Protesters riot, burn cars & properties after fatal officer-involved shooting in Milwaukee, WI

[Halubaris Maphotika]

https://www.rt.com/usa/355828-milwaukee-police-shooting-riots/

 

"Riots and clashes with police have been reported in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which began after a man was shot dead by an officer during a chase on foot on Saturday. Police say the victim was armed with a handgun."

 

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/764763330980511745

What in the Hell is going on? Jesus...

[mido9]

 

This was so insane, even firefighters were prevented from entering because they were afraid to be shot.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Real talk Milwaukee kind of was always a shitty place, with this kind of thing. I'm not surprised. But it still pisses me off. Especially those siding with them. These kinds of riots don't do any good and often the majority don't even care about the "cause".

[The Amazing Avian]

That awkward moment when protesting is actually terrorism. What makes it worse is the stupid "black power" chants. It just makes the race look bad.

[Dad]

That awkward moment when protesting is actually terrorism. What makes it worse is the stupid "black power" chants. It just makes the race look bad.

 

That's the worse part.  The jabroni was armed bruh.  I'm not saying he deserved it, but what was he doing to provoke police to fire at him?  I can understand people being angry especially after a white guy just killed two police officers and was taken alive, but this is still incredibly stupid.  This is not the way we should be doing things.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It's terrifying how easy it is to spark a riot.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

See, I'm not sexist or racist or anything, I'm just actively against all of this "empowering" bullshit females and black people are doing as of late. The majority of it has no place, and is done on emotions rather than facts. THIS DUDE WAS ARMED. Has an arrest record. 500 bullets stolen. No sheet, he's going to get shot. I don't care if you're black or white. 

 

This "black lives matter" and "power to the black people" is utterly disgusting to me at this point. And much like feminism, any original meaning it might have had (no matter how stupid) is being lost to people like this. I'd say "extremists" but it's becoming a common occurrence to be breaking the law and order just because you think you deserve some special kind of privilege.

 

What disturbs me the most are the studies showing that police with cameras are more likely to use lethal force. That isn't right, and is quite scary, honestly. 

[Dad]

See, I'm not sexist or racist or anything, I'm just actively against all of this "empowering" bullshit females and black people are doing as of late. The majority of it has no place, and is done on emotions rather than facts. THIS DUDE WAS ARMED. Has an arrest record. 500 bullets stolen. No sheet, he's going to get shot. I don't care if you're black or white. 

 

This "black lives matter" and "power to the black people" is utterly disgusting to me at this point. And much like feminism, any original meaning it might have had (no matter how stupid) is being lost to people like this. I'd say "extremists" but it's becoming a common occurrence to be breaking the law and order just because you think you deserve some special kind of privilege.

 

What disturbs me the most are the studies showing that police with cameras are more likely to use lethal force. That isn't right, and is quite scary, honestly. 

 

See, the thing is, killing black people isn't new when it comes to people in power.  The cameras are new.  And I recently read another "study" that showed police cameras are more likely to be "cut off" or "inoperable" in incidents with minorities and blacks.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Thing is, if you see enough stories where a police officer shoots a black guy and then gets off with no consequences, and is back on the streets doing his job in spite of peaceful protests and demonstrations, on top of the generally shitty treatment by the black community by the police in the past few decades, the fact that this guy was actually armed is irrelevant. 

 

To these people - It's yet another black man being shot, and nothing immediate will be done to make up for it. They are already angry, and any real logic to the situation goes out of the window in favour of a need to try and stop what feels like very targeted oppression. 

 

I for one am not shocked this happened - I expect to see more and more incidents like this in response to black lives being taken. 

[Dad]

Thing is, if you see enough stories where a police officer shoots a black guy and then gets off with no consequences, and is back on the streets doing his job in spite of peaceful protests and demonstrations, on top of the generally shitty treatment by the black community by the police in the past few decades, the fact that this guy was actually armed is irrelevant. 

 

To these people - It's yet another black man being shot, and nothing immediate will be done to make up for it. They are already angry, and any real logic to the situation goes out of the window in favour of a need to try and stop what feels like very targeted oppression. 

 

I for one am not shocked this happened - I expect to see more and more incidents like this in response to black lives being taken. 

 

If I may.  As a black male from the hood, having a weapon on you is enough.  So the fact that he was armed is and will be a factor.  Whether or not he discharged the weapon is irrelevant.  Another man was shot and killed in his vehicle after specifically telling the officer he had a license to carry and that there was a weapon in the vehicle (his mistake was mentioning the weapon, rest his soul).  When police officers know a black male is armed, and they realize our entire race is angry for the sheet we go through, they're bound to act on preconceived notions, and things go south.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Stuff like this really hurts and good will the BLM has/had...just like Neo-Feminism hurts the original goals of feminism

 

 

EDIT: Jesus H. Christ

The sister of a Milwaukee man whose death sparked riots says she wants prosecutors to file charges against the police officer who shot her brother.

