Level Eater

[Blake]

 

can we please ban or errata this now

 

It's always been a part of FTKs and the like, and it's well known for memes with Baxia and/or Quickdraw, but Gofu + Sohaya make this card far too easy to FTK with.

 

Memey as these are for now, it shows that this is just a problem card waiting to happen, and there's really no excuse that it's not 1/Turn.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Point to me a meta relevant OTK/FTK

[Blake]

Point to me a mega relevant OTK/FTK

Did I say there was a "mega relevant" one? I'm just pointing out that the open ended and unrestricted design of level eater makes it far too abusable.

 

One I saw just recently is that ArmaKnight + Gofu + Synclone Resonator is an FTK. Sure, you have to draw De-Synchro... within, like, the top 25~ cards of your deck, after milling some stuff as you go. You can draw all that by playing.

 

Baxia with Chiwen and Eater in the grave means you make Baxia 2 more times, drawing 1-2 cards each time.

 

Gofu + Level Eater = 3 Sohaya outright, next to Librarian that's even more ridiculous

 

And this all boils down to Level Eater being at fault, because it's the reaso nthat many stupid FTKs work. It really doesn't need a ban, but it needs a hard OPT.

[Progenitor]

Point to me a mega relevant OTK/FTK

It's not "mega relevant," but this:

 

 

Really shouldn't be possible. Especially from a 3 card combo.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Look, the last 2 FTKs to get hit were Monarch and Noden FTK

 

Both Topped big events repeatedly

 

And for the latter they didn't even ban anything. Yes there is a dark-synchro deck that does well in the OCG metagame ATM. Yes it runs eater. But it's really not a big enough problem to warrent a ban. @Black...well OBV. But erratas like CT are rare

[Blake]

Look, the last 2 FTKs to get hit were Monarch and Noden FTK

 

Both Topped big events repeatedly

 

And for the latter they didn't even ban anything. Yes there is a dark-synchro deck that does well in the OCG metagame ATM. Yes it runs eater. But it's really not a big enough problem to warrent a ban. @Black...well OBV. But erratas like CT are rare

who ever said it was going to happen or implied it reasonably would.

 

You have a really hard time disconnecting theory or health, depending, from impact, and you need to work on that. Badly.

 

The card will only be more of an issue moving on. It's not abusable accessibly enough yet, but it's very much shown it is a card that breaks otehr cards by simply existing.

[goodfusion]

A ban would sadden me. Not because I like the combos that can be done with it, I hate them, but because they would be banning the only really good thing to send to the Graeyard with Resonance Insect.

[VCR_CAT]

I mean, I'd chalk this up with cards like Machine Dupe or Fortress Dragon: It's poorly designed and is wrought with only unhealthy interactions, but it's not making any kind of significant tournament impact.

 

In the case of Level Eater, removing its tribute restriction in favor of a hard OPT would be a welcome change. It's card that's just asking for trouble.

[Progenitor]

I mean, I'd chalk this up with cards like Machine Dupe or Fortress Dragon: It's poorly designed and is wrought with only unhealthy interactions, but it's not making any kind of significant tournament impact.

 

In the case of Level Eater, removing its tribute restriction in favor of a hard OPT would be a welcome change. It's card that's just asking for trouble.

Completely agree. It just has too much potential to be stupid. It's not ban worthy, yet, but such an errata would do a bit to future proof the card a tad.

[byak]

Point to me a mega relevant OTK/FTK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIw25S1fuyI

 

this combo in particular is not mega relevant but dark synchro practically lives off of abusing level eater

 

statistically with a 15 card extra deck, summoning librarian and being able to go through your entire extra deck will draw you 19 cards (14 synchro summons, including 3 formula, 1 charge warrior, 1 coral dragon). once you are able to baxia loop your formulas you can expand this number even further (19 + (x*2), where x is the amount of times you can baxia a formula synchron back to the extra deck). unfortunately, the only way to baxia away formula synchrons is to draw into revival/level 1 tuners, but the combo draws into like 13 cards before you're required to do so.

[cardgameking]

I swear, this and Quasar are why Konami always keep Synchro decks on the tightest possible leashes, while stuff like Kozmo, Monarchs and PePe happen. Just errata this or make it so you can only use it as Synchro Material once per turn and give Quasar a Special Summon once per turn clause.

Jeez.

[Brinolovania]

Nooooo, don't nerf my Synchron turn 1 Quasar plays ;_;

 

Seriously though, a hard OPT for Eater seems like a good idea. It would make me sad to have my crazy Synchro shenanigans nerfed, but non-OPT (essentially) free summons are always abusable. 

