[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Tentacruel]

Nah, I just mean touching on racism and women's rights and stuff. 

 

He wouldn't need to go straight up do the "white people are evil" thing liberals do, but he's got the image of being a raging racist, misogynist, homophobe etc etc, true or not.  He does little to try and disprove that. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Oh boy, will HRC disavow 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

 

Oh boy, will HRC disavow 

Couple things. Well first. I don't really care about the fat shaming thing. It's scummy but I already know Trump is a shitty person on a personal level. However.

1.) These two things do not relate to each other at all. The kind of person she turned out to be, if this is correct, doesn't magically mean insulting them was okay. It's just a clickbait thing more/less.

2.) She was "accused" of something and someone "claimed" she threatened. This means nothing. Innocent until proven guilty right? Or shall I bring up the "Trump accused of raping a kid" thing again?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

2.) She was "accused" of something and someone "claimed" she threatened. This means nothing. Innocent until proven guilty right? Or shall I bring up the "Trump accused of raping a kid" thing again?

I mean it's not like you guys aren't 

 

Roxas seems to love to bring it up

 

Also she got fact checked hard today lying about when she had Bulimia/Anorexia, the correct line of resp from Trump would have been to point out HRC on tape accepting she defended a man she knew was guilty of raping a 12 year old to the point where that poor girl couldn't have kids. Trump's counter punch was weak af

 

But this woman is full of problems, don't be surprised if HRC stops bringing her up

 

Also no tape of him calling her Piggy or Housekeeper, just her word against his. So is he innocent until proven guilty too?

 

I'm with Vla1ne that Trump really dropped the ball yesterday, but HRC wasn't magically an better

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It hasn't been mentioned in days and Roxas basically brought it up just as much as anyone else; that point is ridiculous.

 

In other words this is just a useless, meaningless, thing that doesn't matter at all because it has nothing to do with either of the candidates.

It doesn't change what Trump said, which might speak to his character, which is a character most people already know about

And it doesn't have any effect on the election, beyond the arbitrary meaning that people will force upon it in an attempt to abuse the shitty way media focuses on things and makes them seem more important.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It hasn't been mentioned in days and Roxas basically brought it up just as much as anyone else; that point is ridiculous.

 

In other words this is just a useless, meaningless, thing that doesn't matter at all because it has nothing to do with either of the candidates.

It doesn't change what Trump said, which might speak to his character, which is a character most people already know about

And it doesn't have any effect on the election, beyond the arbitrary meaning that people will force upon it in an attempt to abuse the shitty way media focuses on things and makes them seem more important.

 

"I have a past"

 

She'd done, liability

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Whether she will continue to be used in the election by Hilary or not, that doesn't mean Trump is any less of a shitty human being for the remarks he has made in regards to her.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Whether she will continue to be used in the election by Hilary or not, that doesn't mean Trump is any less of a shitty human being for the remarks he has made in regards to her.

Yeah sure, he was fat-shaming her on the Howard Stern, he shouldn't have laughed when Howard called her a fat pig. That's pretty shitty of him, but I was like what, 2 years old when that happened, times have clearly changed. 

 

Still no proof beyond her word that Trump called her Miss Piggy, let alone Miss Housekeeper. Again, not defending Trump's debate, or even the way he really reacted to this woman being treated. I don't think that would be acceptable today, but 1998 was a diff time.

 

He really needed to counter punch with this incident 

 

 

funking wasted opportunities all over, man got too rattled over birtherism and his taxes and missed as far as I've counted 9 layup shots on ...there's probs more

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Yeah sure, he was fat-shaming her on the Howard Stern, he shouldn't have laughed when Howard called her a fat pig. That's pretty shitty of him, but I was like what, 2 years old when that happened, times have clearly changed.

And how old were you when he reiterated this shaming this morning on Fox and Friends?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And how old were you when he reiterated this shaming this morning on Fox and Friends?

This I assume

 

Edit:

 

"When she brought up the person, I know that person, that person was a Miss Universe person, and she was the worst we ever had," Trump says. "The worst. The absolute worst. She was impossible. And she was a Miss Universe contestant, and ultimately a winner, who they had a tremendously difficult time with as Miss Universe."