Twenty-four-year-old Kimberly Neal was speaking to The Associated Press at a vigil Sunday evening on the spot where her brother was killed Saturday afternoon. Supporters surrounded her as she held a bouquet of blue balloons.

She asked the crowd for donations for his burial. She says that she just hopes her family gets justice and wants prosecutors to file charges against the officer.

Asked about the violence on Saturday night, Neal said: "People stuck together and they are trying to stand up," for their rights.

After the vigil, protesters went across the street to the ruins of a gas station destroyed in the violence and began singing hymns.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

"protesters went across the street to the ruins of a gas station destroyed in the violence and began singing hymns."

 

Just this one line terrifies me.

[Agro]

Okay so as someone who actually lives in Milwaukee near where this happened, I feel like I should actually say something.

 

First off, obviously, to condemn the riots and the destruction they caused. Whether or not their anger was justified, violence doesn't solve anything.

 

Am I surprised it happened though? Not really. Milwaukee is basically a powder keg when it comes to race relations. The Toronto Star wrote an excellent piece earlier this year on the segregation that exists in the city and how racism is very much still alive depending on where you go (it's a seriously great read)– for example, a new member of the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team went to buy a Rolex in Whitefish Bay (a place that even folks like I, that lives in an affluent northern and heavily white suburb, refer to as "White-folks Bay") but was denied entry and had the police called upon by the white attendant. On top of all that, the city is still reeling from the police killing of Dontre Hamilton in 2014 and subsequent lack of a trial, with peaceful protests regarding that incident happening even occasionally through this year. So when even the slightest hint of history repeating itself showed up, it doesn't really surprise me that this kind of explosive show of rage happened.

 

Now, from what we know, it's very likely that the use of lethal force was necessary. The man ran from the cop, disobeyed a request to drop his firearm and turned it on the officer. Unless new information comes up that disputes those facts, the officer did exactly what he was supposed to.

 

But more importantly than really any of that is what's happened in the 24 hours since the riots ended. It's night now. The city's fairly calm. While addresses to issues of race within the community have been brought up time and time again, most of the focus has been on picking up the pieces and healing a very damaged community. Citizens– mostly African American– gathered from all around the city to provide cleanup efforts, including the brother of Dontre Hamilton whom I mentioned earlier. There were numerous gatherings for prayer near the places that had been destroyed in hopes that the violence does not continue, and as far as I can tell that has remained the case.

 

So while there are and will be calls to remain steadfast in the ideas that police must be held accountable, with some pushing the thought further than others, most of the actual focus is mainly on trying to help the community rebuild and stop such violence from occurring again.

 

Also this is basically unrelated but David Clarke is a jackass and most of this city hates him.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Also this is basically unrelated but David Clarke is a jackass and most of this city hates him.

2002

2002 Democratic primary

 

David Clarke - 59% -majority 

Pete Misko - 26%

Mark Hayes - 15%

 

2002 general election

 

David Clarke (D) - 74%-majority 

Ken Bohn ®, 25%

 

2006

2006 Democratic primary

 

David Clarke - 54%-majority 

Vincent Bobot - 46%

 

2006 general election

 

David Clarke (D) - 78%-majority 

Don Holt ®, 21%

 

2010 Democratic primary

 

David Clarke - 53%-majority 

Chris Moews - 47%

 

2010 general election

 

David Clarke (D) - 74%-majority 

Steven Duckhorn ® - 25%

 

2014 Democratic primary

 

David Clarke - 52%-majority 

Chris Moews - 48%

 

2014 General Election

 

David Clarke (D) - 79%-majority 

Angela Walker (independent) - 21%

 

Most of the city, or most of the people like you?

[Halubaris Maphotika]

2014 General Election

 

David Clarke (D) - 79%

Angela Walker (independent) - 21%

Damn, that's his biggest turnout. Did people just hate Walker or what?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Damn, that's his biggest turnout. Did people just hate Walker or what?

Agro and his silent majority apparently didn't turn out

[Dad]

Agro and his silent majority apparently didn't turn out

 

It's funny that you're ragging on Agro for the silent majority nonsense when you literally just bragged about it in Debates.  Stop trolling.

 

 

Okay so as someone who actually lives in Milwaukee near where this happened, I feel like I should actually say something.

 

First off, obviously, to condemn the riots and the destruction they caused. Whether or not their anger was justified, violence doesn't solve anything.

