[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Pretty sure she was just diagnosed with pneumonia.  Pretty sure.

Pneumonia doesn't turn you into a rag doll in 70 degree breezy weather 

[Dad]

Pneumonia doesn't turn you into a rag doll in 70 degree breezy weather 

 

It also affects the body differently when you're older and your immune system is a lot more shoddy.  I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure that's basic understanding.

[cr47t]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/09/13/impeachment-showdown-begins-as-house-conservatives-take-aim-at-irs-commissioner/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/13/trump-claims-watergate-era-justice-department-tougher-than-now-omitting-nixon-interference/

 

Discuss both.

[Tentacruel]

Pneumonia is pretty funking serious and she's super old.  I'd rather not jump on the conspiracy bandwagon if I can help it.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Trump is one to talk when making comparisons to Nixon. But he has a point - sheet like this would have been unheard of in the Nixon era. But not because of the justice department, but because no one in the office would think of bringing this kind of controversy upon the office of the presidency because they respected the institution. Like jesus Nixon, the only man ever to resign the presidency resigned because he was going to be impeached over simply lying about his actions, not over what he actually did. Because the lie served to damage the integrity of the office. 

 

And yet you have candidates who make Nixon seem exemplary. 

 

Technically the Justice Department wasn't more relevant in Nixon's day because Ford just stopped any chance they had of convicting by giving a full free and absolute pardon. So it's a semi-poor comparison but he raises a point about how the quality of individual who seek the office has plummeted and that scandal means much much less. 

 

It's part as to why I admire Obama - In 8 years he hasn't really had any major scandal that he has been the prime motivator for. Not like Clinton's womanising (And very bullshitty defence) or Bush being Bush. In spite of the level of sheet he's been given, he conducted himself in a manner becoming the position. And that's good - The presidency of the United States is one of the few head of state positions that demands a certain expectation of behaviour. You can't get away with having a Berlosconi say.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

 

this woman whored out my country

[Dad]

 

 

this woman whored out my country

 

Please.  I rather know where the bank came from than know the person running it is going to spend it all on orange hair dye and a wall.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Please.  I rather know where the bank came from than know the person running it is going to spend it all on orange hair dye and a wall.

What does this even mean? Seems like a sheet post, but I could be wrong

 

We have a paper trail, donation, email asking for position, and position given

 

Was it "muh russians conspiracy" again?

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

What does this even mean? Seems like a sheet post, but I could be wrong

 

We have a paper trail, donation, email asking for position, and position given

 

Was is "muh russians" again?

He's saying that he thinks Trump will spend the money on stupid sheet that we don't need, I think.

[Dad]

I'm saying Trump's policy on spending is piss poor and he doesn't know how to handle money.  He's been rich for as long as he's been broke.  It's ironic that a thief knows more about money than a businessman.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

He's saying that he thinks Trump will spend the money on stupid sheet that we don't need, I think.

Maternity leave, and child tax deduction as well as student debt is stupid apparently 

I'm saying Trump's policy on spending is piss poor and he doesn't know how to handle money.  He's been rich for as long as he's been broke.  It's ironic that a thief knows more about money than a businessman.

I mean I've already explained why a wall is good for us...and spray tan is a joke I assume

 

 

So wait a second, The DNC has their own internal Voter ID System called "National ID" to track DNC votors and such but they are against Voter ID cards? MY funking SIDES ARE IN ORBIT

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

funking Unbelievable 

 

 

 

Just keep whoring

[Dad]

If those hits mean assassination targets and not media targets (literally) then it's over.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

If those hits mean assassination targets and not media targets (literally) then it's over.

 

Nah, they killed the DNC leak guy (Seth Rich) and Assnage's lawyer somehow fell in front of a train, but pretty sure those are just their contacts to run hit peices.

 

Make sense how none of them have covered the leaks yet. DNC isn't above murder but they're not stupid

Funny enough Reuter's video team has been cutting Trump feeds at opportune times so.....

 

 

 

 

The geniuses at DNC realized their emails were hacked, then EMAILED new passwords to everyone...

