LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can we please stop being dramatic. I understand that he's not a perfect candidate or even the best one in the Republican field *looks at Kasich* But he's really not Hitler v2 You know what will be Hilter v2? Ignoring the anger in our society. What do you think Trump is a product of? Elect Sanders, add another couple trillion on the national debt, socialize and piss off companies even more, and ignore the social tensions...and guess what you've created A hyper inflated economy with a minority to scapegoat...now where have we seen that before. The "Trump" of 2032 at this rate WILL be Hitler v2 If the democrats have any sense they will elect Hillary, and if the American public has any sense they will elect Trump or Kasich as the president Can we please stop being dramatic.Really though I hate not having much to say but. Yeah, look at what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Really though I hate not having much to say but. Yeah, look at what you're saying.I mean I'm noting a trend. You have another bubble forming, you have a collapsing insurance policy, and you have a minority to scapegoat in the form of Mexicans and maybe muslims. Trump is atleast willing to let the "Good" ones back in, ie. The ones with families. Others, not so much. This is really looking like the start of Hitler's America one way or another Tom is correct. Sander does represent a fair bit of anger in the society. We really need to address both ends of the problem. When I say business tom, I also mean the stuff run by middle class people too. And Trump's turn out far outshadows anything Sanders is doing. I'd personally want a moderate like Kasich, but Trump would be far better for this country relative to Sanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I mean I'm noting a trend, Tom is correct. Sander does represent a fair bit of anger in the society. We really need to address both ends of the problem. When I say business tom, I also mean the stuff run by middle class people too. And Trump's turn out far outshadows anything Sanders is doing. I'd personally want a moderate like Kasich, but Trump would be far better for this country relative to Sanders What middle class? The middle class is being destroyed due to Wealth inequality. So in essence wealth needs to be distributed better, which what Sanders and (debatably, though I don't really believe it) Trump are aiming to do. There is obviously more than just adjust wealth, improving social and health care and boosting national industry/jobs in order to help the lower classes earn more, and say stuff like a minimum wage, and you know not paying stupid amounts of money on health care because it should not be a privilege. I still think Sanders is the best option, because there are massive issues in the nation. And I'd rather see radical changes that require later adjusting than a slow transition that gives more room for things to be subverted. Given Sanders really isn't as liberal as he seems (Relative to the rest of the world), if he can actually inspire the people to get involved at all stages of politics, it's arguably the best hope you have of getting out of the mess you are in. Because again, no one can do it alone; And yet Sanders is the only candidate I've seen who has been reinforcing this idea, that he needs people to get involved truly involved in politics to effect a change. And it's a change that will happen in the next few years as Baby Boomers get out-proportioned by Millennial and Gen-X's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Not like Rubio needed it, Christie did more than enough damage to him with the whole 'Can we dispell the myth that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing' robot moment. I would also say, it's not the companies that needs to or should be appealed to right now. Doing so it what created such wonderful things as the wealth gap in America, and this whole state where 10% own more than the rest of the 90%, politics should be moving towards the people not companies. Preferably before stuff like TTIP comes in which means that companies essentially would own Governments. That sort of wealth gap, and the society that created it is arguably the biggest source of societal tension, it's why money in politics has become one of the biggest issues of the election instead of foreign policy. And citing Trump as a by-product of societies anger towards the way things are means you have to acknowledge Sanders is a result of the same feelings; He wouldn't be running or doing as well as he is if people didn't have some desire to change the status quo. Because he's a 74 year old socialist running against a Clinton; The only way he does this well is if he has a message with wide appeal. Can anyone tell me what TTIP is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can anyone tell me what TTIP is? Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. It's like TTP only involving EU and the US instead of the pacific countries. An alleged part of the agreements (Because none of it can be public knowledge, and hell even governments have been kept out of the negotiation processes) is that Investors have the right to sue governments over legislature a given government passes that would impact there profits. It's something it shares with TTP as far as I know. There's other issues attached like the fact that the EU and the US have very different labour laws and restrictions on substances, which means the partnership might end up undercutting a lot of laws put in place for safety (US bankers conducting business in the less regulated EU sector, EU companies out-sourcing to the US because there's less rights for workers ect ect). Essentially it's worrying because in theory it could end up being another example of rampant capitalism screwing the general population over, and that it may cheapen democracy even further, but it could also be a massively overblown set of worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 >0% reporting>Media already calling a Clinton victory in South Carolina How can you call a funking primary if there have been no ballots counted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 >0% reporting>Media already calling a Clinton victory in South Carolina How can you call a f***ing primary if there have been no ballots counted? Polls? Since Sanders isn't meant to be close in SC, it's no shock that the media would calls things far far too early. Admittedly this is pushing it, but hey it proves they are liars trying to force the politics one way, at the expense of the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Exit polls probably, but that's just an excuse to call a primary based on that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 >0% reporting>Media already calling a Clinton victory in South Carolina How can you call a funking primary if there have been no ballots counted?Because no realistic person wants a socialist running this country Hillary won more of the Black Vote than Obama did in 2008 #Burndownthebern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Because no realistic person wants a socialist running this countryNo realistic person wants a fascist running this country either. See, I can play this game too. Now please say something constructive. Anyway, I would have waited until at least 30% of the ballots have been counted. At that point, trends can easily be seen with a decent size