[RESULTS ARE FINAL] 2016 Election for President of the United States | Donald Trump Victory

[Phantom Roxas]

CNN decided to be doggish apparently.  Sumn' about a reporter questioning Trump 23 times and he basically didn't give a straight answer.

You can see it yourself here.

 

I usually try to minimize how much of Trump's behavior I look at, but that… ugh, that was the worst possible thing. He was incredibly condescending to Jake Tapper. Trump treated him like a child who needed his hand held. Jake Tapper has been one of my favorite reporters throughout this election.

[bury the year]

Delegate update from the Dem side.

 

Virgin Islands (June 4) - Clinton picks up all 7. Unsurprising: Sanders actually lost a VI superdelegate when he was unable to give a clear answer on how he'd fix the economic downturn currently hitting the islands, in contrast to Clinton literally presenting him with a bullet point list showing her plans. Goes to show that Sanders seems to lack knowledge on the finer, more minute aspects of what the presidency would entail.

 

Puerto Rico (June 5) - Clinton gets 31, Sanders 16. The 2:1 ratio was pretty much what I expected.

 

Including superdelegates who've voiced their support, Clinton is now 28 away from the magic threshold of 2383. She will most certainly reach that number on Tuesday, and I expect her to cross the threshold with regular delegates off of results in CA and NJ (although I say that with less certainty than this time two weeks ago). Judging by Sanders' previous primary and demographic wins, he'll most likely sweep ND, SD and MT, but that won't be enough; and DC a week later will be the door hitting him on the way out.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Apperently Hillary won?

 

Sanders counting on the super delegates is kinda a low move. Asking her to reach the majority based on a value calculated using the supers is kinda silly

 

But I hope he stays in and maybe even that he wins cali

[bury the year]

Apperently Hillary won?

 

Sanders counting on the super delegates is kinda a low move. Asking her to reach the majority based on a value calculated using the supers is kinda silly

 

But I hope he stays in and maybe even that he wins cali

Same thing happened with Obama around June 3 last year... If they're being "silly," at least it's consistent.

 

But Clinton's apparently pissed off at the media for presenting it like this. She's now concerned that primary participation in CA will suffer as a result.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Ah the Bush strategy - Have the media call your victory even if you haven't actually won and people will make it so. 

 

Nice to see them reusing such classics so early on. 

[cr47t]

Ah the Bush strategy - Have the media call your victory even if you haven't actually won and people will make it so. 

 

Nice to see them reusing such classics so early on. 

Yeah this sicks. It better not decrease voter turnout in California.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sen. Mark Kirk reverses decision to endorse Trump

 

I'm honestly not sure what the hell Trump is doing with this Judge thing 

 

I for one agree with and disagree with Trump. Trump does have some policies that might bias a person of Hispanic decent, that being said, his lawyers filed no motion to recuse the Judge (if his concern was indeed a fair trial)

 

So I have difficulty trusting this is all him worrying about a fair trial

 

The Judge on the other hand, while affiliated with groups that have clashed with Trump, has also been exceedingly just w/ regards to his cases (hell the cartels put a price on his head and he still gave a just judgment) thus far. I do think that the media is spinning this to make Trump a racist, something I don't agree with. But he's not helping. Newt and many people who WERE supporting him have dissavoved. And that's a sign. It's a bit sad to see since he was on an uphill IMO

 

But I will agree Trump is being boneheaded here. 

[Goose]

Well those were interesting primaries.

[epicmemesbro]

If the democrats really want to win, Sanders should drop out and endorse Hillary. Of course that isn't the case, he wants to keep going till Philadelphia. Another issue is that a lot of Sanders supporters will not go for Hillary which means a decreased voter turnout for the Democrats. I already know of many that have given up at this point. Many folks that I know of who usually vote are not going to this time around as well. 

[vla1ne]

If the democrats really want to win, Sanders should drop out and endorse Hillary. Of course that isn't the case, he wants to keep going till Philadelphia. Another issue is that a lot of Sanders supporters will not go for Hillary which means a decreased voter turnout for the Democrats. I already know of many that have given up at this point. Many folks that I know of who usually vote are not going to this time around as well. 

it's already stopped being democrats vs. republicans and it's about time the democratic side has split up into multiple groups with varied interests, it's big business, censorship, peoples rights, religious freedom, intolerant tolerance, and a bunch of other things all rolling up into a massive clusterfuck on both sides. nobody's willing to back down because the ideals shared, even within the same parties are now torn up. and bernie himself might still ave a shot if he's relying on hillary getting taken to court for her past misconducts. it might be a low method, but it's his best only shot at this point.

