Nintendo Switch

[Shradow]

- Donkey confirmed. No word on Shrek.

 

Dammit Agro.

 

You're all about the underpants thing, but for me I'm determined to wear the badass armor the whole time, no matter how many times I gets struck my lightning. All about that Fashion Souls.

[Agro]

Dammit Agro.

 

You're all about the underpants thing, but for me I'm determined to wear the badass armor the whole time, no matter how many times I gets struck my lightning. All about that Fashion Souls.

I prefer Link's Bulge Souls.

[Shradow]

So far I'm looking forward to getting Zelda, ARMS (btw I loved that music in the trailer, that game has a lot of style and I really want to play it), XC2, FE Warriors, Mario Odyssey, Spla2n, the next No More Heroes, and if that little racing tidbit we saw really was a new F-Zero, that as well. Pretty darn good line up so far.

 

Also, when ARMS got shown off my brain instantly thought, "I WAS A WIMP BEFORE ANCHOR ARMS. NOW I'M A JERK AND EVERYONE LOVES ME."

[Agro]

if that little racing tidbit we saw really was a new F-Zero, that as well. Pretty darn good line up so far

That was Fast RMX aka Fast Racine NEO aka the Wii U F-Zero no one played.

[Shradow]

Dammit.

 

Also apparently you can play ARMS without motion controls? Good that that's an option, but I'm definitely gonna use motion controls.

 

EDIT: One part of the presentation that I thought was really awesome was up to 8 consoles in local multiplayer. Imagine 8 people hanging out with their Switches in portable mode, playing Mario Kart or Smash or something. So awesome.

[Agro]

They needed at least 8. Splatoon and Smash Bros. would require it (the latter is definitely still coming out)

 

They still should have done at least 10 though.

[Blake]

For the record, the hints from the presentation were that SMT is a remake of the original SMT.

 

"To commemorate the 25th anniversary", etc.

[Agro]

For the record, the hints from the presentation were that SMT is a remake of the original SMT.

 

"To commemorate the 25th anniversary", etc.

They did muddle that a bit though. The 25th anniversary logo had all 4 games and I'm assuming (I haven't played through all the SMT games) all those characters weren't just from the original SMT. (if they are, please correct me) Could very well be releasing a collection of all 4 on Switch.

[Blake]

They did muddle that a bit though. The 25th anniversary logo had all 4 games and I'm assuming (I haven't played through all the SMT games) all those characters weren't just from the original SMT. (if they are, please correct me) Could very well be releasing a collection of all 4 on Switch.

Those weren't all characters. They were predominately demons you can summon to fight with, if not entirely. As far as I know, they all belong in OG SMT, in one form or another, though you'd have to ask Nai/Elly/etc. for more info.

[Sleepy]

The local sounds awesome, but at the same time it sounds pretty hefty. Like, that's 2400 USD right there plus probably each individual requiring to have bought a copy of the game. For some games at least....

[Shradow]

One complaint I have about the Switch, it's the free games that comes with having the online service. It's limited to NES/SNES and you only get it for a month. That just seems like a bad decision, I don't know who would think that's a good idea. One of the reasons I don't mind paying for PS Plus is because the two free games per month are much more recent and sometimes very good ones, and you get to keep them, the subscription basically pays for itself and then some. I honestly can't think of any NES/SNES games I would want to play that I haven't already.

 

Also, the extra peripherals are overpriced. Another dock is $90, another pair of Joycons is $80 ($50 for just one side), and the pro controller is $70. That's a tad ridiculous.

 

I don't mind the launch lineup at all, console launch lineups are historically not that great anyways, and we have Zelda which is huge.

[Sleepy]

Looking in retrospect and past the initial hype of the presentation.

 

-Legend of Zelda is the only big game available at launch and it is available for the Wii U. I very likely will get it for the Wii U I already have, though let's hope it isn't a game that borders in the Wii U not being able to handle it with its power.

 

-One Two Switch! I hope it is successful for their sake, but I'm not really a fan of it. I liked the Clint Eastwood scene for the commercial more than the game itself from what I saw.