of ballots. EDIT: Just saw Winter's edit. That's better mate. *hands Winter a soda* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Because no realistic person wants a socialist running this country Hillary won more of the Black Vote than Obama did in 2008 #Burndownthebern If you'd been paying attention to the polls, it shouldn't be a shock that Hillary won the Black Vote - She's been polling that way all campaign for some reason (People forget she ran against Obama in 2008 weirdly). Like SC isn't a state Sanders is expected to win, it's about how much he loses by that matters. And please don't bring personal s*** like that soicalist comment into the thread. That's just attacking candidates rather than generating arguments, which is not what we want this thread to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 If you'd been paying attention to the polls, it shouldn't be a shock that Hillary won the Black Vote - She's been polling that way all campaign for some reason (People forget she ran against Obama in 2008 weirdly). Like SC isn't a state Sanders is expected to win, it's about how much he loses by that matters. And please don't bring personal s*** like that soicalist comment into the thread. That's just attacking candidates rather than generating arguments, which is not what we want this thread to be about. I'm suprised she'd beating Obama's record though But sorry, it was in poor taste Edit: It doesn't look like the Trump level landslide it was, but 84% of the Blackvote is staggering even for the expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 "There's no way we're going to lose Minnesota, I can see that. You are just too smart" is one of the reasons why he is losing the minority vote as bad as he is. Apart from that though, this loss was pretty much expected, but I still don't see his path to victory. Hillary has won 3 states out of 4, has more delegates, and is winning minority and older voters, the Democrats who actually vote. Young just are not coming out for him, and pretty much every analyst is saying Super Tuesday is going to be brutal for Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted February 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Super Tuesday does not necessarily define the primary outcome, despite it's major importance. Remember that, people.I'm worried that if Trump wins the GOP nomination it could possibly kill the GOP. As a self-considered moderate, I don't want to see either major party fall, because even though I don't agree with everyone, especially those on the far ends, they all equally deserve representation. I've been a Bernie supporter for a while since I first learned about him, but now I'm starting to see even a guy like him has his ups and downs. Everyone does. Now I'm fine with either of the remaining Democrats getting the nomination, and Kasich is my favorite out of the Republicans still in. I personally think every legitimate government needs more people like them. But equally, we need more people who can work with others, can still look up even when in trouble, whom will stand by their allies in trouble, will stand by the people of their country always, whom will not surrender their beliefs, and whom will admit when they're wrong or mistaken. I personally that is one of the components of what I think would be a perfect world; but my idea of a perfect world is not utopic, but rather realistic. That said I think we are very close to it, but we still have the major issues standing in our way. This election's outcome could help us move forwards torwards that golden age, or take a painful step backwards. Who knows, we might get something completely different. So I say this to you; try to get involved in the world around you. Dont seal yourself off; ignorance is not a bliss, but rather an fake exit, and when you finally wake up from it, you may very well realize that the world isn't all about you. So get involved; whether in the political process, in your community, or even justwith your family and friends. It may make all the difference, if not for the world around you, then for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Dunno if this was posted earlier, but I found a site that helps you find out where you stand on issues compared to the candidates.http://www.isidewith.com/I had a 91% match with Hillary, 88% with Bernie, and much less with the Republican candidates. It also breaks down which particular areas you agree on. As for the election, I foresee Hillary vs Trump. Personally, I'd much rather it be Hillary or Bernie vs Rubio. EDIT: I just noticed, I've made a habit of referring to the Democrats by first name and Republicans by last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 83% with Trump75% with Clinton Rest below that. Seems about right Hillary is winning all three Major ST states, Trump is winning two but losing Texas. Honestly I'm terrified at this point. A Cruz presidency is my worst nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Honestly I'm terrified at this point. A Cruz presidency is my worst nightmareYeah. Idk about having to move out from a Trump presidency, but a Cruz presidency, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Yeah. Idk about having to move out from a Trump presidency, but a Cruz presidency, probably.Damnit, can't even flee to Canada :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 You CAN tho. Get it? *shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I don't see what's so bad about Cruz, other than him wanting to meddle in the middle east, he knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I don't see what's so bad about Cruz, other than him wanting to meddle in the middle east, he knows what he's doing. I get the impression he wants to impose a Christian Theocracy despite the numerous Supreme Court rulings saying otherwise. Severely limiting abortion and instituting prayer being two examples iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 His stance on Immigration disgusts me. He clearly said he wont let the Illegals legally re-immigrate. Also the way he stole Iowa by telling people Carson dropped out is the lowest of the low. I would vote for Bernie over him in a heartbeat. I don't want a trashy scumbag as my president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Damnit, can't even flee to Canada :/ Wait, why? His stance on Immigration disgusts me. He clearly said he wont let the Illegals legally re-immigrate. Also the way he stole Iowa by telling people Carson dropped out is the lowest of the low. I would vote for Bernie over him in a heartbeat. I don't want a trashy scumbag as my presidentYeah a lot of Cruz's tactics is so dirty not even a shower could clean them up. Let's hope that he cruzes (cruises) to defeat. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Can we just stop funking with the Middle East? I mean I know we technically can't, but war after war is literally killing us. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Wait, why? Yeah a lot of Cruz's tactics is so dirty not even a shower could clean them up. Let's hope that he cruzes (cruises) to defeat. :) Cause he's Canadian :^)Can we just stop funking with the Middle East? I mean I know we technically can't, but war after war is literally killing us. :/Israel mate. We need to stop putting our people on the ground though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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