[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

understandable i guess, but i still think hes curving to hard right now. it's easy to see, and it's definitely going to be a turnoff to many current, and potential supporters, especially those who aren't following all to closely.

 

 

the problem is that the way he presented it really does weaken his overall stance, i can see the sentiment remains, but it's being presented completely wrong. he has to keep the steel in his stance visible, while stressing that he is not unwilling to give chance to those who are actively productive. that's why changing what he calls it to such a degree is a bad move. he will lose his presence if he softens his voice, the way things are going, like it or not, the only person stopping trumps' momentum, is trump, and sadly, he's doing it far too well.

 

i'd assume that comes with the ideal already, no point making a wall if there's alternate tunnels.

 

 

brexit was really good for trump, and the call for recount might actually solidify him with those Americans with similar mindsets to the leave campaign, they aren't connected at the hip, but the overall sentiment can only help him so far as anti-establishment goes. and even on the other side, those Americans who were for the remain side, but see the recount call as childish might actually develop some common ground. it's really only gonna help him as long as he himself doesn't try to milk it completely. touch on it, but leave it alone for the most part, let the media do it for him.

 

his muslim policy has the same steel it's always had, so there's that going for him. it was handled far more rigidly than his overall illegal immigration plans, and that's what he needs right now. it's fine to lean a bit, but keep things as rigid as he can, or it'll come back to bite him.

 

eh, either way, time'll tell i guess.

Hmm, how exactly would you say it? I really don't see the issue with saying people who have only contributed good to this country can stay. Racists might, and yes there are people like that who support Trump, but the alternative is Hillary who said nothing at all.

 

 

That really doesn't sound too bad imo. I'm sure he'll play it up if it causes too many problems. But Trump was always a negotiator. Might as well go to the table with a full set of demands and haggle. I think everyone knows by now that I'm no freind of illegal immigration, but it was never feasible. We simply cannot deport 11 million + people that easily. I don't think he'll get too much grief for this one, and if he does, he can just fall back on the I don't want to seem heartless play.

 

As for brexit, absolutely. I keep saying it. The labor party crossover for leave is VERY similar to white liberals democrats in the rust belt

 

Trump's problem is now Florida 

 

But guess Time Will Tell ...and by time I mean polls next week

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Trump's edge over Hillary is gone. He collapsed in Penn, Florida, Ohio, and Iowa (my home state)

 

Guess my vote might be needed this year

 

But these polls were pre-brexit and pre laxing on Muslims&Mexicans

[vla1ne]

well, there's still a lot of time till the election. both sides have room to raise their image. not to mention the debates are going to be more interesting than usual this year.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

well, there's still a lot of time till the election. both sides have room to raise their image. not to mention the debates are going to be more interesting than usual this year.

I'm not sure he can get over his image at this point, if brexit goes sour then that might linger to hurt him too

 

I really want to see what post brexit polls look like

[cr47t]

I really want to see what post brexit polls look like

Yeah... that would be nice.

 

Don't know what to say except that I might side with her (hillary) once the dem's convention is over and Sanders still isn't the nominee.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Yeah... that would be nice.

 

Don't know what to say except that I'll be with her once the dem's convention is over and Sanders still isn't the nominee.

Hmm, you must really like putting someone owned by people who sheet on you in power

[cr47t]

Hmm, you must really like putting someone owned by people who s*** on you in power

I don't, actually.

 

Thinking about it now, I'm not so sure if I'll side with Clinton or go undecided.This election is boiling down to someone who is owned by the 1% vs someone who is part of the 1%

 

Idk really. I just wish Sanders was the nominee :P

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I don't, actually.

 

Thinking about it now, I'm not so sure if I'll side with Clinton or go undecided.This election is boiling down to someone who is owned by the 1% vs someone who is part of the 1%

 

Idk really. I just wish Sanders was the nominee :P

I still don't get it. Trump has shunned the rest of the 1% and has no favor to them

 

Him being in the 1% is good for us, cause he knows exactly how they work, we might as well have an insider leading us 

 

He's softened his policies w/ regards to Muslims and Immigrants

 

He's basically taken up Sander's economic polices 

 

He's not gonna throw us into another war in the ME

 

What more do you want

[cr47t]

I still don't get it. Trump has shunned the rest of the 1% and has no favor to them

 

He's softened his policies w/ regards to Muslims and Immigrants

 

He's basically taken up Sander's economic polices 

 

He's not gonna throw us into another war in the ME

 

What more do you want

 

I have no way to know if he's gonna hold up on those (but then again I could say the same for Clinton)

[Nathanael D. Striker]

 

The Democratic National Convention Drafting Committee has approved a draft of the Democratic platform – which now goes before the entire platform committee. The draft opposes the death penalty (which Clinton supports under certain circumstances); opposes fracking; and supports a $15 minimum wage, a carbon tax, legislation similar to the Glass-Steagall Wall Street reform Act, expanded Social Security, improving the nation's infrastructure, a multi-millionaire surtax, and an expanded Earned Income Tax Credit for childless workers.

