[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Wait, isn't Indiana the state that hasn't passed a budget in a year or so? If so, doesn't that reflect poorly on Pence?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Wait, isn't Indiana the state that hasn't passed a budget in a year or so? If so, doesn't that reflect poorly on Pence?

Everything reflects poor on pence

 

And the VP debate probs will too.

 

But hey, he's beating Hillary in the LA times poll, overcoming a 11 point deficit, even after the Sander's Endorsement. So clearly I'm not one to understand Trump's brilliance

 

It's literally a way appease the social conservatives >_>

 

I'm sad, but it's to be expected

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Coming from me this might be surprising. But Trump is kinda lying on Jobs.

 

When he promises SC and NC that the textile jobs are coming back. He's speaking a half-truth. Yes to a degree the US is such a powerful economic powerhouse that most countries cannot afford to snub us, (much like England and the EU). Yes we can make new alliances and fight off reverse-tariffs. But at the end of the day, we really cannot easily complete with the textile industry of the East. 

 

When Trump promises jobs, he's doing a more realistic from of what Hillary wants to do. Hillary wants to train people to make solar panels and such. A tall order from people who were in the shirt making industry. Trump wants them to do infrastructure. Construction is less of jump, but granted not as educational. We have an unemployed population that needs some manner of job, and I feel it's really unfair to promise them some age old unrealistic glory.

 

Now, we CAN take back those industries (just not the jobs). With technological advances, we can beat the 20 Cents a hour wages of China and such, with 3-D printers. This would allow us to be a net exporter in those regards. But it won't create new jobs. It will create wealth, which can be re-invested or given out as tax cuts, but it won't create jobs in those areas.

 

Clarification maybe, but something I felt needed to be said

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not going to lie, that 60 minutes interview was rough

 

Trumps not good at sharing the stage, Pence is a rough fits due to the Iraq War. They might be able to congeal on Immigration Ban, AIT and Trade but trump lost a major + on the war

 

Still say Corker or Flynn would have helped more, but maybe Pence will shore up support? Dunno, the never trump ring leaders are still quite active :/

If you're a democrat. This is great news. Pick Kane, carry Virginia, and counteract a messy couple

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

God, they need to hang the funking writer for this

 

I'm heartbroken

 

Karma for Cruz's wife I guess

[cr47t]

God, they need to hang the f***ing writer for this

 

I'm heartbroken

 

Karma for Cruz's wife I guess

Wait what are you talking about?

[Aerion Brightflame]

Wait what are you talking about?

 

Melena Trump, in her grand speech at the RNC did two amazing things. One she copied a large Michelle Obama's 2008 speech (And then claimed in a pre recorded broadcast that this was entirely her own work), and two she Rick-Rolled the entire RNC. On live television, and twitch. 

 

http://i.imgur.com/izGwe8C.jpg- Notice the similarities between the two speeches?

 

And the aformentioned Rick roll - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3IaR3mU-BA

 

It won't make any difference to Trumps base because those people will vote for him regardless of any flaws, but it's still fantastic to watch. 

[Wizarus]

So she's lying regardless. I wouldn't expect her to catch Obama's portion of the speech if she didn't actually write it and do research on other first ladies, but I would have expected her to at least go over it and catch the rickroll.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Interesting little part that I doubt the Media will report on

 

This was from Donald Jr. Speech

[Wizarus]

To be fair, that may have been the only thing close to a policy I've heard so far from watching the RNC.

[Aerion Brightflame]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288471-report-trump-camp-offered-to-make-kasich-most-powerful-vp

 

Reconsider Trumps announced VP with this idea in mind. Since if this is true, you aren't electing Trump you are electing his VP. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288471-report-trump-camp-offered-to-make-kasich-most-powerful-vp

 

Reconsider Trumps announced VP with this idea in mind. Since if this is true, you aren't electing Trump you are electing his VP. 

That was in May, the Republican platform has since shed many of the things Kasich would like (such as removing anti-Russia sentiment from the Platform)

 

There's obv someone advising Trump...I don't see why this is an issue

 

Are you trying to suggest that Pence would be the one in power? lmao

 

Like Jesus, there are some real problems w/ the Trump campaign that you could be pointing out (like how horrible their ground team is)...it seems really silly to go after this stuff of all things

[Aerion Brightflame]

Winter did you read the article: For all intents and purposes Trump's intention at one point was to have his VP be the effective president of the United States. Not 'advise' Trump on the issues of foreign and domestic policy, but to actually be in charge of them. The essential functions of the office - Deciding the direction in which the US would be moving in, he would essentially delegate to his second, in favour of him focusing on something entirely nondescript in the line 'Making America Great'.