 

"She was the winner, and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem," Trump says. "Hillary went back into the years and she found this – this was many years ago – and found the girl, and talked about her like she was Mother Teresa, and it wasn't quite that way, and that's okay, Hillary has to do what she has to do."

 

Unnecessary, not the best use of his airtime, but certainly not on the scale of laughing at someone calling her a fat pig. She herself admitted that she was difficult to work with, so the first para isn't really the issue...bold is uneeded, but not factually wrong in the context. I wouldn't have personally mentioned it, but far be it from me trying to tell Trump what to do

 

 

when interviewed about it, he talked about how she was one of the worst winners, and how her weight gain was a huge problem. No apology, no admission of guilt, but I can't really say I expected such considering the course of Monday's debate.

Yeh, I wouldn't have done it. Still waiting on proof that he actually called her Ms. Piggy or Ms. House Cleaner/Cleaning

 

The latter is more problematic if he did it, because that's not even about the contest and would be a racial attack. 

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

He called her Miss Piggy again? Are you srs? Jesus...err I don't really watch any of the big three MSM.

 

when interviewed about it, he talked about how she was one of the worst winners, and how her weight gain was a huge problem. No apology, no admission of guilt, but I can't really say I expected such considering the course of Monday's debate.

 

You keep talking about how he misses so many opportunities. Obvious opportunities. It is clear he could easily appeal to a much larger audience if he just quit talking out of his own ass. Do you really want to support someone who refuses to (or worse yet, not understanding the ability to) be reasonable, only in defense of his own pride? Is that really the man you want to tote?

[Aerion Brightflame]

If he said anything offensive towards her person (I.E. insulting her for being fat) in a non joking manner, even if provoked, it makes him look sheet because it makes him seem randomly petty. And the president of the united states should not be randomly petty because being randomly petty doesn't work in politics. 

 

Obama say, for all his faults dealt with birtherism essentially without complaint on and off for 8 years of office. There's no way in hell I can believe Trump could deal with any form of critism from any party member on either side of the isle without flipping out, let alone foreign dignitaries insulting him. funk I can imagine him going to war if say Duerte told him to funk off. Imagine how funking easy it would be to manipulate someone who flips out anytime you insult them directly. 

 

Hell I think he said in the debate he'd blown a ship out of the water if a bunch of random guys on it happened to insult a US military ship. 

[Tentacruel]

They're all terrible people, we get it.  Who would be the better president? 

 

Ben Carson, in my opinion, is a great person.  I don't think he would make a good president.

 

Now mind you I don't feel comfortable with voting for downright terrible people either, but the level of moral comparisons is getting ridiculous. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

funk I can imagine him going to war if say Duerte told him to funk off. Imagine how funking easy it would be to manipulate someone who flips out anytime you insult them directly. 

Now now, don't be dramatic 

 

Did he say that in the debate (asking, not telling) I've heard him say that in rallies (for the record it was Iranian ships harassing US ships)

 

But no, not the smartest thing for him to say. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I mean overall I think Trump keeps showing me he's unfit to lead. Given how bad he is at like...everything about this election practically?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I mean overall I think Trump keeps showing me he's unfit to lead. Given how bad he is at like...everything about this election practically?

Neither of them have really impressed me with their temperament recently. Have to agree with you there

 

Between the war with russia comment, and Trump spouting this sheet. I'd have to watch his FL speech today, but I do think it was just a crowd pleasing 'muric moment, or rather I hope it was

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

They may both be despicable, but Trump is nothing short of childish, and is really just a joke. It is difficult to imagine Hilary as president, but it is even more difficult to imagine Trump anywhere but reality TV.

 

But hey, at least he has stamina.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

They may both be despicable, but Trump is nothing short of childish, and is really just a joke. It is difficult to imagine Hilary as president, but it is even more difficult to imagine Trump anywhere but reality TV.

 

But hey, at least he has stamina.