 

tbh, this might be the best year to get into voting, because the fallout from this is likely to cause a few more noticeable cracks in the two party system.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

it's already stopped being democrats vs. republicans and it's about time the democratic side has split up into multiple groups with varied interests, it's big business, censorship, peoples rights, religious freedom, intolerant tolerance, and a bunch of other things all rolling up into a massive clusterfuck on both sides. nobody's willing to back down because the ideals shared, even within the same parties are now torn up. and bernie himself might still ave a shot if he's relying on hillary getting taken to court for her past misconducts. it might be a low method, but it's his best only shot at this point.

 

tbh, this might be the best year to get into voting, because the fallout from this is likely to cause a few more noticeable cracks in the two party system.

45% of Americans want a 3rd Party to run

 

Libertarians are getting close to being able to be on the debate stage

 

This year is history, as you noted, in many ways

[Aerion Brightflame]

It's not as simple as just having a third party running. Like a third party candidate running as president changes nothing  - You still have a two party system, just with a potentially random president. You'll still have FPTP which will eventually reduce you back down to a two party system - That's simply how that electoral model works. 

 

If you want a representitive government system, you need reform to happen to change things.

[Goose]

It's not as simple as just having a third party running. Like a third party candidate running as president changes nothing - You still have a two party system, just with a potentially random president. You'll still have FPTP which will eventually reduce you back down to a two party system - That's simply how that electoral model works.

 

If you want a representitive government system, you need reform to happen to change things.

Not necessarily. Just look at Canada.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Not necessarily. Just look at Canada.

 

Canada is an odd exception. But by and large FPTP leads towards two party systems. And introducing a third party at the presidential election is not the time to do it, you'd do it when there are seats up for grab in congress say so this third party actually has a semblance of power in the legislature. As opposed to just the executive branch. 

[cr47t]

Can someone tell me what FPTP is and how it works anyways?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Can someone tell me what FPTP is and how it works anyways?

 

FPTP means First Past The Post. Essentially, it is Winner Takes All. It is the system the United States and other countries use for elections.

[cr47t]

FPTP means First Past The Post. Essentially, it is Winner Takes All. It is the system the United States and other countries use for elections.

Uhhhhh ok but how dows it work?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Uhhhhh ok but how dows it work?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting

 

People vote for one candidate per election race. Person with the most votes wins the election.

[Christian Exodia]

The Libertarians are trying to get a foothold now at a... weak... time for the old guard. 

 

Trump is felling his opponents left and right (*pun*). Clinton has (had?) a huge challenge in Bernie.

 

Johnson and his crew are trying to appeal to those who feel that they are being shafted by this system as well as those running. This year is history because it is showing the weakness of the two ruling political parties.

 

I really like it.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

The Libertarians are trying to get a foothold now at a... weak... time for the old guard. 

 

Trump is felling his opponents left and right (*pun*). Clinton has (had?) a huge challenge in Bernie.

 

Johnson and his crew are trying to appeal to those who feel that they are being shafted by this system as well as those running. This year is history because it is showing the weakness of the two ruling political parties.

 

I really like it.

 

You know, Sanders supporters can fuel the Green Party. Yea, things are getting interesting. While it may boil down to Democrats vs Republicans, the Libertarians and Green Party should have a strong showing this year.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Good God not Green's. 

 

I know the green party morally is a nice third option so we can feel good about wanting to save the planet and such, but if they are anything like the British Green Party policies border on the insane financially. Like there are people who argued about how implausible Sander's free education idea was, well Green Party policies would make that seem like a sure and certain idea. 

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Good God not Green's. 

 

I know the green party morally is a nice third option so we can feel good about wanting to save the planet and such, but if they are anything like the British Green Party policies border on the insane financially. Like there are people who argued about how implausible Sander's free education idea was, well Green Party policies would make that seem like a sure and certain idea. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States

 

Hopefully this helps. I got some reading to do myself.

[Dad]

Sanders has backed Clinton.  But considering most of the Dem's can't stand Clinton, Trump can take this pretty easily.  Same the party couldn't work together.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Most of the Republicans hate Trump as well. 

 

What happens now, is as expected, the party will turn and rally behind her and nothing will change. It happened to the Republicans despite many months of campaigning and vilifying him. 

 

Because all of the issues the party once had now fall short compared to winning the election. That is what they care about now. Hence why Obama has also backed Hilary within the past few hours. 

 

Nothing changes unless Hilary gets a formal charge over the emails. Which would make almost the entire party look like morons. 

 

So you only have one outlet of change left in this election, and that's the reality TV star. Fun times ahead. 

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Sanders has backed Clinton.  But considering most of the Dem's can't stand Clinton, Trump can take this pretty easily.  Same the party couldn't work together.

 

Nowhere have I seen that Sanders has officially endorsed Clinton. All I've seen is that Sanders is offering a hand in defeating Trump. Still, that is impactful. Though, I most likely will be voting Green for this one.