 

-Splatoon 2 is gonna have new features I'm really looking forward to, but I can't help but notice the textures are a little more bland-looking. I wonder if that's just aesthetic choice or if they are showing a still rough demo. There are differences in the rollers during the demo compared to the trailers, which give me the sensation they are using bits of the first game as place holders, and probably the versions of the first game's launch date at that (before nerfs and adjustments). Still pretty excited about this and Zelda, but if this is the only other game that I really wanna play before the holidays, it might not be worth it getting the new console.

 

-Has the same issue as the Wii U where there's a particularly expensive controller you won't really have 2 of. Mitigated this time by being able to become two mini controllers, but still... Local multiplayer will sound like an issue. If the pro controller will cost 70, it will hurt a lot when this generation's Smash comes around. Some of us still play with friends IRL in the same room.

 

-I'm not completely sold on paying for online services. I even don't have a Poke Bank as cheap as it is and as lenient as it is with payments (5 USD per year) because I'm realistically not gonna be making a constant use of it. I have periods when I play a lot and times when I don't for a while.... IDK how this is managed by other consoles but I am not constant enough to think a constant bill is gonna be worth it.
. . . . Splatoon is gonna require it 100%..... hmm....

 

-I've seen people complaining about the system's memory. I don't really know about this kind of thing though *shrugs*... Just throwing it out here as something I've heard...

 

-Battery life's gonna suck...

 

 

Overall the presentation as far as games showcased is concerned, didn't really talk much about gameplay details within the titles themselves. As usual, one has to analyze the trailers to get info. Although I can't help but think the last presentation they had (still with Iwata) had a lot more information.

[Shradow]

Yeah, 32GB is really quite pitiful for memory space, for comparison the standard PS4 has 500GB, and many significant games nowadays are easily dozens of GBs when digital. I know there's additional storage through micro SD cards, but the transfer rate on those, even the high end ones which no one will buy solely for the Switch, isn't great. Plus I could see them needing replacing at least once throughout the life of the console, since they have reliability issues when used a lot over a long time.

 

Also I expected something like this. There's still plenty of time until the Switch launches.

 

EDIT: One thing I wanted to say that I forgot earlier, I'm completely fine with paying for online if it means better online servers. Free games or any other bonuses be damned, if the servers are good I'm funking happy.

[Agro]

long post but plz read i feel it's important

 

Switch is definitely going to be a physical media console. But then again so was the 3DS and Wii U. The good news is that unlike the PS4 and XBO, the Switch won't need you to install any physical disc onto the console. PS4 and XBO games are too powerful to be run off the disc, so they have to be put in full on the console to run off the harddrive– meaning that those 500GB of internal storage is a lot smaller than it first appears. Because the Switch is using cartridges, the read/write times are extremely faster and so you don't need to do that.

 

But I'm betting the real reason they only included 32 GB of internal storage is that Nintendo is miraculous in how small their games are data-wise. The biggest games on other systems can reach 50+ GB but the biggest game Nintendo has ever made, Breath of the Wild, is only 12 GB. Nintendo always develops hardware for their own internal developers first, and I think that's the main reason for a lot of the dumb decisions they make. You can add a micro SD to the Switch for I think up to like 256 GB. What's weird is that those are only going to run you about $40 and are only going to get cheaper and cheaper fast, so it's a little weird to think Nintendo didn't include them in the base console.

 

As for Online, that's probably my biggest issue with the console so far tbh. I honestly thought to myself "maybe it would be better if they just made games for Sony's consoles" for the first time ever yesterday because of how conflicted I am on their online.

 

They have to understand that only giving away one game for only a month, and to have that game be a 30 year old title that virtually everyone has played and has been released multiple times in those 3 decades, is completely below industry standards. Sony gives away 2 games a month for free released in the last 1-5 years and lets you keep them for the length of your subscription. Even if they let players keep those games for the length of their subscription; even if they increased the amount of games they give away to 2 games a month; even if they increase the available catalog to include N64, GB, and GBA games– they would still likely be offering a subscription that is less enticing than Sony or Microsoft's.

