candidate, he's being held to a different standard right now. It is a bad message to send that 'my buisness takes priority to our nation'. Additionally, the IRS has again said it doesn't making a blind bit of difference. 

 

I wouldn't want to see Trump make those comments because I would call it a sign of ignorance - The economics of a nation don't function in the same way the economics of a company does. Trump was also technically in charge of his corporation, whilst Hillary wasn't in charge of the budget. So you know it's a poor comparison in my mind, but one he can make because most people don't understand anything about economics. 

 

It depends on if he does release his returns and what they show that determines whether this hurts him or not. It's not like he can't lose out in this situation either: A loss of 1 billion dollars being on the headlines of every major paper and news outlet can certaintly hurt him

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

He's already admitted to moving money around and such. Not today, but he has admitted that he's done, legal but shady stuff in the past

 

Tom...c'mon where were you in 2002 when the .com bubble tanked?

 

I'm laughing at the counter piece they're pushing about the NYT's tax evasions in the last 2 years tho, you don't out troll the Don 

 

 

this basically

 

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/25/nyregion/crowning-the-comeback-king.html

 

How Times have changed

[Aerion Brightflame]

I was like 6 for the 2001 recession, so I probably thought that £10 was a lot of money. So were you in fact. But the actual recession only lasted for about 8 months - The after effects continued to slow the economy down till 2003 but it still grew for the majority of that time. Then things were sweet for 5 years, and everything went to pot. 

 

Even then, Trump still mistimes it because the bubble doesn't burst for 6 more years and the economy goes from strength to strength in that time so he's still not 'a genius' as he wants to claim from it. 

 

And even if he has admitted it, the details of it matter. In part because some people will otherwise go 'Well it can't have been that bad', so we need to show whether they are right or wrong, and in part because it keeps Trump under the level of scrutiny a president should be under. Because he should be clean as a whistle. 

 

EDIT:

 

Also we have a tonne of tweets of Trump calling out others for not paying income tax or not even enough, so it just makes him look bad

 

Especially since this is a repeated theme of several years, up to and including last december:

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/02/donald-trumps-tweets-on-tax-issues-gop-nominee-refuses-to-release-tax-records.html

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Given how close the two polls about "bothered about Hilary" and "bothered about Trump" are...I'd say this looks bad for Trump. If Hilary's email scandal, which is supposedly about crimes much worse than anything Trump's taxes would reveal, are only 14% more people being worried about...well that kind of shows to me that Trump's in a worse spot.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I reckon the anxiety levels polled can be more attributed to blind partisanship than the issues' relative gravity. Regardless, the President isn't going to be determined by a Fox News opinion poll on who's bothered by what.

[Dad]

Same people praising Trump for gaming the system are the same people bashing welfare recipients.

 

Same people praising Trump for gaming the system are the same people who want tax cuts on the rich.

 

Same people praising Trump for gaming the system are the same people who want me to believe "it's okay because it's shady but legal". But if this was Clinton's tax return, you would be up in arms faster than a black man at a traffic stop.

 

In other words, you're full of sheet. And nothing is getting released tomorrow. It was just cancelled.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well Assange got death threats so he's just not giving his speech live, his speech is being telecast Tuesday and Wikileaks happening Wednesday still. HRC is not getting out of this one. 

Calm your sheet. As for HRC...uh she did do it. 2014, declared -700k and we've known for ages. Idc who does it, its clever. She hasn't made atleast 4 billion back after it though. America has had a rough 16 years, we need a comeback.

 

 

Trump quite literally admitted to everything the NYT "leaked" today in his 1997 book Art of the Comeback....y'all slow af

Actually no, rich people are backing HRC, Trump's supporters are mostly 40-75k peeps...there's a reason he's killing it small dollar donations, people like me are the ones funding him, not wallstreet donors. Those people all love Grandma Nixon

Again, like one of the first lines in his book art of the comeback is him admitting to losing nearly a billion dollars. You're full of sheet and grasping :)

 

And losing too

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Y'all need to stop and realize this entire election is full of sheet honestly.