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POLITICO: "Trump to blacks, Hispanics: You have a right to not get shot"

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-black-hispanic-voters-shot-227369?cmpid=sf

 

 

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Donald Trump on Wednesday told African-American and Hispanic voters that he would be the best president for them, declaring that they and their children have "a right" not to get shot in the streets.

 

"The Democratic Party has run nearly every inner city in this country for 50 or 60 years, or in some cases over 100 years. Over 100 years. They've produced only more poverty, only more crime, only more joblessness and broken homes all over the place, at record levels," Trump said in Tampa, Florida, as he asked those at a rally, "What do you have to lose?"

 

The situation, Trump suggested, "cannot get any worse, and believe me, I'm gonna fix it. I'm gonna make it so good."

 

"I'll be able to make sure that when you walk down the street in your inner city, or wherever you are, you're not gonna be shot. Your child isn't gonna be shot."

 

"And I say to the African-American parent: You have a right to walk down the street of your city without having your child or yourself shot, and that's what's happening right now. That's what's happening," Trump said, before adding, "To the Hispanic parent, you have a right to walk outside without being shot. You have a right to good education for your child. You have a right to own your home. You have a right to have a good job."

 

Trump has offered similar lines in recent rallies, remarking to a crowd in Ohio on Monday night that people will "be able to walk down the street without getting shot," without mentioning it as a right.

 

If Clinton gets your vote, Trump remarked, speaking to the African-American and Hispanic voters, "she's gonna do nothing." Continuing to speculate about Clinton's health, Trump added, "and you know the truth, she doesn't have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to, believe me."

 

"I am asking for the honor of your vote so I can fight for you, that's African-Americans, that's Hispanic, and that's all Americans. We're gonna make it better. Much, much better," Trump said, remarking that "Hispanic citizens have been suffering under this president, too."

 

Trump added that he would "fight to give every Hispanic citizen in this country a much better future, a much better life."

 

"And they know it," Trump said. "And they know it."

 

 

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so

 

how're ya gonna do it?

 

you gonna walk into congress like, "y'all are fired" or something?

 

At least have a storyboard or something.

 

We know we have that right.  So what exactly are you gonna do about it?

He already explained that. Creating good paying jobs so people have to turn to drug trade to feed their kids. Pull the rug out from under the violence while boosting our infrastructure 

 

 

It would be nice if he could address the war on drugs too, there is room for improvement

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He already explained that. Creating good paying jobs so people have to turn to drug trade to feed their kids. Pull the rug out from under the violence while boosting our infrastructure 

 

I'm assuming typo, because people with good paying jobs would probably not turn to drugs.

 

I may be naive, but I don't know that jobs just suddenly exist out of nowhere. Like, how is he going to create jobs? Obviously, taxation of outsourcing could be a good step, but I've never heard him really say that, nor have I heard him expand upon his plan beyond that.

 

He needs to be more solid in his plans, and it wouldn't hurt him to sound a little less racist. Like, everybody has a right to not get shot, so it's actually cringeworthy now that he's singling out Black and Latino people not deserving to get shot. It's like, we've seen him say some kinda racist things, and now all of a sudden he's saying "ESPECIALLY BLACKS AND LATINOS."

 

not saying i like hillary either, though. she's quite a snake. 

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I'm assuming typo, because people with good paying jobs would probably not turn to drugs.

 

I may be naive, but I don't know that jobs just suddenly exist out of nowhere. Like, how is he going to create jobs? Obviously, taxation of outsourcing could be a good step, but I've never heard him really say that, nor have I heard him expand upon his plan beyond that.

 

He needs to be more solid in his plans, and it wouldn't hurt him to sound a little less racist. Like, everybody has a right to not get shot, so it's actually cringeworthy now that he's singling out Black and Latino people not deserving to get shot. It's like, we've seen him say some kinda racist things, and now all of a sudden he's saying "ESPECIALLY BLACKS AND LATINOS."

 

not saying i like hillary either, though. she's quite a snake. 

Yeah, Jobs= No need for Ganglife

 

Wall, Roads, Bridges, public infrastructure

 

Similar to what FDR did back in the 30's

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I doubt that the majority of minorities live in fear of being a victim of a crime, nor do I for that matter. The only comprehensible means of this being such a daunting issue would be the assumption of blacks and Latinos living in really ghetto neighborhoods, perhaps that they are involved in organized crime? One could also see the statement of that title as being at the hands of the police but given his rhetoric, I highly doubt it. He's not wrong about the Democratic party in inner cities though. I guess he's trying to redefine activism regarding minorities into "minority lives matter too". For all we know this article may be a summary and may have left out the whole statement.

Unless you are an illegal immigrant. 

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Actually he's backing down on Illegal immigrants. Not the biggest fan, but I can see why he's doing it. His statements are being taken out of context. As you noted he was mainly talking about inner city Blacks and Hispanics. 