 

This was just too good not to post ROFL

 

 

Getting there

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I can't be the only one questioning how legit some of these wiki leaks stuff is right? Like it's all too...weird how a lot of them are worded and how they just so happen to be so damning. Like where exactly is our guarantee that these people are actually legit?

[Aerion Brightflame]

If Assange was fabricating this stuff we would have had the damming stuff far far earlier. When he actually claimed to be releasing it around the time of the DNC. 

 

Admittedly fabricating it isn't exactly something the government could disprove 'No this piece of damming evidence is untrue. I can prove it by showing you all of our internal communications including these other highly damning ones' 

 

Still, no way anyone goes down for any of this. It opens up way too many doors, because I bet this corruption is a problem shared by both sides of the isle (Hell even Trump is a little guilty of it given how many of his financial advisers were people to whom he owed something to). If you attempt to convict high level people like Obama and Hillary, they'll plead and give up dozens of other people instead regardless of how specific the evidence is for them. And everyone will be aware of that. Including members of the justice department and I'm sure some of them will be implicit in this or similar activities or even beneficiaries of it. 

 

So unless you go in and want to wipe out essentially every high level member of government and probably a lot of people in corporations who are closely linked to them, and have enough support in the justice department, and judges capable and willing to convict and enough replacements lined up, you can't fix the problems. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I can't be the only one questioning how legit some of these wiki leaks stuff is right? Like it's all too...weird how a lot of them are worded and how they just so happen to be so damning. Like where exactly is our guarantee that these people are actually legit?

Mainly because he has a 10 year perfect record and has exposed more dangerous people than HRC...like people who will actually kill you

If Assange was fabricating this stuff we would have had the damming stuff far far earlier. When he actually claimed to be releasing it around the time of the DNC. 

 

Admittedly fabricating it isn't exactly something the government could disprove 'No this piece of damming evidence is untrue. I can prove it by showing you all of our internal communications including these other highly damning ones' 

 

Still, no way anyone goes down for any of this. It opens up way too many doors, because I bet this corruption is a problem shared by both sides of the isle (Hell even Trump is a little guilty of it given how many of his financial advisers were people to whom he owed something to). If you attempt to convict high level people like Obama and Hillary, they'll plead and give up dozens of other people instead regardless of how specific the evidence is for them. And everyone will be aware of that. Including members of the justice department and I'm sure some of them will be implicit in this or similar activities or even beneficiaries of it. 

 

So unless you go in and want to wipe out essentially every high level member of government and probably a lot of people in corporations who are closely linked to them, and have enough support in the justice department, and judges capable and willing to convict and enough replacements lined up, you can't fix the problems. 

The argument that Trump has illegal stuff in his Taxes is kinda unlikely. He's been audited every year for over 20 years. If the IRS can't find anything. There likely isn't anything. He's not selling influence. You can't get him under RICO, HRC and Obama on the other hand are in dangerous water

 

I don't think the people would complain to see a mass clean out of a corrupt system

[cr47t]

By the way;

 

 

Getting there

Are you using the polls-only, polls-plus, or now-cast? We can't tell.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

By the way;

 

 

Are you using the polls-only, polls-plus, or now-cast? We can't tell.

Polls + It's more accurate for now, till we get to the election

 

New CNN polls came out like 5 minutes ago, Trump up 3 in FL and 5 in OH

 

sad part is Hillary can lose both and still win....funk you california

 

Trump's path to victory look more than plausible. From the latest polls:

FL +3

OH +5

NC +3

NV +2

IA +5

CO +2

 

Last NH poll they were tied, but that was before she insulted 1/4 of America, collapsed, and DNC leaks

 

Well all these polls are pre DNC leaks

 

 

Dems mocking their voters too. Trump getting backlash from far right for his support of maternity leave and keeping welfare state for low income 

 

 

LA times poll, more black votes than anyone in the last 40 years

[Aerion Brightflame]

Sure, the people would love it. But why would the people have a say? 

