Level Eater

[Lizardonx]

>ABC

 

You mean the deck that is a really weak deck yet just snowballs well? Why would they do that?

 

Idk why treatoad is being brought up

 

And idk why you like to shitpost like this. This isn't about a single FTK, it's about Level Eater just being an all around degenerate enabler.

All of the so called degenerate decks with level eater involve extremely weak decks that tries to snowball everything they have into one turn for a win. They brick far more easily than ABCs and have no recovery other than soul charge. The tourney results soundly puts ABCs at a level far above dark synchro or any other level eater deck for that matter.

 

Treatoad's the next infinity. It'll get its time eventually.

 

The degenerate plays which can't even scratch the current meta. Are you also advocating more hits to HEROs as well since dark law decks are also topping? Might as well go after decks like nurse burn too since you can insta lose as soon as you draw your first card.

 

Having some fancy youtube vids and a couple of tops doesn't make a card or strategy banworthy by itself when the meta has proven that it is more than capable of handling it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

He's saying it's healthwise bad for the game. Which is kinda a subjective mesure at the end of the day. Impact is really the only objective mesure and the one that Konami acts upon

[Blake]

All of the so called degenerate decks with level eater involve extremely weak decks that tries to snowball everything they have into one turn for a win. They brick far more easily than ABCs and have no recovery other than soul charge. The tourney results soundly puts ABCs at a level far above dark synchro or any other level eater deck for that matter.

 

Treatoad's the next infinity. It'll get its time eventually.

 

The degenerate plays which can't even scratch the current meta. Are you also advocating more hits to HEROs as well since dark law decks are also topping? Might as well go after decks like nurse burn too since you can insta lose as soon as you draw your first card.

 

Having some fancy youtube vids and a couple of tops doesn't make a card or strategy banworthy by itself when the meta has proven that it is more than capable of handling it.

abc isn't good, it's the ocg equivalent of kozmo in that regard

 

treatoad isn't even broken unless you make it with frogs/make multiples at once, and it's very much a ptolemaeus case in that regard with bahamut shark. Treatoad is not the problem.

 

"The meta, the meta!"

 

Which no one but you and winter are bringing up!

 

also @nurseburn uh you know that deck is going to be super consistent in like 1 week, right? Probably won't be good enough, due to siding against it, but it is funking ridiculous now

 

Game Health isn't entirely subjective. There is very clearly something wrong with an unrestricted design that enables these combos.

[Lizardonx]

There are plenty of degenerate strategies out there. Until they have proven themselves to truly be impacting the meta in a negative way (like final countdown once did) through a significant competitive prescence I don't think they need to be hit.

 

If Dark synchro suddenly began seeing similar numbers to burning abyss or if nurse burn somehow won a YCS then by all means it has gotten to a point where it can no longer be ignored then by all means I'll be receptive to them seeing list attention.

[Blake]

There are plenty of degenerate strategies out there. Until they have proven themselves to truly be impacting the meta in a negative way (like final countdown once did) through a significant competitive prescence I don't think they need to be hit.

 

If Dark synchro suddenly began seeing similar numbers to burning abyss or if nurse burn somehow won a YCS then by all means it has gotten to a point where it can no longer be ignored then by all means I'll be receptive to them seeing list attention.

And guess what? Your point had been addressed. No one is arguing impact, and it's really dumb to argue ONLY impact matters. It matters a lot, but some things simply shouldn't exist together, from a mere theory perspective.

 

Not to mention that pulling things off the list from banned has no solid evidence in impact. Hell, oftentimes, Meta decks that get hit aren't degenerate.

 

@Final Countdown: nnoooo that was catering to tcg player's wishes, not because it had any impact. Same for Morphing Jar #2. ._.

 

Point about nurse burn was that you used possibly the worst example, given that deck gets a buff in a week. Exodia would have been a better example.

 

Impact alone is a stupid argument. No, not every degenerate card is going to hit, and some will eventually fade out. But the point of this topic is that Level Eater is the opposite, as it started out "okay" and has aged far too well, to the point that it makes loops by existing. Sure, Baxia may be part of this issue, as well, but Level Eater is the core issue here.

 

and gofu but gofu is a dumb idea anyway and has impact

[Lizardonx]

I'm saying that level eater isn't degenerate enough to warrant being hit, regardless of all the fear mongering vids like TRIPLE QUASAR AND DOUBLE SIFR or GISHKI QUASAR FTK OMG would suggest. The incredibly high ceilings of such decks are self evident, but said decks are fundamentally flawed to the point where they'll be hard pressed to take advantage of their high ceilings in a competitive environment. Competitive players are always trying to look for the decks with the best combination of Risk/Reward, which means at least for now the ratio is still tilted enough towards the Risk side to warrant seeing enough use to become a detriment to the game.
 

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Card seems too much like RML to me honestly. Too much of enabler. I personally don't mind but then again what I play annoys the ever living funk out of most of you. I agree on the idea of giving it an errata though. While it may not be relevant or consistent in the TCG. Better to fix the problem before it becomes one. Personally, I'd be happy if this, RML, Dewloren, and Grandsoil got errata'd. Death to inconsistent FTKs.

[~~~~]

Card seems too much like RML to me honestly. Too much of enabler. I personally don't mind but then again what I play annoys the ever living f*** out of most of you. I agree on the idea of giving it an errata though. While it may not be relevant or consistent in the TCG. Better to fix the problem before it becomes one. Personally, I'd be happy if this, RML, Dewloren, and Grandsoil got errata'd. Death to inconsistent FTKs.

I fucken hate Royal Magical Library, but what's wrong with Grandsoil?

[byak]

I fucken hate Royal Magical Library, but what's wrong with Grandsoil?

It's not hard OPT so you can do random infinite combos involving bouncing it with cards such as dewloren, mist valley shaman, etc.

[Neutrality Man]

 

can we please ban or errata this now

And then the Synchro Mechanic becomes unplayable compared to the other 3, yes even Ritual would be better than Synchro without Eaters. They can overpay, Syncs can't.

[Blake]

And then the Synchro Mechanic becomes unplayable compared to the other 3, yes even Ritual would be better than Synchro without Eaters. They can overpay, Syncs can't.

what the funk

 

Synchros are not unplayable without level eater by any means =X

 

Yang Zing are perfectly playable, as are Shiranui. And sheet like Dragunities aren't entirely useless.