 

How is the fact that the man you want as President at a recent point within this cycle was freely offering to delegate what are essentially the duties of the office not a big warning sign? Or worrying? How do you know that he hasn't made the exact same deal with Pence? 

 

This isn't a criticism of the campaign, this is a criticism of the man. The implications of the article screams that Trump wants the position simply for the sake of having it, not for the sake of actually benefiting the nation. 

 

But hell, that is entirely within the character of the man - He lives for publicity and will take credit for anything he can. 

 

EDIT: And it was an offer that came from his f***ing son of all people. It is insanity. But at the very least it implies the actual VP will have powers far beyond the initial scope of the office. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Winter did you read the article: For all intents and purposes Trump's intention at one point was to have his VP be the effective president of the United States. Not 'advise' Trump on the issues of foreign and domestic policy, but to actually be in charge of them. The essential functions of the office - Deciding the direction in which the US would be moving in, he would essentially delegate to his second, in favour of him focusing on something entirely nondescript in the line 'Making America Great'.

 

How is the fact that the man you want as President at a recent point within this cycle was freely offering to delegate what are essentially the duties of the office not a big warning sign? Or worrying? How do you know that he hasn't made the exact same deal with Pence? 

 

This isn't a criticism of the campaign, this is a criticism of the man. The implications of the article screams that Trump wants the position simply for the sake of having it, not for the sake of actually benefiting the nation. 

 

But hell, that is entirely within the character of the man - He lives for publicity and will take credit for anything he can. 

 

EDIT: And it was an offer that came from his f***ing son of all people. It is insanity. But at the very least it implies the actual VP will have powers far beyond the initial scope of the office. 

I mean I did. I just really don't care that much. Unlike the Judge Issue or him failing to use Brexit and other favorable issues, it's no biggie

 

I care about Trump's polices, I admire the man for having the courage to go against the republicans on so much, idc who gets those policies enacted.

 

How do I know that Pence isn't the one running the show? Cause Pence has been backtracking on his views towards those of the Don recently. Which brings me back to my original pt. Idc who enacts these policies as long as they get enacted

 

Trumpism goes beyond the man, and needs to win if this country is to change at all

 

You make it sound like there wasn't any backroom talks between other President's and VP's...I'm really not sure why anyone would place faith in some hush hush anon kasich dude talking about 3rd hand convos riddled with vagueness

 

Again, Trump has real faults, don't make the same mistake the media is doing by focusing in on non issues (like melania) and missing the big picture 

[cr47t]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-vice-president/

[cr47t]

Bump. It's my thread.

 

Also, read this and post here about it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-breen/take-trump-at-his-word-and-choice-becomes-clear_b_11094818.html

[Aerion Brightflame]

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

 

This is a far more interesting read than yet another Donald Trump scare story that tries to paint people as an idiot for voting for him. That's a bad approach. This article is essentially a character study of the man written by the Ghostwriter of the book that made him famous, Art of the Deal. 

 

It's also I believe the only media story that caused Trump to actually drop a few points, because it speaks better than any to the character of the man, rather than trying to paint the voters as idiots for believing him. 

 

So do read, it is very interesting. 

[cr47t]

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

 

This is a far more interesting read than yet another Donald Trump scare story that tries to paint people as an idiot for voting for him. That's a bad approach. This article is essentially a character study of the man written by the Ghostwriter of the book that made him famous, Art of the Deal. 

 

It's also I believe the only media story that caused Trump to actually drop a few points, because it speaks better than any to the character of the man, rather than trying to paint the voters as idiots for believing him. 

 

So do read, it is very interesting.

You are right Tom, the story you found is better than the one I found. I read it and also found this one. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-threatens-the-ghostwriter-of-the-art-of-the-deal

 

Discuss the two articles.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Really guys? The guy oozes a desperate desire to make a failed attention grab.

[Brinolovania]

Really guys? The guy oozes a desperate desire to make a failed attention grab.

Funnily enough, that's how I'd describe most of Trumps campaign. 'Cept his attention grab succeeded, of course.

 

But yeah I don't see any reason to believe the guys is just doing this for attention.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Really guys? The guy oozes a desperate desire to make a failed attention grab.

Sure. But it doesn't change the guys credibility to talk on Trump's character, given the man was the Ghost Writer for Trumps book and sold out to do so essentially. 

 

The point Winter, rather than dismissing it because it doesn't fit your narrative of the man, or dismissing the argument is to discuss the information presented, and how it may or may not effect your perception of the man. 

