Alaina Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Furthermore, there's something missing if it were Frank. He asked us to find the thing that was common in all of his murders, which was of course, his calling card. Where is that signature calling card on any of the four victims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Well la-dee-funking da. So I'm barking up le wrong tree, not that I'm of any help anyway. "Come now, would the monster you hosted back down like this?" Frank had always been a Boss Monster, hadn't he? Even if he wasn't, one key difference between Frank and Chara besides the latter's lust for power is that Frank, a monster-killing vigilante though he may have been, was a man of good sport. He didn't content lock anybody on the forum even when "killing" them - something Chara's done to four people - and Chara even forced others into unwinnable situations at least once. Frank and Boss!Chara share the shtick of killing other members, but otherwise are complete opposites. Also agreed on the music front. Send me a 30-minute loop of this sheet if you can, dude.Furthermore, there's something missing if it were Frank. He asked us to find the thing that was common in all of his murders, which was of course, his calling card. Where is that signature calling card on any of the four victims? "If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Chara stole one of the souls the flower lost. Not every monster's human body has returned, has it?" "I was already a Boss Monster, just like Frank Castle. I'm not comparing him to Chara, but your points about Boss Monsters don't hold up with just this, do they?" ((music will be supplied after the event)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaina Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "I'm a monster while in this realm. He can't absorb me. My former guise of humanity doesn't change the facts."If Flowey couldn't, being the original boss monster, what makes you so certain that Chara could absorb a monster's SOUL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Chara stole one of the souls the flower lost. Not every monster's human body has returned, has it?" Despite the member group, Chara is still the soul of a Human. And a Human can only have 1 Human soul residing within them, not many. If they stole it, they'd have to store it away, but for what purpose? Chara already has the soul gifted to them, so why would they need other souls, let alone steal one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Flowey stole the power. He told told us such himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 If Flowey couldn't, being the original boss monster, what makes you so certain that Chara could absorb a monster's SOUL? "He absorbed a human soul. All of the monsters have a single human soul within them." Despite the member group, Chara is still the soul of a Human. And a Human can only have 1 Human soul residing within them, not many. If they stole it, they'd have to store it away, but for what purpose? Chara already has the soul gifted to them, so why would they need other souls, let alone steal one? "How clever!" "But not quite. Chara already stated that they lack their original SOUL in their AMA thread." "Furthermore, I'm a human at heart, too. But not in this realm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yui Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "I was already a Boss Monster, just like Frank Castle. I'm not comparing him to Chara, but your points about Boss Monsters don't hold up with just this, do they?" ((music will be supplied after the event))The only other thing that stands out about Frank between the three of you is that - based on how this event's played out - Frank's the only one who didn't already know Flowey prior to the event. Chara did, and since you got Flowey to set all this up and summon you, it seems you did as well. How could Frank want revenge on somebody he didn't know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "Come now, would the monster you hosted back down like this?" "If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Chara stole one of the souls the flower lost. Not every monster's human body has returned, has it?" "I was already a Boss Monster, just like Frank Castle. I'm not comparing him to Chara, but your points about Boss Monsters don't hold up with just this, do they?" ((music will be supplied after the event))I would tell you what my monster would do, but that'd give it away. However I will be taking over his body for awhile. Shame the avi thing isn't working as I wanted it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Doesn't matter Simon. A human, which Chara very much still is, can only have 1 human soul, irregardless of it being the original or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 The only other thing that stands out about Frank between the three of you is that - based on how this event's played out - Frank's the only one who didn't already know Flowey prior to the event. Chara did, and since you got Flowey to set all this up and summon you, it seems you did as well. How could Frank want revenge on somebody he didn't know? "Dear me, I don't seek to accuse poor Frank..." "I merely want to point out that being a Boss Monster does not prove a relation between the kid and myself." "And, as I've stated, there's proof that Flowey did not summon me here." "And why would I want revenge on Flowey? He's alive and well, albeit quiet. All's well that ends well." Doesn't matter Simon. A human, which Chara very much still is, can only have 1 human soul, irregardless of it being the original or not."And they currently lack the original. So they have, seemingly, a total of 1." "Plus, the child mentioned collecting souls. Not a stretch, really, that they powered up with a soul from this realm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headmaster Monokuma Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 This talk about souls is getting us nowhere. Ladies and gentlemen, it's SHOWTIME. The connection between you and Flowey was one of hostage and captor... In a way. You were captured by Flower because his goal was to keep you away from this place. He was very interested in making sure the monsters were undefeated in order to keep you trapped away. In addition, this piece of evidence from Miss Faraday shows that your understanding of Flowey's particular Frisk was incorrect, meaning there was someone else you spoke to, in order to learn this. Similar to Miss Faraday's clue, there is a status that provides a similar look. Here, once again Flowey seems concerned over the potential loss of his acquired souls to that 'Freak.' Flowey wasn't trying to summon Mr. Keyes, he was trying to contain him from escaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Urquhart Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Well, if