[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Dad]

Don't you just love talking about corruption, no matter how small and stupid?  I sure do.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/14/report-lead-paint-makers-helped-gov-walker/90349256/

[cr47t]

Winter put this out on his status btw http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/296317-cnns-john-king-we-got-played-again-by-trump-campaign#

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

 

Clinton could just disavow and be done with it

[Aerion Brightflame]

Technically targetting 'A lack of American roots' isn't the same as going 'your a Muslim and a Kenyan'. It's just an attempt to say 'He doesn't share the same values as you' which is a tried and tested political tactic. Has been for decades. The really issue with the birth movement is that it continued after the point of reason. Even after Obama produced a copy of his birth certificate, and had it verified when people called it a forgery I.E. when it was proved without any measure of doubt that Obama was an American.

 

Now, I don't recall any members of the Hillary campaign continuing that lie past the point of being given absolute proof. Trump saying 'We ended it' is thus a dumb thing to do - Barack Obama ended the part of the discussion that was grounded in facts when he provided the evidence. Anyone who continued arguing the point past that is at fault for being a lying fear-mongering idiot. 

 

Which means really this is not a win for Trump. There should be no reasonable world where going 'Oh I finally believe that this guy, who has given his birth certificate and immediate family tree years ago is actually American' should be considered a win for him. 

 

You can blame Hillary for instigating the rumour if you wish (I don't think Penn's comments are enough to lay the blame solely at his feet). But the buck does not stop there, and it is not a win for Donald Trump. 

 

In a reasonable universe of course, but we are talking about this one which clearly isn't. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Penn was one of em, Syd Blumenthal went a lot further, and even the media is reporting on that now. 

 

And HRC fired a staffer for calling Obama a Kenyan in a fundraising email

 

HRC Camp started it, and so far she's been denying that. Now that she's got caught she's moving the goalpost

 

Yes, Trump is at fault for his stupid tweet in 2014, but never forget where this came from

[Aerion Brightflame]

And never forget that this was an issue in what 2007/8? And that it was put to bed by Obama in short order. 

 

And yet it takes a further 8 years for someone other than Barack Obama to go 'Nope I believe him, we don't need to talk about it anymore' and act like that solves the issue and it deserves applause? That is not a win. Don't treat it like one. 

 

Hilary lying about 'starting it' isn't shocking. Because you can't admit that you started the rumour and have it be a good thing (Except maybe Trump but who funking knows?). So her lying is essentially an expected response, which while unfortunate shouldn't surprise people. 

 

Now I will credit Trump for how he made this presentation, because he funking played the media here. It's an amazing move. But the certificate thing is not a win for him. The fact that he had to address that he now, 8 years later, finally believes the literal most definitive piece of evidence that could have been provided is not a win for the campaign. Neither is attempting to direct all the blame to Hillary. 

 

He was a very vocal part of the problem who continued this far beyond the point of reason. 

 

On an somewhat unrelated note - http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/16/donald-trump-2014-taxes-comment-nr.cnn

 

Whilst it is CNN, so whilst biased as sheet this is somewhat reliable because it's using a clip from an interview rather than 'quotes'. We have a video of Trump, in yet another very Trump like statement, talking in 2014 about how he'd be happy to release his Tax return. Something that despite continued prodding, and continued discussion about them and despite Hillary releasing 4 decades worth he has refused to do so. 

 

It's made even better because it's an interview of him criticising Obama for not providing something Trump called for him to provide saying 'The President should come clean'. I particularly loved the touch where he tries to make Obama seem like a bad person by saying 'He would have given money to charity'. That's great. 

 

There's also the photo of the Clinton's at his Wedding, and him complimenting Hillary. It's a very fun interview. 

[cr47t]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/16/third-party-candidates-miss-cut-for-first-presidential-debates/

 

Welp.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/16/third-party-candidates-miss-cut-for-first-presidential-debates/

 

Welp.

[Dad]

Semi-unrelated, but a really interesting video I think you guys might like. 