All well and good.

But the Clinton majority on the committee outvoted the Sanders delegates 10-5 on the Trans Pacific Partnership -- rejecting language specifically opposing the deal. Instead, the majority substituted generic language urging that trade deals protect workers’ rights and the environment, and asserting that Democrats are divided on trade. (Not quite true. A year ago, 85 percent of House Democrats voted against a fast track on the TPP).

If enacted, the TPP would make a mockery of much of the rest of the putative Democratic platform. For example, there’s no way the U.S. can achieve adequate fossil-fuel reduction when the TPP gives fossil-fuel companies the right to sue any partner nation whose higher environmental standards threaten their future profits (just a few days ago, Trans Canada sued the United States for $15 billion, based on NAFTA provisions, arguing that the United States was in violation of the rules and now owed it for future lost profits).

The TPP would also cost American jobs. Donald Trump is already attacking Hillary Clinton for her initial support of the TPP, alleging she’d sign it if she’s elected president. Trump will get more ammunition if the Democratic National Committee approves the platform draft.

What do you think?

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/06/democratic-platform-2016-barbara-lee-224823#ixzz4CuXiYzYm

 

 

 

Some food for thought from Robert Reich, and it seems Sanders is getting stuff done.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I have no way to know if he's gonna hold up on those (but then again I could say the same for Clinton)

Paul Ryan said he would sue Trump and impeach him

 

Half the republicans hate Trump 

 

If anything, he gets the wall passed, I don't see the rest happening

Some food for thought from Robert Reich, and it seems Sanders is getting stuff done.

It's honestly baffling why sanders people would want Hillary over Trump based on the last few days

 

As for your post, Trump had the jobs report and state dep reports too, and he blew it going after some Indiana judge instead

 

Don't underestimate Trump's ability to kill himself

[cr47t]

Paul Ryan said he would sue Trump and impeach him

 

Half the republicans hate Trump 

 

If anything, he gets the wall passed, I don't see the rest happening

It's hard to even imagine the wall getting passed. let alone completed

 

I kinda have faith in Congress stopping Trump's bad stuff from getting passed if Trump's elected. Stop letting us down, Congress

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's hard to even imagine the wall getting passed. let alone completed

 

I kinda have faith in Congress stopping Trump's bad stuff from getting passed if Trump's elected. Stop letting us down, Congress

Wall is easy to justify.

 

You have people who want non-demeaning Jobs

 

Construction isn't demeaning.

 

Unemployment down

[cr47t]

Wall is easy to justify.

 

You have people who want non-demeaning Jobs

 

Construction isn't demeaning.

 

Unemployment down

How do you convince Mexico to pay for the thing? Are they even going to afford it? What about the people out of jobs who aint even close to the border and can't get a construction job? You see, the whole wall thing has a LOT of uncertainties about itself.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Wall is easy to justify.

 

You have people who want non-demeaning Jobs

 

Construction isn't demeaning.

 

Unemployment down

 

You do realize the wall would be extremely expensive, right? What do you suggest, decrease Defense spending?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

How do you convince Mexico to pay for the thing? Are they even going to afford it? What about the people out of jobs who aint even close to the border and can't get a construction job? You see, the whole wall thing has a LOT of uncertainties about itself.

Withhold transfer payments to Mexico, threaten a trade w/ Mexico. Engage in one if needed.

 

Think of the CCC. It's gonna be a multi billion dollar Govenment expenditure, we don't need Mexico to pay for all of it, just a bit. Also you're forgetting the multiplier effect. Not only is it a construction project you need to make the ingredients, Steel, Concrete, etc. It would revitalize the dying working class even if not everyone can go to the border.

You do realize the wall would be extremely expensive, right? What do you suggest, decrease Defense spending?

Absolutely. We don't need excessive foreign presence when we're dying from the inside

 

Let the Saudi's deal with the Middle East. Let the East deal with NK. We're not the world's policeman

Hell Brexit is doing the right thing, we should devalue the dollar so we can export more easily. As a person living in the MidWest we can export a lot but we're not manipulating the dollar correctly do to so

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Absolutely. We don't need excessive foreign presence when we're dying from the inside

 

Let the Saudi's deal with the Middle East. Let the East deal with NK. We're not the world's policeman

Hell Brexit is doing the right thing, we should devalue the dollar so we can export more easily. As a person living in the MidWest we can export a lot but we're not manipulating the dollar correctly do to so

 

I would honestly cut Defense Spending in order to help pay for basic single payer health care tbh, but at least we agree that Defense Spending should be cut.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/28/five-takeaways-from-donald-trumps-trade-speech/

[Aerion Brightflame]

Or more likely the US just imports all the materials and absolutely no progress is made towards increasing american jobs once the project is over beyond the border patrols. Unless you keep the jobs going somewhere else by funding say housing construction, it'll be a temporary bump in employment. The irony is you'd probably see Mexican immigrants do most of the work on the wall off camera because they would be heading to the border anyway so why not give them a job for cheap? 