 

I think the problem, again, is Nintendo's poor sense about how everyone views their games against how they do. There's been a lot of talk about how "Nintendo doesn't want to devalue their product" and that's why they release their 30 year old VC games for like $10, which I get. But the amount they value their old games is egregiously more than the value that a normal customer is going to pay for them. I think the best idea they could have is to offer ALL of their VC games to subscribers, which I feel would let them sell a $60 yearly subscription easily. If they were to do that, they wouldn't even need to worry about what else they'd include in the subscription offer since people would still want to buy in.

 

Otherwise, there's a much bigger issue with their subscription service: it's centered around how it allows you access to online multiplayer on switch. This isn't something I really have to think about on my PS4, since I'm constantly playing titles like Titanfall, Rocket League, and Overwatch, and games like that are constantly coming out. For switch– when the free online ends in the Fall, after I've played Splatoon for months– am I really going to want to pay money for the online multiplayer Nintendo games that release after that? That's a question I have reasonable suspicion to doubt. As it stands, I probably won't be paying for it when it's no longer free.

[Shradow]

I had the same feeling, right now I think only Splat2n and ARMS are games I'd want online for. Now if they end up making a Smash Bros. for the Switch, that's a different story, I'd get it in a heartbeat. So while I have no issues paying for online, I might end up not doing it anyways, depends on how much I want to play.

 

And while it is nice that Nintendo games are small in data size, 32GB is still pretty ridiculous.

 

I need to, like, keep talking myself down so I don't explode from excitement. Especially now that I've got my Switch and BotW copy preordered.

[Tentacruel]

I'm getting it for Zelda but they're retarded if they think people are gonna pay $50 for tech-demo party games. 

[Flame Dragon]

One complaint I have about the Switch, it's the free games that comes with having the online service. It's limited to NES/SNES and you only get it for a month. That just seems like a bad decision, I don't know who would think that's a good idea. One of the reasons I don't mind paying for PS Plus is because the two free games per month are much more recent and sometimes very good ones, and you get to keep them, the subscription basically pays for itself and then some. I honestly can't think of any NES/SNES games I would want to play that I haven't already.

 

Also, the extra peripherals are overpriced. Another dock is $90, another pair of Joycons is $80 ($50 for just one side), and the pro controller is $70. That's a tad ridiculous.

 

I don't mind the launch lineup at all, console launch lineups are historically not that great anyways, and we have Zelda which is huge.

I'm hoping Nintendo will listen to fan feedback and make improvements on their online subscription offering. One of the advantages of announcing this +9 months ahead of when it happens is they can still make changes.

 

I do agree the price for the controllers and what not is insane, but I've heard controller prices now a days tend to be like that.

 

 

-I'm not completely sold on paying for online services. I even don't have a Poke Bank as cheap as it is and as lenient as it is with payments (5 USD per year) because I'm realistically not gonna be making a constant use of it. I have periods when I play a lot and times when I don't for a while.... IDK how this is managed by other consoles but I am not constant enough to think a constant bill is gonna be worth it.

. . . . Splatoon is gonna require it 100%..... hmm....

This is one of the biggest issues. Nintendo games aren't online games by and large so you need more incentive to get a paid online service if the only big online games you will likely have are Smash, MK, and Splatoon. 

 

But I'm betting the real reason they only included 32 GB of internal storage is that Nintendo is miraculous in how small their games are data-wise. The biggest games on other systems can reach 50+ GB but the biggest game Nintendo has ever made, Breath of the Wild, is only 12 GB. Nintendo always develops hardware for their own internal developers first, and I think that's the main reason for a lot of the dumb decisions they make. You can add a micro SD to the Switch for I think up to like 256 GB. What's weird is that those are only going to run you about $40 and are only going to get cheaper and cheaper fast, so it's a little weird to think Nintendo didn't include them in the base console.