 

If you aren't willing to discuss that sort of thing, on a fairly unique character piece that is not actually flat out insulting Trump and his supporters as idiots, what's the point in posting here? It's more interesting than discussing all the minutea of Trump's campaign - This is a fantastic indication as to how the man may act if he wins. That's hugely relevant. 

 

So what do these implications mean to you as a dedicated Trump supporter? Do they worry you? Do they make you question things? 

 

The worst thing to do is just dismiss the article on the basis of it being an attention grab. Even if it is an attention grab you can discern useful information about Trump the man from it

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sure. But it doesn't change the guys credibility to talk on Trump's character, given the man was the Ghost Writer for Trumps book and sold out to do so essentially. 

 

The point Winter, rather than dismissing it because it doesn't fit your narrative of the man, or dismissing the argument is to discuss the information presented, and how it may or may not effect your perception of the man. 

 

If you aren't willing to discuss that sort of thing, on a fairly unique character piece that is not actually flat out insulting Trump and his supporters as idiots, what's the point in posting here? It's more interesting than discussing all the minutea of Trump's campaign - This is a fantastic indication as to how the man may act if he wins. That's hugely relevant. 

 

So what do these implications mean to you as a dedicated Trump supporter? Do they worry you? Do they make you question things? 

 

The worst thing to do is just dismiss the article on the basis of it being an attention grab. Even if it is an attention grab you can discern useful information about Trump the man from it

I mean it's not that Tom. He talks a lot about how he felt shitty about Trump from the get go. But only now comes for a publicity scoop? If this will someone like Bill Maher who has been calling Trump a jabroni for ages, then yeh, I'd buy that. The guy has happily been making the money off the royalty and now thinks it's a good time to come forward

 

It sounds a lot like the NYT hit-piece about women Trump slept with a while back.

 

But if you're going to come after me on being blind about Trump, where the man IS losing me, is specifics. They're there, but he's not saying them and leaving the fill in the blanks for people like me and others who like the end result. I want THAT to change in him

 

I'm honestly a little offended you're making it sound like I dismiss any critique of Trump. I really hope you didn't mean it that way. Or if you did, I want some reasoning

[Aerion Brightflame]

I didn't say you dismiss all criticism of Trump, I was talking specifically about this piece. Because how many character pieces from people who'd likely have semi-intimate knowledge of the man are there? Even if it is just a publicity grab there is still useful information to discuss from it. 

 

What if he really does have such a small attention span? Or his tendency to get so personal when challenged? What are the implications of that on him in the situation room say? The fact he's not as self made as he claims, does that not impact on people's impressions of him being this master dealer? 
 

Whether or not this guy is doing it for publicity (The fact he hadn't been paraded around all forms of media kinda suggests otherwise), there is still merit in considering it, because it's a character piece from a man who was close enough to Trump for it to matter. How many others of those are there around? Attention grabbing or not, it's an immensely useful piece because of it's nature. 

 

It's more interesting to discuss and consider than another random story about the Trump campaign. 

[Wizarus]

The RNC is over. Apart from a few offensive moments, some resistance to Trump, and some wtf moments, the convention was overall not that good. It was alot of business people/semi-celebrities talking about how great Trump is, mixed in with a huge amount of fear-mongery. Most of the speakers were dull and uninspriring; there were a few decent ones like Christie, but if it wasnt for twitch chat I probably would have lost interest. A number of people who lost their loved ones were exploited on stage by those who organized the RNC on the first day and it honestly made me sick. There were attempts to cater to minorities, women, LGBT, and non-Christians, I dont think it went too well, especially when the crowd wasn't with them. And yes, the crowd had an uncontrollable urge to chant USA, or "lock her up", over and over and over again.

 

Pence speech was super solid, although fairly generic. Trump speech wasn't that good IMO. It had a few decent lines like the system is broken, Wall Street and big business vote Hillary to keep it that way, she's a puppet to them, Bernie never stood a chance because of the system, I know the system so I can fix it, etc. But the speech was fairly repetitive, or at least alot of it was what we already heard or knew. Trump's delivery is a big problem though, he just sucks at it. It was made even worse by the speech being leaked and almost all of it, save for some bits at  the end, was read word for word and with almost no charisma. They really need to train him, especially for the debates.

 

DNC next week, I honestly expect it to be a really safe, boring convention.

[cr47t]

RNC is over, was a mess imo.

 

Also, fact checking for Donald Trump's speech for whoever would like it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/07/22/fact-checking-donald-trumps-acceptance-speech-at-the-2016-rnc/