 

Where these statements are both accurate and a dire reality. 

 

Which might explain why he's doubled in support with Blacks crossing 20 in states like Florida and why he's consistently doing better than Romney or McCain with Hispanics across the board. 

 

There are people hurting like he's describing, and those are the people he's trying to pull over (well, and also whites who think he's racist by disproving that idea)

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It's not as simple as 'jobs = not taking part in crime'. It's poverty that drives people to crime in a lot of instances and simply having a job doesn't mean you can't be in poverty. Crime is lucrative after all.

 

The jobs created have to be sustainable and they have to pay enough to keep crime seeming like a viable financial option through job security. ( bear in mind that crime is always going to be more lucrative than being legit) Additionally you have to address the social issues that trap families in crime and crime ridden areas by creating and encouraging social mobility, which goes a long way beyond just jobs (a lot of it is a matter for education as well as reformation programs in prison).

 

It's a social issue as much as it is as economic one. And talking trying to fix the issue without ending the War on Drugs is silly. That is always going to be the best first step.

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It's not as simple as 'jobs = not taking part in crime'. It's poverty that drives people to crime in a lot of instances and simply having a job doesn't mean you can't be in poverty. Crime is lucrative after all.

 

The jobs created have to be sustainable and they have to pay enough to keep crime seeming like a viable financial option through job security. ( bear in mind that crime is always going to be more lucrative than being legit) Additionally you have to address the social issues that trap families in crime and crime ridden areas by creating and encouraging social mobility, which goes a long way beyond just jobs (a lot of it is a matter for education as well as reformation programs in prison).

 

It's a social issue as much as it is as economic one. And talking trying to fix the issue without ending the War on Drugs is silly. That is always going to be the best first step.

How lucrative do you think it is to be a 4th tier weed dealer working for a couple iterations of underbosses. Sure the top guy gets rich, but the bottom guy? Not so much.

 

My cocaine dealer gets 10 dollars out of every gram I buy. Gram costs 75-80 depending on her mood. She's not getting that rich off it dude. People who provide her the sheet do

 

The type of construction jobs I'm talking about would pay well past the living wage. Something they don't have at the moment? Not enough? I agree, but would you rather have less under the dems or more under Trump

 

Also as crime drops, police brutality will drastically drop to. Most cops don't wanna string up a black guy for shits and giggles

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How lucrative do you think it is to be a 4th tier weed dealer working for a couple iterations of underbosses. Sure the top guy gets rich, but the bottom guy? Not so much.

 

My cocaine dealer gets 10 dollars out of every gram I buy. Gram costs 75-80 depending on her mood. She's not getting that rich off it dude. People who provide her the sheet do

 

The type of construction jobs I'm talking about would pay well past the living wage. Something they don't have at the moment? Not enough? I agree, but would you rather have less under the dems or more under Trump

 

Also as crime drops, police brutality will drastically drop to. Most cops don't wanna string up a black guy for shits and giggles

 

Considering most of the dudes gettin' strung up are for weed busts, I'd call that another wash.

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Not entirely sure what you mean.

 

I only used cocaine, cause I know that market. I'd assume it's similar to how the weed market works

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Not even close.  Weed is easier to bust, easier to distribute, but hard to move.

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Not the trade, the economics. The low level dealers aren't becoming millionaire in either. And if they're done the pyramid collapses

 

Trump'd pull the rug under the trades foot

 

As far as weed goes, all you'd have to do is make it legal.  It's coke that's harder to cleaner up.

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As far as weed goes, all you'd have to do is make it legal.  It's coke that's harder to cleaner up.

Legalize it. All the people IK who have died from it are thanks to cutting. People mix in Heroin and ground up meth or benzotes. Not everyone knows how to get contaminants out. If the gov was the main seller it would be fine.

 

Weed would have the same age limit as alcohol. Maybe even 24. It would still be a problem thanks to college kids

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They don't need to be millonares, they just need livable money for an easy days work. Why would a guy who has made easy money selling dope and coke to addicts suddenly want to do back breaking manual labour for money instead?

 

What about the people who get involved young? Kids as runners or lookouts say. At that age any amountof money seems significant.

 

And they get immersed in the culture, in the violence and exploitation. Whislt still making fairly decent money for very little effort. And then the idea of a citizens life is unheard of, they'd rather be gangsters and live and die on the street. Maybe they get a record in the meantime, all but trapping them.

 

I guess my initial money comment was vague - it's more that you can make livable money (on top of I inagine welfare bevause you can't declare drug income) from letting drugs sell themselves compared to having to work aa day of manual labour. On top of the culture trap of kids getting involved in yhr trade.

 

It's also funnily enough why I don't think you can immediately undercut the drug trade because it is the only income for some. You have to do it gradually for both addicts and dealers.

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