This is honestly the reason 3rd party companies don't make games for Nintendo. Their systems just don't use the same tech as their competition. While its easy to port games between XBone, PS4, and PC making it for the Nintendo system actually makes them rework stuff and that costs money. For a lot of companies that just isn't worth and so Nintendo gets few of the multiplatform games.

 

I'm getting it for Zelda but they're retarded if they think people are gonna pay $50 for tech-demo party games.

Nintendo is good about pricing on these kinds of things and I wouldn't be shocked if it costs more like $30. Don't think its worth that, but it is far more reasonable.

[Agro]

GameStop confirmed 1-2-Switch as $50.

 

But I wouldn't exactly call it a tech-demo party game.

 

All accounts seem to point to it being extremely fun and different. I wouldn't be surprised if it has enough content to match its price. It honestly looks like a WarioWare game without the immediate switching between Minigames.

[Flame Dragon]

GameStop confirmed 1-2-Switch as $50.

 

But I wouldn't exactly call it a tech-demo party game.

 

All accounts seem to point to it being extremely fun and different. I wouldn't be surprised if it has enough content to match its price. It honestly looks like a WarioWare game without the immediate switching between Minigames.

Even if it is full of content $50 does seem high for the type of game it seems to be. I'm willing to be wrong, but that doesn't seem like a price a lot of people are going to be willing to buy at.

[Shradow]

I was a bit put off by New Donk City at first, but after a bit of time I actually like the caricaturization of New York, what with all the people in matching grey suits and every car being a taxi. It's pretty humorous.

 

Also, I'm that we have the dive move back from 64 and Sunshine. With the addition of the hat platforming, I wonder what sort of crazy sequence breaking jump combos people will try and come up with.

 

The game is so funking pretty, too, like holy sheet.

[Agro]

I was a bit put off by New Donk City at first, but after a bit of time I actually like the caricaturization of New York, what with all the people in matching grey suits and every car being a taxi. It's pretty humorous.

Yeah but why do they look like they were designed for a completely different game? Like shouldn't they all be stylized like Mario is?

[Shradow]

I dunno, I just consider them different kinds of things, like the Piantas or Beanish.

 

Also, I've only talked about games that were part of the presentation, but I'm also excited for Yooka-Laylee whenever they get the Switch version out. I could just change my version to the PS4 one since the cancelled the Wii U one, but it just seems like a Nintendo console sort of game.

[Flame Dragon]

I dunno, I just consider them different kinds of things, like the Piantas or Beanish.

 

Also, I've only talked about games that were part of the presentation, but I'm also excited for Yooka-Laylee whenever they get the Switch version out. I could just change my version to the PS4 one since the cancelled the Wii U one, but it just seems like a Nintendo console sort of game.

That reminds me, I still haven't heard anything about changing my Wii U backing to the Switch.

 

Also between preferring physical discs and the memory for the Switch being terrible I really should look into getting the physical copy which I know they've said backers can do.

[Shradow]

Well their website says we should be getting more information about changing formats this month, whether that includes the Switch or is only with reference to changing from the Wii U the other platforms. I'll want to change mine to physical as well, thanks for reminding me.

 

I really wish I had preordered my Switch sooner, I wanted to get the red/blue Joycons but they were unavailable for preorders wherever I looked so I went with grey.

 

EDIT:

 

It comes with all the DLC, heck yeah! Glad I didn't buy it on PS4 yet. Being portable is really nice, too.

[Nicο]

What I really wanna do is just play on TV at first so I can get it at launch (already preordered) with the only accessory I might need being the pro controller. Maybe get some others down the line, like at least something to protect it enough while I get to my cousin's on Christmas Eve. Point would be kinda moot if he doesn't have one of his own by then, considering how I would then rather bring the dock for a bigger screen, and we might not have access to their HD TV... gasp but it is an enticing thing for multiple reasons. Just really don't want another Wii U here.

 

As for online, I'll probably only feel the need if the inevitable Mario Maker makes me pay, but I don't think you can technically consider that multiplayer, so I'm hoping not.