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

They got the 2012 vote almost perfectly. High. funking. Energy. The jabroni is imploding 

 

We're beating her with Millennials

 

We're getting 20% of the AA vote

 

Her 9/11 and Deplorable Gaffes aren't factored into the AVG anymore

 

Trump is being her in intention to vote

 

Oh, and we crossed the previous peak value he had at the RNC

 

and this is post the media desperately trying to bring up birtherism 

 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

 

They got the 2012 vote almost perfectly. High. funking. Energy. The jabroni is imploding 

tbh all this tells me is that it's really fluctuating all the time. And I mean it's still, what, if I'm reading it right, a five percent difference?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

tbh all this tells me is that it's really fluctuating all the time. And I mean it's still, what, if I'm reading it right, a five percent difference?

Uh, 7pt gap

 

MoE is 2.8pts

 

It usually fluctuates in that range

 

The exceptions is post Trump's convention speech, post August where Trump tanked due to the Khans, and now

 

Black males are dropping Clinton like she's cancer

[cr47t]

What poll are you using?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

LATimes

It's one of the more consistently reliable ones
 

[Sunshine Jesse]

Trump backed down on Climate change, calling it a "pressing matter" now

Source?

 

This is an immensely big deal for me because it implies far more than just "being smart" and protecting the environment.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Source?

 

This is an immensely big deal for me because it implies far more than just "being smart" and protecting the environment.

A statement of environmental impact filed by the Trump International Golf Links & Hotel Ireland, owned by the presumptive Republican nominee, cited rising sea levels and extreme weather due to global warming as the reason the company needed to build a seawall to protect its coastal resort, Politico reported Monday.The sea wall is necessary protect the course from "global warming and its effects."

 

That was around brexit, um he recently also said that we'd need to look into removing Co2 in a speech, let me find that. Remember there was a lot of faux right wing outrage at him for it

 

Why is this the most important issue lol tho

[Sunshine Jesse]

A statement of environmental impact filed by the Trump International Golf Links & Hotel Ireland, owned by the presumptive Republican nominee, cited rising sea levels and extreme weather due to global warming as the reason the company needed to build a seawall to protect its coastal resort, Politico reported Monday.The sea wall is necessary protect the course from "global warming and its effects."

 

That was around brexit, um he recently also said that we'd need to look into removing Co2 in a speech, let me find that. Remember there was a lot of faux right wing outrage at him for it

 

Why is this the most important issue lol tho

It's not the most important issue, but it is a pressing one. A lot of the time, denial of climate change is not about intelligence as much as it is catering to corporate greed, because businesses stand to lose profit due to the necessary regulations required to fix this mess.

 

If someone is a denier of climate change, they're either A. ignorant of the evidence, B. refuse to accept it, or C, a corporate shill/mouthpiece. All three of these are unacceptable.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's not the most important issue, but it is a pressing one. A lot of the time, denial of climate change is not about intelligence as much as it is catering to corporate greed, because businesses stand to lose profit due to the necessary regulations required to fix this mess.

 

If someone is a denier of climate change, they're either A. ignorant of the evidence, B. refuse to accept it, or C, a corporate shill/mouthpiece. All three of these are unacceptable.

OH that's not hard, there's about 5 Trillion dollars of untapped energy potential in the US. It's economically and logically stupid to not tap that in favor of reducing Co2 instead of tapping it and and investing in carbon extraction research

 

If he was in it for the big guy, he'd be talking about cranking not coal

It's priorities

[Sunshine Jesse]

OH that's not hard, there's about 5 Trillion dollars of untapped energy potential in the US. It's economically and logically stupid to not tap that in favor of reducing Co2 instead of tapping it and and investing in carbon extraction research

 

If he was in it for the big guy, he'd be talking about cranking not coal

It's priorities

The problem is that Co2 use can't just be pushed to the side in favor of alternatives; to some degree, it must be outright undone. And that is really expensive.

 

Historically, big oil is far too short-sighted to lose money before they make it.

 

But that's another debate for another day. If Trump is actually for reducing Co2 emissions, that's a step in the right direction, and makes him a good bit more trustworthy to me than he was before, but he still has some ground to cover before I'd vote for him. Simply speaking out against the interests of oil companies to the smallest degree is far better than what most Republicans do.

 

Which is really depressing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The problem is that Co2 use can't just be pushed to the side in favor of alternatives; to some degree, it must be outright undone. And that is really expensive.

 

Historically, big oil is far too short-sighted to lose money before they make it.