 

The same corporations that prop up and allow the purchase of/purchase political positions control the media. How do you get public support for such a thing in face of the media? Whatever prosecutor tries to convict will get smeared heavily, to the extent they will be ruined as a professional. They will construct and control the narrative because it isn't in there interests to lose control of the government. So public opinion will be against the clean-up from the off. 

 

This kind of corruption is gigantic. So gigantic that targeting Hilary or Obama does nothing, because they won't be the heads of this thing. You have to convict them, and every other politician who has bought or sold a political position for promises at any level. Any corporation that aided it. You'd have to trace all of the money to it's source. 

 

It's a gigantic case because the corruption is gigantic. It's arguably too big to convict because if you don't remove every trace of the corruption you've done nothing but make yourself feel better. 

 

Not to mention nobody wants to sue an ex-president. If Nixon gets off on Watergate (And Watergate was a more certain prosecution than this would ever be) and Bush/Cheny get away with Iraq then there's no chance in hell Obama gets convicted for this. It's not even in Trump's interests to do so if he was a president - Because him getting Obama convicted means that he would be liable for conviction for anything that went wrong in his presidency. He does not want to do that, it is not in his interests. 

 

So whilst the idea of ousting Hilary for this corruption is great, she is a crook, she should be in jail, it doesn't serve as an example and it doesn't serve as means to an end. It just makes you feel better because you dislike the woman. And you dislike Obama because he popped your political cherry. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Trump backed down on Climate change, calling it a "pressing matter" now 

 

Conservatives on suicide watch

 

It'll be a mess if loses miners in OH/PA 

 

 

Google Consumer 50 States Survey

 

Gray states don't have enough polling. If this hold, Trump basically landslided her. Seeing that all those gray states except NH (swing) are deep red

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Trump backed down on Climate change, calling it a "pressing matter" now 

 

Conservatives on suicide watch

 

It'll be a mess if loses miners in OH/PA 

It's so very hard to consider Trump changing his mind on something a good thing anymore. It's just to be expected at this point that he'll occasionally flip his views.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sure, the people would love it. But why would the people have a say? 

 

The same corporations that prop up and allow the purchase of/purchase political positions control the media. How do you get public support for such a thing in face of the media? Whatever prosecutor tries to convict will get smeared heavily, to the extent they will be ruined as a professional. They will construct and control the narrative because it isn't in there interests to lose control of the government. So public opinion will be against the clean-up from the off. 

 

This kind of corruption is gigantic. So gigantic that targeting Hilary or Obama does nothing, because they won't be the heads of this thing. You have to convict them, and every other politician who has bought or sold a political position for promises at any level. Any corporation that aided it. You'd have to trace all of the money to it's source. 

 

It's a gigantic case because the corruption is gigantic. It's arguably too big to convict because if you don't remove every trace of the corruption you've done nothing but make yourself feel better. 

 

Not to mention nobody wants to sue an ex-president. If Nixon gets off on Watergate (And Watergate was a more certain prosecution than this would ever be) and Bush/Cheny get away with Iraq then there's no chance in hell Obama gets convicted for this. It's not even in Trump's interests to do so if he was a president - Because him getting Obama convicted means that he would be liable for conviction for anything that went wrong in his presidency. He does not want to do that, it is not in his interests. 

 

So whilst the idea of ousting Hilary for this corruption is great, she is a crook, she should be in jail, it doesn't serve as an example and it doesn't serve as means to an end. It just makes you feel better because you dislike the woman. And you dislike Obama because he popped your political cherry. 

Well look at Trump, 98% small dollar donations. He's the people's man through and through. And he'll be held up to a crazy standard like all politicians should be held too. 

 

Prosecuting Obama and HRC would tell the others that NOBODY is above the law. This isn't smaller than WG. Nixon wasn't selling public office for favors.

 

This is the whoring out of America. It's a damn shame and a piss on the grave of everyone who died to protect this country.

 

Trump should still do it, I attack Obama because he betrayed me, Trump will be no different. If he fails me, I will be merciless. As will most of the Trumpsters

 

What cherry?

 

Child care

 

Trump made sure to mention that child care benefits would go to “same-sex couples” as well, thereby consummating the de-civilization agenda of the Left about raising families without a family. 