The problem with HRC (for me), is she's been around for 30 year, and she's got her hand in half a dozen piles of sheet. She's been proven to be many things I'm no comfortable with

 

Trump said it perfectly, yes she has experience, but not the sort I wanna see in America, and def not what I want my daughter to look up to. We don't need another president who will keep looking outward. Trump of Sept/August >>>>>>>>Trump of May and June, I'm just waiting to see if he'll keep it up and keep improving.

 

And then there's my personal anguish at her wanting to overturn the Hyde amendment... 

 

That disqualifies her for me, if Trump really drops the ball and goes back to June Trump, I may not vote for him, but I cannot vote for HRC given what she wants for the country 

 

Like surely the man has to realize his economic ideas are resonating, and what's pissing people off is the stupid remarks like not apologizing for birtherism...I don't get his endgame....

 

But hey, new LATimes poll factoring in debates shows he rose with Millennials and is actually beating her there...expected drop in Hispanics after Miss Piggy, but still 4% over what Romney got

 

Tanking with Women, surging with Men...the usual

[Aerion Brightflame]

Now now, don't be dramatic 

 

Did he say that in the debate (asking, not telling) I've heard him say that in rallies (for the record it was Iranian ships harassing US ships)

 

But no, not the smartest thing for him to say. 

 

From my understanding it was Iranian vessels in International water essentially giving US ships the finger. And he said he'd sink them, and claimed that wouldn't serve as causus beli for war. I'll look for the specific quotes later tonight. 

 

Really the idea that he thinks that he could shoot down vessels in open sea without it serving as cause for war is scary enough because it shows a lack of understanding of international diplomacy (Which is scarier than just being war-mongering. Because it means you could cause a war without being prepared for it, or creating the wrong war). 

 

It wouldn't be so bad if Trump showed that he had exceptional advisers and that he listened to them, but there's no real evidence of that thus far. 

[Sunshine Jesse]

Like surely the man has to realize his economic ideas are resonating, and what's pissing people off is the stupid remarks like not apologizing for birtherism...I don't get his endgame....

Spoiler: He doesn't have one. Haven't you figured it out yet? He's not some mastermind. He's an impulsive buffoon.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Spoiler: He doesn't have one. Haven't you figured it out yet? He's not some mastermind. He's an impulsive buffoon.

Impulsive Baffoon? You seem to have a really low opinion of 42% of the country if you think he's a Baffoon who's able to Rick roll them all

[Dad]

Sounds more like 42% of the country lives a good show. We could always just build a white house movie set and put Trump in it. I wonder what the crisis simulation for that would look like. How fast would nukes get dropped?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sounds more like 42% of the country lives a good show. We could always just build a white house movie set and put Trump in it. I wonder what the crisis simulation for that would look like. How fast would nukes get dropped?

You should ask the remain people how that kinda fear monger worked for them

 

Trump seems like the the Oberyn Martell of debating. Overconfidence got him..

 

 

This is me waiting for the new polls

 

 

Edit:

 

https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/09/27/post-debate-poll-clinton-won-performance-trump-won-votes/

 

"Mr. Trump has made a major play for black voters juxtaposed to previous GOP nominees and, while the PPP U.S. Presidential Election Daily Tracking Poll finds his support has increased from 5% in August to roughly 11% by the end of September, other public polls have shown he continues to struggle

 

A post Debate Poll conducted after the presidential showdown at Hofstra University finds Hillary Clinton put on the best performance, but Donald Trump won votes. While voters 47% to 44% think that Mrs. Clinton “won the first presidential debate,” Mr. Trump won over undecided voters who changed their mind by nearly a 3 to 1 margin.

 

Nine percent (9%) were undecided on the question of who won the debate. Among those who were undecided (5%) before the debate, 31% changed their mind and now say they’ll support the New York businessman. By comparison, only 11% of previously undecided voters said they will now vote for the former secretary of state"

 

Bush level support among AA voters, disappointing, his message could easily get 25% if it had a better messenger

[Phantom Roxas]

 

Oh boy, will HRC disavow

 

How is it that when Trump says something unconditionally misogynist, you still find a way to make it about how Clinton is the real problem? You demand that she disavows, yet you make no judgment against Trump for mocking her for her weight?