 

And you don't have anything near the infrastructure to warrant an export focused currency or anywhere near enough goods and services to export. The UK sure as hell doesn't and I think we have twice as much as you do as a proportion of our GDP. (28.4% to 13.4%). That's not enough to warrant devaluing your money. 

 

It would, as is the case for the UK, take decades to bring your manufacturing industry up to snuff. Especially since I think you are still lacking in the raw materials for a lot of it, so you have to import it anyway before you can manufacture, so you have to either up the efficiency of what you are making, or up the quality. Neither of which the US is currently leading in. 

[vla1ne]

doesn't mean we can't do it though. in addition, you are correct when you say that it would be a temporary jump in employment, but at the same time, those efforts (importing, constructing, planning, ect) would still give us jobs for at least two to three years to come, not to mention if maintenance upon said wall were continued, and not a one off thing, there's be a few more solid jobs at the end of the tunnel as well.  not bad at all considering, there's a lot of extra money in the US budget that is being squandered in all the wrong ways (social security, defense spending, ect.), if trump were to propose budgets shifting all of that around, he'd have a strong case for paying for the wall, and even after that, he could refunnel all, if not most of the allocated wall spending into a new payment plan for the US debt, or reform social security, welfare, and other assistance programs to be more efficient. 

 

but this is all assuming congress isn't just going to cockblock everything he does.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Or more likely the US just imports all the materials and absolutely no progress is made towards increasing american jobs once the project is over beyond the border patrols. Unless you keep the jobs going somewhere else by funding say housing construction, it'll be a temporary bump in employment. The irony is you'd probably see Mexican immigrants do most of the work on the wall off camera because they would be heading to the border anyway so why not give them a job for cheap? 

 

And you don't have anything near the infrastructure to warrant an export focused currency or anywhere near enough goods and services to export. The UK sure as hell doesn't and I think we have twice as much as you do as a proportion of our GDP. (28.4% to 13.4%). That's not enough to warrant devaluing your money. 

 

It would, as is the case for the UK, take decades to bring your manufacturing industry up to snuff. Especially since I think you are still lacking in the raw materials for a lot of it, so you have to import it anyway before you can manufacture, so you have to either up the efficiency of what you are making, or up the quality. Neither of which the US is currently leading in. 

1) Yes, housing construction, power-plant (ideally nuclear) construction, other infrastructural construction. Bridges, Bypasses, etc. We're only deporting criminals Tom, the ideal is to kick out all the illegals, but it's infeasible, and frankly cruel in many cases. The only Hispanics we would be employing are those unemployed ones in NM/AZ...which is honestly fine, better they work than not. Also the employment up north would be through steel and other industries

 

2) Midwest exports a fair amount of food to the world. Florida and Cali are amazing grounds for that. Also

 

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=20992

 

Keystone will need to be approved too

 

3) It won't happen right away, but decades might not be needed if we start pushing people towards higher skill occupations while progressing towards a more mechanized mechanical labor force. The temp boom will likely be enough to get them on their feet and give them something to hold while we make sure their children won't have to be in the same situation. 

 

Also a depreciating currency is ripe for wealth redistribution at the end of the day, since IK that's a concern of yours as well

[VCR_CAT]

Re: the wall, these are some estimates/figures on the overall cost to build and maintain the infamous wall: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html

 

Simply put, I don't think it'll be as simple as just cutting spending on defense. It's hella expensive, and kind of very impractical.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Re: the wall, these are some estimates/figures on the overall cost to build and maintain the infamous wall: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html

 

Simply put, I don't think it'll be as simple as just cutting spending on defense. It's hella expensive, and kind of very impractical.

Transfer payments to Mexico shall be withheld till they pay some of the bill

 

12-25 Bill was the original estimate anyway, 12 being Trump's optimistic, 17 being realistic

 

There's some solid evidence behind the claim that mexico is instructing people on how to cross, and thus making an example out of mexico is kinda needed to maintain dignity

[cr47t]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-interviews-clinton-over-email/2016/07/02/dd024480-4074-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Nothing would make my day more than her getting indited and STILL running. I can already hear Bernie's Prayers that she get prosecuted so that he can swoop in and save the day :)