 

Am I surprised it happened though? Not really. Milwaukee is basically a powder keg when it comes to race relations. The Toronto Star wrote an excellent piece earlier this year on the segregation that exists in the city and how racism is very much still alive depending on where you go (it's a seriously great read)– for example, a new member of the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team went to buy a Rolex in Whitefish Bay (a place that even folks like I, that lives in an affluent northern and heavily white suburb, refer to as "White-folks Bay") but was denied entry and had the police called upon by the white attendant. On top of all that, the city is still reeling from the police killing of Dontre Hamilton in 2014 and subsequent lack of a trial, with peaceful protests regarding that incident happening even occasionally through this year. So when even the slightest hint of history repeating itself showed up, it doesn't really surprise me that this kind of explosive show of rage happened.

 

Now, from what we know, it's very likely that the use of lethal force was necessary. The man ran from the cop, disobeyed a request to drop his firearm and turned it on the officer. Unless new information comes up that disputes those facts, the officer did exactly what he was supposed to.

 

But more importantly than really any of that is what's happened in the 24 hours since the riots ended. It's night now. The city's fairly calm. While addresses to issues of race within the community have been brought up time and time again, most of the focus has been on picking up the pieces and healing a very damaged community. Citizens– mostly African American– gathered from all around the city to provide cleanup efforts, including the brother of Dontre Hamilton whom I mentioned earlier. There were numerous gatherings for prayer near the places that had been destroyed in hopes that the violence does not continue, and as far as I can tell that has remained the case.

 

So while there are and will be calls to remain steadfast in the ideas that police must be held accountable, with some pushing the thought further than others, most of the actual focus is mainly on trying to help the community rebuild and stop such violence from occurring again.

 

Also this is basically unrelated but David Clarke is a jackass and most of this city hates him.

 

Minus that last bit, this is common place among these incidents.  The bad apples funk up.  The rest suffer for it, and the few do the clean-up.  It was like that in Ferguson.  It was like that in Baton Rouge.  It was like that in Dallas.  But the riots are what you'll see.  Not the clean-up.  Not the repair.  Not the community trying to fix anything.  You'll only ever see the riots.  That's a funked up reality.

 

Damn, that's his biggest turnout. Did people just hate Walker or what?

 

I haven't been in Wisconsin long enough to talk too much about Walker, but what little I do know, even people in Green Bay are kinda 50/50 about him.  Lots of love-hate relationships with him.  But the votes speak for themselves as Winter showed you.  If he's being put back in office year after year, then either a large majority of Milwaukee is stupid, or he's doing something right.

[Agro]

Just to note about the elections.

 

David Clarke wins the general elections by landslides because he runs on a Democratic ticket, despite being a conservative, in a heavily Democratic county.

 

He barely wins the Democratic primaries in non-presidential election years, in a state with voter suppression laws and with ballots that allow Republican voters to cross party lines to vote on the Democratic primaries– which has been the main force behind all of his reelection bids.

 

Even without that in mind (just considering how close the elections have been), since his last reelection, all he's done is open his mouth and turn any remaining democratic supporters against him and drum up African American support against himself.

 

Of course, that can't be proven until the next election because Wisconsin doesn't have public polling on the Sheriff's approval rating, so your point stands up until 2014, but the data you C/P'd from Wikipedia is a bit misleading and out of date considering everything that's happened in this city in the last two years.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's funny that you're ragging on Agro for the silent majority nonsense when you literally just bragged about it in Debates.  Stop trolling.

Sorry, it was meant to be tongue and cheek in response to him mocking me in that thread (so yeh, a bit of sarcastic trolling), but if you feel it was inappropriate, I'll accept any WP you feel I merited here

 

My sentiments are unchanged regardless. BLM had a good swing recently, with the NY division marching with police. Asking to sue the officer here and the blatant looting...isn't going to soften the image. Unpopular opinion. BLM has a huge internal problem, just as it has an external problem

 

 

Just to note about the elections.

 

David Clarke wins the general elections by landslides because he runs on a Democratic ticket, despite being a conservative, in a heavily Democratic county.

 

He barely wins the Democratic primaries in non-presidential election years, in a state with voter suppression laws and with ballots that allow Republican voters to cross party lines to vote on the Democratic primaries– which has been the main force behind all of his reelection bids.

 

Even without that in mind (just considering how close the elections have been), since his last reelection, all he's done is open his mouth and turn any remaining democratic supporters against him and drum up African American support against himself.

 

Of course, that can't be proven until the next election because Wisconsin doesn't have public polling on the Sheriff's approval rating, so your point stands up until 2014, but the data you C/P'd from Wikipedia is a bit misleading and out of date considering everything that's happened in this city in the last two years.

No need, any fool with eyes can see his primary rate has been dropping. But the most that you claim exists must either be a recent tilt of 3% (he's not lost 3% in a while) or doesn't exist