 

That said, Konami generally doesn't errata too often, so it would probably only happen if some Eater deck actually became meta. Or they might just ban it instead, which would make me really sad. 

[~~~~]

I've seen so many people try to Tribute this for something other than a Tribute Summon, it's entirely convinced me that most people don't read their own cards. For example, a friend of mine who is a Yusei roleplayer Synchron user tried to Tribute Level Eater for their Jet Warrior's effect. I pointed out that they couldn't.. etc

[byak]

I've seen so many people try to Tribute this for something other than a Tribute Summon, it's entirely convinced me that most people don't read their own cards. For example, a friend of mine who is a Yusei roleplayer Synchron user tried to Tribute Level Eater for their Jet Warrior's effect. I pointed out that they couldn't.. etc

 

i once had a dream

[Toffee.]

Why do I get the feeling we only talk about This card to jabroni about it's niche moves in lackluster OTKs/etc?

[byak]

Why do I get the feeling we only talk about This card to jabroni about it's niche moves in lackluster OTKs/etc?

because it only gets stronger as the synchro pool expands.

 

there's tons of more things you can do with gofu+armageddon knight/unizombie+level eater if you throw in denglong into the equation, since it's yet another synchro tuner that adds more to your field.

[~~~~]

Why do I get the feeling we only talk about This card to b**** about it's niche moves in lackluster OTKs/etc?

That and jabroni about the fact that people are jabroniing... like yourself

[Chaosix]

i once had a dream

NOO!!!! NOT THE BUGS! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Toffee.]

because it only gets stronger as the synchro pool expands.

It's weird, though, because they pretend Level Eater doesn't exist.

I mean, everyone under the sun saw it's potential with Assault Blackwing Synchros, as you could just Summon a bunch of them and do them whatever the hell you wanted with what you made, all thanks to Level Eater- Again, they pretend Eater doesn't exist.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

who ever said it was going to happen or implied it reasonably would.

 

You have a really hard time disconnecting theory or health, depending, from impact, and you need to work on that. Badly.

 

The card will only be more of an issue moving on. It's not abusable accessibly enough yet, but it's very much shown it is a card that breaks otehr cards by simply existing.

It's just discussions like this bother me. It's getting your hopes up for something Konami will never do. Like I think I showed you, you can remove about 20 cards off the banlist with simple OPT's. You can fix a lot of loops with simple opt's. Konami won't do it. What's the point of theory that will never happen. Catapult Turtle is the only big exception I can think of

[byak]

It's just discussions like this bother me. It's getting your hopes up for something Konami will never do.

If it means anything dark synchro decks are starting to take places at the top in ocg tournaments.

[Lizardonx]

Shouldn't the OCG be worried about more pressing issues such as ABC dragon buster, Beatrice, and Treatoad than going after some irrelevant FTKs that die to a single hand trap and never made any sort of significant impact.

[Blake]

Shouldn't the OCG be worried about more pressing issues such as ABC dragon buster, Beatrice, and Treatoad than going after some irrelevant FTKs that die to a single hand trap and never made any sort of significant impact.

>ABC

 

You mean the deck that is a really weak deck yet just snowballs well? Why would they do that?

 

Idk why treatoad is being brought up

 

And idk why you like to shitpost like this. This isn't about a single FTK, it's about Level Eater just being an all around degenerate enabler.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's not a Shitpost. Dark Synchro have a few tops yes. But they're solid tier 2 rouge. Both Heros and Nekroz have as many or more tops.

 

His point: there are mera decks that need to be hit first. #Priorities (in response to Byak's OCG comment)

 

Lay off him

[Blake]

It's not a Shitpost. Dark Synchro have a few tops yes. But they're solid tier 2 rouge. Both Heros and Nekroz have as many or more tops.

 

His point: there are mera decks that need to be hit first. #Priorities (in response to Byak's OCG comment)

 

Lay off him

He came in and said the same thing as you, which you are still saying.

 

When no one is arguing that this will be hit or is asking for it to be hit, realistically.

 

Saying such is naught more than shitposting when it's been established that this is something more idealistic/something that can't be denied at this point.

 

Impact =/= fair, nor does it mean healthy. While game health is a bit more difficult to discuss, This is a topic on Game Health, and you could have much the same with Yang Zing now, as they can now search any card in the deck with a 3-card combo, no bad cards involved.

 

Impact? No. Unhealthy? Certainly.