mitchermitcher Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Well... according to his feats, Kirby has more than enough strength to toss a giant frying pan with a monster on it out of the atmosphere, over the sun and curve it back onto the world within a short amount of time, meaning he has strength that can surpass FTL speeds. When he only had a fourth of his power in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, he was able to shatter Planet Earth with one punch in a minigame. He also shrugs off impossibly destructive forces as if they were nothing. Beings like Nightmare, Dark Matter, Drawcia, Marx and Magolor all had reality-warping capabilities that allowed them to perform godly feats (such as changing all of reality into a lifeless drawing, commanding darkness itself and having entire sectors of space and time under their whim), and Kirby defeated them.But how does he defeat them? Unless that's determined somehow then the rest of us can throw reality warpers at you all you want and they can all be dismissed with 'Kirby can defeat reality warpers' without really explaining how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 But how does he defeat them? Unless that's determined somehow then the rest of us can throw reality warpers at you all you want and they can all be dismissed with 'Kirby can defeat reality warpers' without really explaining how. Well... in some titles, he's used the power of a weapon to even the odds and in other titles, his own skills and prowess. In the case with Zero and Nightmare, he used the Star Rod. In the case of the reality warpers that had souls, it's done from his own skill and prowess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Well... in some titles, he's used the power of a weapon to even the odds and in other titles, his own skills and prowess. In the case with Zero and Nightmare, he used the Star Rod. In the case of the reality warpers that had souls, it's done from his own skill and prowess.So have any of these people simply tried to rewrite reality and remove him from it? Go back in time and make it so he never existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 So have any of these people simply tried to rewrite reality and remove him from it? Go back in time and make it so he never existed? The most pragmatic anyone has been with doing that was weakening him to a point where he was made 'helpless', like what Necrodeus did to Kirby in Kirby Mass Attack or Drawcia when she turned him into a ball. Kirby still killed them even in his weakened states. I'm sure if a time-themed reality warper is to appear in the franchise, Kirby would still win even if that villain was pragmatic enough to try and eliminate Kirby in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 The most pragmatic anyone has been with doing that was weakening him to a point where he was made 'helpless', like what Necrodeus did to Kirby in Kirby Mass Attack or Drawcia when she turned him into a ball. Kirby still killed them even in his weakened states. I'm sure if a time-themed reality warper is to appear in the franchise, Kirby would still win even if that villain was pragmatic enough to try and eliminate Kirby in the past.How exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 How exactly? The same way he always does; using the gimmick of the game or just his natural abilities of firing projectiles or his hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 The same way he always does; using the gimmick of the game or just his natural abilities of firing projectiles or his hats.So what power exactly does he have against a reality warper simply erasing him? Is he immune? Your argument is based off circumstantial evidence and silly game logic. You're basically saying, he will win because he is controlled by the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 So what power exactly does he have against a reality warper simply erasing him? Is he immune? Your argument is based off circumstantial evidence and silly game logic. You're basically saying, he will win because he is controlled by the player. We could also go by anime and manga logic, since he has those too. They're also implied to be a unified canon. In lore and flavor, his power is confirmed to be infinite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 What you're not getting is you're specifically saying he will win because "He just does" which can be applied to so many game and other media protagonists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 What you're not getting is you're specifically saying he will win because "He just does" which can be applied to so many game and other media protagonists. I understand that very well. If anything, the games actually dwarf his capabilities. I've explained the physics on why he will always win though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 from what i read of the counter arguments, many of his vicories were due to game mechanics, and the feats he performed aren't quite as great as they appear, the witch used magic to change phenomena, but it wasn't at the level of reality warping, the planet busting feats were in mini games and the like, so they weren't exactly canon, he can still lose his powers if he's hit by minor enemies, which implies either he's not as durable as he's made out to be, or that his copy ability isn't as powerful as it's made out to be. he also needs help from multiple allies or fomr some rare items in some instances, to even harm the final boss, so if we're talking solo battle, him VS somebody like buu could be closer to buu's favor if no outside items are used, in one instance, he was actually dying from being out in space, which means that without his warp star (which i do believe takes some time to make, and he can still be knocked off of, it) even namek level frieza can kill him so long as he goes all out. his suction's not quite as powerful, or omni-effective as the bio implies, considering a fair amount of beings have resisted it simply from holding on to nearby items, or by standing on their own strength, not to mention the beams that he reflects/ absorbs, which were used as an agument, weren't even enough to do severe damage to the planet that he was on, as far as infinite power is concerned, his "infinite" is more related to the possibilities related to him and his ability than his actual base power, he has infinite potential, but he pesn't have infinite power, at least not at base level. it's implied that were metaknight to slice him seriously with galaxia, he would be able to rend kirby in two (or more) pieces, it's also mentioned that metaknight isn't able to actually use the power of galaxia to control universes, so kirby isn't quite as durable as all that. i'll admit i don't know everything about the kirbyverse, so i could be wrong, but the arguments against him having naturally infinite power seem a lot stronger than those in favor of it. in addition, a serious reality warper of any calibur, so long as they were competent, and actually willing to kill would be too strong for anybody below reality warping/time controlling level. if you can warp reality, physical ability becomes a moot point, kirby's strong, but i doubt that he is actually so powerful as to fight unhindered within an actual black hole, that may have been artistic license, because if not, then they are essentially saying that kirby is so strong, and so durable, that he is unaffected by the force of infinite gravity, pulling infinitely upon him, from all angles. further backed by the physics of a warp star, anything with mass cannot move faster than light unless it in and of itself is either warpoing reality, or removing all mass from itself, in any other case, it would literallt tear a trail through the fabric of space and time. i know, it's a game, so artistic licence, but the point remains, kirby, while strong, is likely not as powerful as that post makes him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 This feels like Kirby is being written as "omnipotent" and "omnipresent". I was going to write out a lengthy, questionable post regarding breaking Kirby down at a subatomic level, but I think simply mentioning Dr. Manhattan would be enough. Unless you're telling me Kirby can determined what Manhattan is thinking and completely nullify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪ ♪Aria ♪ ♪ Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Kirby is one of my favorite video game characters, since he is cute, pink, but also powerful....His signature ability to suck virtually everything makes him a walking black hole of immense gravity...Plus Kirby has a trusty warpstar that can dwell in any environment, including the confounding space.......Kirby has no weakness One character to mention and equal to Kirby is Galactus, but that's another story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Kirby ranks 20th on the current tier list at the top of mid tier, which is a drastic improvement over his last place ranking in Super Smash Bros. Melee. 20th in Brawl but first in "all of fiction guaranteed". Since we're making bold statements, Lonk could probably use a little less Nintendo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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