 

Here, I'll let everyone read the article so they can decide for themselves instead of having to rely on an unsourced screenshot.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.html

 

"DailyMail.com has asked the Clinton campaign whether they knew about the accusations, which do not appear to have ended in conviction, before the candidate spoke about her at the debate."

 

I mean it's not like you guys aren't 

 

Roxas seems to love to bring it up

 

Also she got fact checked hard today lying about when she had Bulimia/Anorexia, the correct line of resp from Trump would have been to point out HRC on tape accepting she defended a man she knew was guilty of raping a 12 year old to the point where that poor girl couldn't have kids. Trump's counter punch was weak af

 

But this woman is full of problems, don't be surprised if HRC stops bringing her up

 

Also no tape of him calling her Piggy or Housekeeper, just her word against his. So is he innocent until proven guilty too?

 

I'm with Vla1ne that Trump really dropped the ball yesterday, but HRC wasn't magically an better

 

You're neglecting why I brought it up. You were relying far too much on "rape" metaphors, so I related it to Trump, who has been accused of actual rape. Saying that I "love to bring it up" suggests that I bring it up frequently, when all I did was bring it up once, and then we immediately continued a discussion on that same point. After you ignored the point, I hadn't brought it back up, and I'm only talking about it again now because you mentioned me.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sunshine Jesse was right about this.

 

I doubt that you're truly concerned with the credibility of all these websites. My suspicion is that, since all these websites reported about the allegation, you're looking for weak reasons to, as Jesse pointed out, criticize the source, possibly because it will somehow discredit the accusation that Trump is a rapist.

 

The part you quoted is immediately followed by "That being said, the first and most famous accusation comes from Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump."

 

Look up another piece from the writer, Taryn Hillin.

 

http://fusion.net/story/347950/how-women-can-stop-trump/

 

"Not only that, the jumpsuits will contain “patches” that feature a selection of Trump’s derogatory, sexist, and misogynist language against people with vaginas, as a way to remind both the wearer and anyone she encounters why he is a dangerous choice for President. In case you’ve missed the headlines, Trump has referred to women as dogs, degenerates, slobs, and bimbos, as well as said things like, “A person who is flat-chested is very hard to be a 10” and “I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”"

If Trump wasn't so offensive to women, then there wouldn't be that many comments to use for patches, but it seems that there are. And yes, he did make a comment about dating his own daughter.

 

http://www.today.com/id/11714379/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/trump-jokes-hed-date-daughter/#.V-fqo5MrKis

 

Even nine years ago, we have Trump making a uncomfortable statement, and then someone else had to clarify in his stead that it was just a "joke". Hasn't a big defense for Trump been that he "says what he means"? If that was true, then why does he need someone else to make a statement on his behalf that he was really just joking, and such a statement only comes after he's been called out on it?

 

Oh, and I can pin Epstein's actions on Trump, since Trump associates himself with anti-LGBT politicians.

 

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/09/22/santorum-gets-top-billing-trumps-catholic-advisory-group/

 

If he really cared about the LGBT community, he wouldn't have made his "No good" comment at the Republican National Convention, nor would he have enlisted Rick Santorum's help. Interestingly, the LGBT community now vastly prefers Clinton over Trump.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/poll-lgbt-voters-support-clinton-over-trump-n653491

 

Mike Pence himself is also anti-LGBT.

 

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/mike-pence-homophobic-articles-indiana-policy-review/

 

If Trump is going to keep this kind of company, then I'm absolutely going to criticize Trump himself.

Hmm, sorry for missing this.

 

Lets see: Read Ivana's testimony, she said she did not in the "criminal sense"

 

Poor attempt to make language in TV drama sit coms politically relevant, context is useful

 

Epstein is a dirtbag, but what does LGBT have to do with Epstein? IK you're gonna turn this on me, but you do realize that Bill and Hillary are also close to Epstein or were?

 

So him tapping a well known catholic as part of his push to get catholic voters is of more importance than Trump giving a openly gay man a prime time spot in the RCN? Hell the most coveted spot after Trump's speech itself

 

He's doing > Romney and most republicans actually

 

Yeh Pence has a shifty history with regards to LGBT, so do most people including Trump's opponent