2016 Annual Sept. 11 Thread

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

I'm fine letting the terrorist having that one victory then cowcow, it's not worth losing our humanity for

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/09/terrorism-world-trade-pentagon-twin-towers-911-commission-kean-hamilton-column/89978558/

 

Just leaving this nugget here

According to the Global Terrorism Index, terrorist activity reached its highest recorded level in 2014, the last year with available data, with 32,685 terrorist-caused deaths. In 2001, that figure barely exceeded 5,000. Out of 162 countries studied, 93 have suffered a terrorist attack.

 

We're not safer

[Snatch Steal]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/09/terrorism-world-trade-pentagon-twin-towers-911-commission-kean-hamilton-column/89978558/

Just leaving this nugget here According to the Global Terrorism Index, terrorist activity reached its highest recorded level in 2014, the last year with available data, with 32,685 terrorist-caused deaths. In 2001, that figure barely exceeded 5,000. Out of 162 countries studied, 93 have suffered a terrorist attack.

We're not safer

Flight 93

93 countries

 

Illuminati?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Flight 93

93 countries

Illuminati?

:'(

 

Those men and women were heroes the rest of us should aspire to be like.

[Aerion Brightflame]

And I will bet that the vast majority of that terrorism is focused in the middle east. Which makes sense given how much less stable that region of the world is than it was in 2001. Just like if you look back to the Troubles in Ireland you'll find higher levels of terrorism because of the political and social turmoil. So you know, jokes on us there. 

 

In terms of us, as people living in the West, we are either as safe or not that much worse off relative to pre 9/11. It's not as bad as the media makes it out to be, and it's not as bad as to justify some of the policies enacted in response. But hey, life in the western world is generally pretty safe so. I can think of like 6 major terrorist attacks on Western nations since 9/11, and the worst of them wasn't even related to Islamism. 

 

Still as usually for this event, commemorate all the victims who've lost life to terrorism in all it's form, and may we do better to prevent loss of life in future. Whether that be due to terrorism or in the efforts to fight terrorism.  

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And I will bet that the vast majority of that terrorism is focused in the middle east. Which makes sense given how much less stable that region of the world is than it was in 2001. Just like if you look back to the Troubles in Ireland you'll find higher levels of terrorism because of the political and social turmoil. So you know, jokes on us there. 

 

In terms of us, as people living in the West, we are either as safe or not that much worse off relative to pre 9/11. It's not as bad as the media makes it out to be, and it's not as bad as to justify some of the policies enacted in response. But hey, life in the western world is generally pretty safe so. I can think of like 6 major terrorist attacks on Western nations since 9/11, and the worst of them wasn't even related to Islamism. 

 

Still as usually for this event, commemorate all the victims who've lost life to terrorism in all it's form, and may we do better to prevent loss of life in future. Whether that be due to terrorism or in the efforts to fight terrorism.

 

Worst being Orlando? Or the London bus bombing?

[Aerion Brightflame]

Worst being Orlando? Or the London bus bombing?

 

The worst is Anders Breivik in Norway in 2011. Technically 7/7 was worse in terms of total causalities but Anders caused more outright fatalities. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The worst is Anders Breivik in Norway in 2011. Technically 7/7 was worse in terms of total causalities but Anders caused more outright fatalities. 

Uh, no, he killed 8 people, Orlando was 49

[Aerion Brightflame]

Uh, no, he killed 8 people, Orlando was 49

He killed 8 people by detonating a van and then killed 69 people with firearms at a university. 

 

This is on top of injuring about 320 people, and bombing a few government buildings all within a very close timeframe. 

 

It was the most deadly terrorist attack in Norwiegan history (And I think European recent history) for a reason. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

He killed 8 people by detonating a van and then killed 69 people with firearms at a university. 

 

This is on top of injuring about 320 people, and bombing a few government buildings all within a very close timeframe. 

 

It was the most deadly terrorist attack in Norwiegan history (And I think European recent history) for a reason. 

Oh you're right, totally missed the part about the ferry 

 

Jesus

[Aerion Brightflame]

And ironically enough he did it partly in an attempt to stop Islam in europe and preserving a 'Christian Europe'. 

 

Kinda sad in retrospect. Given you know, the lengths people go to to try and stop the 'rise' of Islam in the west. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I'm fine letting the terrorist having that one victory then cowcow, it's not worth losing our humanity for

I'm not sure I appreciate the implication that I don't have humanity for not feeling a need to publicly remember the event. I was just thinking about how it's possible that us drawing so much attention to this.

1.) Alienates us from countries that have similar attacks but we never talk about it. "Only US lives matter" kind of thing.

2.) Makes terrorists (And wannabe terrorists) think "I can do this and be remembered and talked about for years". Sort of like copycat killers

 

Just an idea.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm not sure I appreciate the implication that I don't have humanity for not feeling a need to publicly remember the event. I was just thinking about how it's possible that us drawing so much attention to this.

1.) Alienates us from countries that have similar attacks but we never talk about it. "Only US lives matter" kind of thing.

2.) Makes terrorists (And wannabe terrorists) think "I can do this and be remembered and talked about for years". Sort of like copycat killers

 

Just an idea.

Our kids need to know what was stolen from us so they can feel just as passionate for the extermination of daesh and those type

 

If anything normalizing it is the worse thing we can do

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

There's a huge difference between not having massive public...showing of it and normalizing it. It really is similar to media coverage on serial killers and how damaging it can be.

I am...probably going to avoid discussing that first part for several reasons.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Our kids need to know what was stolen from us so they can feel just as passionate for the extermination of daesh and those type

That is the issue. Where do you draw the line? All muslims? All non-Christian religions? You complain about slippery slopes all the time, yet you fail to see the issue with demonizing entire groups of people, especially when the vast majority are absolutely ignorant of who they are even talking about.

[ihop]

Do we really want our kids to feel "passionate for the extermination" of anything? It sounds an awful lot like a slippery slope that ends up with kids full of hate for anything to do with that matter, which really doesn't solve anything. We want our kids to know and remember the truth, sure, but we don't want to whip up a fury in a bunch of kids who might not be fully aware of the whole story. People like Anders Breivik are what happens when people are "passionate for extermination".

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That is the issue. Where do you draw the line? All muslims? All non-Christian religions? You complain about slippery slopes all the time, yet you fail to see the issue with demonizing entire groups of people, especially when the vast majority are absolutely ignorant of who they are even talking about.

Whabbism

[Resident Fascist]

Whabbism

 

Well yes, Wahhabism is funked up. I just hate what we've become, by going on a stupid crusade through the Middle East bombing a sheet ton of innocents to try and catch a small group of terrorists. Innocent lives being lost anywhere is bad, but it seems outright hypocritical to feel sorry for the victims of terrorism on our turf, and then proceed to airstrike the sheet out of the Middle East. This is discounting the Afghan and Second Iraq war as while there are flimsy explanations for them. Afghanistan to stop the Taliban protecting AQ Terrorists, and Iraq because of the whole Saddam massing WMDs ordeal. I mean, it's not a good reason to go to war, and I feel it reflects very badly on the US as a whole, despite being very pro-American I will admit the actions taken in the Middle East are not something I'd support.

 

 It almost feels like a mockery of what America was actually founded on. If Americans have the right to sue the Saudis for funding 9/11, then I feel America should at least attempt to pay reparations to the families it's affected. Even in good intentions of preventing terrorism, America (and any country for that matter) should be forced to pay up for it's collateral damage. I may be incorrect in thinking that America already does attempt to give reparations. I'd like to hope that that is the case.