 

He's supporting us, the based baka of Trumpism :)))

 

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/how-the-hell-can-we-live-with-ourselves-levin-explodes-at-trumptitlement-bs

 

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/levin-donald-trumps-new-maternity-leave-entitlement-proposal-sucks

 

Conservatives are giving him sheet for copying Bernie (he's not, Bernie wanted like 3 months, 6 weeks is not 3 months)

 

DNC Leaks

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6kljMKYdU&feature=youtu.be

 

media being Silenced

 

HRC Emails

 

 

Plead the 5th 16 times

 

Current Standing of the electoral Map

 

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/14/wow-cnn-poll-puts-trump-three-florida-five-ohio/

 

Waiting on more polls from NH and Colorado, we got one from Colorado with Trump up 2, and DNC leaks show Dems internal polling show a deadlock

 

Hillary isn't even beating Trump with Millennials

 

Founder Of Black Men For Bernie starting endorsing Trump

 

http://archive.is/6MT6F#selection-2411.1-2411.34

 

Trump's recent uptick of Black support is all men, he actually went down with Black women

It's so very hard to consider Trump changing his mind on something a good thing anymore. It's just to be expected at this point that he'll occasionally flip his views.

He's a businessman, you need to keep negotiating 

[Aerion Brightflame]

You missed the point - It doesn't matter if Hilary and Obama take a fall for the corruption. The problem won't stop, it's too widespread. It's like trying to clear a garden of weeds. You can remove the really big ones that people notice, and it'll make a difference for a while. But eventually all the little ones you didn't bother to get rid of will grow and replace them. Say you decide instead to remove all the weeds, but you don't deal with the roots. They weeds will just come back. 

 

You have to remove ALL the corruption. Not make an example, not just cut the heads off, you have to go deep. You have to rewrite legislature, you have to change the political culture. You have to essentially rework the American political system from the ground up because the problem is endemic. Money begets influence which begets political favours which begets power which begets more influence. 

 

You have to find a way to separate money from politics entirely. Trump cannot do that. Because Trump is a billionaire businessman whose had close relationship with members of the government for years. He will have been part of the problem, and nothing about Trump suggests he altruistic enough to cut the heart out of the problem. He does not benefit from doing so - And this is man who allowed his wife to use his own foundation to spend 20 grand on a 6 foot painting of himself among other things. The only time he is an altruist is when he spends other people's money.

 

Hilary and Obama aren't responsible for this - This is not an overnight thing, this has been a slow perversion of American politics for decades. It was happening in the Bush era - Cheney pushed Bush to go to war whilst also ensuring that relevant defence contracts went to companies he had a share in as well as ensuring his companies provided the relevant arms. 

 

Prosecuting Hilary and Obama doesn't send the message 'Oh anyone can go down for this' because they are cogs. They are replaceable parts in the machine, because so many politicians would do the things they do in equivalent levels of power. It's how it works. Do you know what would send a message? The justice department follows the money, and then convicts the individuals who bought the damn positions and who are influencing the politics and locks them up. And it keeps doing so. 

 

I didn't say that this was smaller than Watergate, I said that Watergate was the more certain conviction. There is a difference. The Justice Department won't take a swing at a major politician unless it's a certain conviction, there is too much to lose. The justice department would lose credibility and have it's power obliterated whenever the office next fell into the hands of the opposition. 

 

And by cherry I mean that Obama 'betrayed you'. You were new to politics, and told Obama would give you the world, and then he didn't. So you get pissed at him, but the reality of politics is that in order for it to work everyone should be disappointed. But instead of taking that lesson, you've ironically run into the arms of another guy promising the world. Which is hilarious. 

 

Essentially, I think you are underestimating the extent of the problem, and falsely assigning the major part of the blame to the wrong people. The problem is, as ever, the money and where that comes from. You have to entirely eliminate money in politics. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2016/09/15/donald_trump_foreign_policy_right_economy_112046.html

 

A pretty intriguing take on it from an old CIA.

 

Will update post as I finish getting all the wikileaks on election fraud