that doesn't blow that blubbering clown fish out of the water, I'm not quite sure what will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Tsk and now there's this man, you all were so pathetic to need help from a shadow of all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 This talk about souls is getting us nowhere. Ladies and gentlemen, it's SHOWTIME. The connection between you and Flowey was one of hostage and captor... In a way. You were captured by Flower because his goal was to keep you away from this place. He was very interested in making sure the monsters were undefeated in order to keep you trapped away. In addition, this piece of evidence from Miss Faraday shows that your understanding of Flowey's particular Frisk was incorrect, meaning there was someone else you spoke to, in order to learn this. Similar to Miss Faraday's clue, there is a status that provides a similar look. Here, once again Flowey seems concerned over the potential loss of his acquired souls to that 'Freak.' Flowey wasn't trying to summon Mr. Keyes, he was trying to contain him from escaping. "Nngh...! It's like Edgeworth is talking me down all over again." "I do have to ask, again, though... So what?" "Do you know why Flowey wanted to keep me out?" "All you've proven is that I am, for some reason, the flower's enemy. Which should have been clear, given the hostage situation." "If that's all you've got, then you're out of luck!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepsi Man Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "Nngh...! It's like Edgeworth is talking me down all over again." "I do have to ask, again, though... So what?" "Do you know why Flowey wanted to keep me out?" "All you've proven is that I am, for some reason, the flower's enemy. Which should have been clear, given the hostage situation." "If that's all you've got, then you're out of luck!"We also know you like these kind of games... that you're no different from someone... I want to assume Chara, who sees killing as just a giant game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 "Do you know why Flowey wanted to keep me out?"It's clear that Flowey knew what you were capable of, you are a manipulative mastermind after all. Given that you have apparently been here for a year, you've had ample time to mastermind a grand scheme (similar to The Riddler planning his game for a year) and once Flowey found out about the details, locked you away before you had a chance to implement it. Ofc, we do need to remember that this is a game and shouldn't let this situation get to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 ((sorry for late replies, appointments/family time happened)) It's clear that Flowey knew what you were capable of, you are a manipulative mastermind after all. Given that you have apparently been here for a year, you've had ample time to mastermind a grand scheme (similar to The Riddler planning his game for a year) and once Flowey found out about the details, locked you away before you had a chance to implement it. Ofc, we do need to remember that this is a game and shouldn't let this situation get to us. "Who ever said I had a plan? All I've seen proven is that I was free/Flowey didn't trust me." We also know you like these kind of games... that you're no different from someone... I want to assume Chara, who sees killing as just a giant game. "Hrm... While I may be inclined to give the little butcher props, does that really mean I'm like them?" "Seems a little grabby, to me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Whoever said I had a plan? All I've seen proven is that I was free/Flowey didn't trust me."Ok, perhaps you don't have a plan, but the way I see it Flowey must've been aware you have been getting info from an outside source, hence the distrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Ok, perhaps you don't have a plan, but the way I see it Flowey must've been aware you have been getting info from an outside source, hence the distrust. "I've met none of these monsters before this event. And no one can come from or go back to where we belong, except at this time of year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 That simply is untrue. You have been here since just before the end of June, as evidenced by your introduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Keyes Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 That simply is untrue. You have been here since just before the end of June, as evidenced by your introduction. "Pardon the womanly voice, but I had to get in character." "I decided to participate back then. Didn't see much reason to do more after that. Doesn't mean I wasn't here sooner." "Feel free to check with Bill Cipher's account of me leaving as he got sucked back in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralsei Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 This line of questioning feels like a dead end guys. We aren't getting anywhere. His knowledge about this Frisk kid was off, and he was really confident about it, he's gotta be hiding something there. Time to do a little digging, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Sorry, Faraday, but I can't lay down all my cards at once. Soon, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 My mistake. I was so caught up in my own miniature investigation I did not notice your failure to dodge a point. The Baron called you out on having received information from a source other than Flowey. Rather than even try to refute it, you made an unrelated statement about not being in contact with monsters before the event began. That fails to dispel his point. Flowey was clearly not the one to tell you all that went on here, at least not in the sense you implied before. Your statements about Frisk are incompatible with those made by Flowey. Plus, information such as a random song posted by Pepsi Man reaching you through him doesn't add up, even with the most talkative of captors. As an additional note, while you claim not to have any power, the evidence is stacked against you in that regard. Though it cannot be proven that you edited posts, the hints Origin, Youth, and Killer, as well as the change made to Flowey's profile, are clearly done in your hand. Not to mention that your ability to change your own member group to disguise as a normal human denotes similar abilities. Though it may not be relevant to the case, you claiming to have no power (or access to power) is certainly false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Laughable. Is this what you're going to end this with YCM? Two people, essentially shadows, and a monster coming in to save you in the end?IS THIS ALL YOU AMOUNT TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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