 

But that's another debate for another day. If Trump is actually for reducing Co2 emissions, that's a step in the right direction, and makes him a good bit more trustworthy to me than he was before, but he still has some ground to cover before I'd vote for him. Simply speaking out against the interests of oil companies to the smallest degree is far better than what most Republicans do.

 

Which is really depressing.

It's not being pushed aside so to speak. It's two different problems

 

Coal=Co2, coal would break our dependence on OPEC, so would something like keystone you might say, but coal would benefit those 40-50 year old workers who know no other form of work, it'd give them enough to live on, while making your energy bill a lot cheaper

 

Now would that increase Co2 emissions? Yeh, but that's not a good enough reason to toss out 5 trillion in wealth for this country. What needs to be done is use the cheaper energy to bankroll these people till they can retire, but subsequently invest in removing CO2 instead of just stopping anymore C02. That required scientific research, which means funding, which means revenue....something you won't get from doing things as we are

 

He's got work to do, but atleast he supports nuclear energy which could phase out all the rest on its own. 

 

TL:DR

 

Coal = Money + CO2 +Jobs = Research = CO2 Removal

 

Ideally you're left off with more money than you started and more jobs

 

Fracking is dangerous IMO due to fault lines, that's why I'm against it

 

But no, the mans far from perfect. I have my own person distaste for him on the Death Penalty, but I just don't see HRC as a better alternative on that, and I agree with him far more than I do her

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Double post, but this is really important. The reddit, 4chan, and 8chan community have been laying a trap for the Platte River Network  people (the guys who deleted HRC's emails).

 

We have proof of obstruction of Justice now, AFTER the congress subpoena

 

 

http://archive.is/FXcao

 

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/breaking-reddit-users-find-proof-hillarys-company-researching-delete-emails-without-trace/

 

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-email-it-guy-caught-asked-destroy-evidence/

 

Congress might have a new case on her now. How the FBI let this slide is beyond me

 

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link the Darknet stuff we got on him too (might be considered Doxxing) but we know everything about this guy now

[Aerion Brightflame]

That's not new. Or at least attempted Obstruction of Justice after the supena isn't.

 

The only reason the FBI got access to any emails iirc is because the company that stored them on cloud contacted the FBI after being asked to delete them. So obstruction of justice was already implied. 

 

It doesn't make the rest of the case of her any more solid really. And that's the crux of the matter - The FBI didn't say she was not guilty, just that they didn't have a case enough to bring it to trial. She only escaped punishment for negligence because she wasn't technically a member of any institution anymore so she couldn't be given administrative punishments, and the case was not strong enough to convict. I don't believe any of the evidence we have seen since is enough to change that. 

 

And don't like darknet stuff on a public forum. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That's not new. Or at least attempted Obstruction of Justice after the supena isn't.

 

The only reason the FBI got access to any emails iirc is because the company that stored them on cloud contacted the FBI after being asked to delete them. So obstruction of justice was already implied. 

 

It doesn't make the rest of the case of her any more solid really. And that's the crux of the matter - The FBI didn't say she was not guilty, just that they didn't have a case enough to bring it to trial. She only escaped punishment for negligence because she wasn't technically a member of any institution anymore so she couldn't be given administrative punishments, and the case was not strong enough to convict. I don't believe any of the evidence we have seen since is enough to change that. 

 

And don't like darknet stuff on a public forum. 

We have intent now, he asked about how to hide stuff from the feds

 

Yeah that's why I didn't link it, we know about his fam and everything now. But funk that traitor, he betrayed this country, I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him

[ihop]

So Trump belligerently denied climate change for years but changed his mind and called it a pressing issue as soon as it became apparent that his golf course might be flooded? Doesn't scream "man of the people" to me.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So Trump belligerently denied climate change for years but changed his mind and called it a pressing issue as soon as it became apparent that his golf course might be flooded? Doesn't scream "man of the people" to me.

Nah, he was actually backing it in the early 2000's

 

The point still stands that we have more to lose by focusing solely on it atm than we don't.

 

If you wanna go that route, can you say HRC was belligerently against Same Sex Marriage and Illegal immigration until it became a political liability for her not to accept it? 

 

Doesn't make Trump look any better, but change can happen. Man of the people wouldn't give a funk about the emissions and instead work on extracting that 5T energy wealth