Origin and Destiny of Life ~ Metalzing

[Pchi]

So, now that Denglong has been revealed to be able to Summon another Yang Zing instead of simply adding it to your hand, are there any changes to be implemented?

[Blake]

It used it be floodgate reliant as well as needing Bixi to bypass the restrictions, but nowadays the deck focuses on turboing with Jiaotu and Zefraniu in addition to popping power. Just opening with Jiaotu into Niu and Chiwen can get you Baxia + Denglong and some other setup Synchros. Add something like Sky Iris or the more popular and consistent Metalfoes and now you have Pendulums to summon your sent Nius and to pop your Yang Zings. So now it's full force Synchro power you can spurt in 1 turn.

 

 

For the build, I run the same ratio of Metalfoes, but instead of Volflame I run Steelren cause the low level is more efficient for Synchro Summons.

 

For Yang Zing ratios, why bother putting Bixi and Bian to 1? Bian is not the greatest, but Bixi is very important and I personally want to at least put them @2 so at least I can fetch 1 from the deck and that opening with 1 is not so bad since I can summon the other from the deck with Jiaotu. My guess is that you wanted to squeeze more things in?

 

No Twin Twist or Storm unless it's a side option? Pretty useful for popping your S/Ts if you used Baxia or cannot access the eff again and is generally good removing threat backrow to protect Jiaotu plays.

 

Though very gimmicky, Ultimaya, Nirvana, and Stardust Warrior are options. 

Steeleren is also the worst one. Level 2 doesn't pair up with either Chiwen OR Jiaotu well. If anything, outside of trish plays with... Taotie or Quiniu, 2 is bad.

 

Its searchability is something to consider, but there's also something to be said for 1+7 or 2+7, resulting in good 8s or a DARK Chaofeng.

 

Bixi is not important anymore. There aren't enough traps that matter, outside of PK BA, and they'll just slam you with fog blade sooner than later. Only its level really matters, outside of somehow needing it in that matchup. You don't want to get it from deck T1.

 

Bi'an is also of lesser import than before, and I rarely make Herald of the Arc Light. May just cut Bi'an. Not that Pulao is any better.

 

Taotie is and has always been a good 1-of, so...

 

Twin Twister has been added already, as discussed with Byak. Storm... not really.

 

None of those are options, even for gimmicks.

 

Ultimaya only summons what the deck already can, and in a more gimmicky way. Redundant.

 

Nirvana doesn't really do anything, especially since you don't really care about recycling most of your grave stuff.

 

Stardust Warrior is only good against pends.

 

So, now that Denglong has been revealed to be able to Summon another Yang Zing instead of simply adding it to your hand, are there any changes to be implemented?

I already expected it to do so, based on a post by Joenen explaining that the wording could go either way, but expect the current wording because flavor.

 

For this deck? Changes nothing, honestly.

 

I'm tempted to run the Metalfoe Pleiades, though, just because of how good it is. Shame that it also isn't amazingly synergetic.

[Sir Yamiegg]

What a funking pretentious title.

 

You DEFINITELY need 3 Baxia. The 3-Baxia loops are the best first-turn plays of the deck, ending in Titanic + Baxia (+ Herald of Arc) + Yang Zing + Divine Strike + Branches. 

 

Due to the fact that each can only be activated once per turn, I would only run 2 Painful Decision. Also, what purpose does Oracle serve that a Yang Zing effect monster wouldn't? They both just provide discards for Jiaotu, and the monsters are more useful in the Deck than Oracle, and are not useless if you draw multiples of the same, unlike Oracle. The card's secondary effects are pretty much irrelevant, considering that your first-turn board will have 3-4 lines of defense and a loaded Extra for more plays next turn. Stacking is not necessary in the slightest. I would therefore replace the 3 with 1 Chiwen, 1 Suanni and 1 Bi'an.

 

Metalfoe Fusion is recyclable and therefore allows for continued activation of the Metalfoe monsters' effects. It seems like a better option than Counter; and it can be complemented by an Adamante in the Extra Deck.

 

Divine Strike is a card to consider. It's often better to have Divine Strike + Branches than just 2 Branches, especially considering your low Yang Zing count.

 

Vulcan and Stardust Charge are pretty redundant in the Extra Deck (Charge less so). You won't access them too often; I would just run a single Level 6 in the form of Metaphys Horus (although Charge is somewhat acceptable). He helps you deal with untargetable things and floaters so if you're playing TCG/OCG you'll have an easier time against Kozmo. It doesn't matter all that much though, but 2 Level 6s seem like a waste of space.

 

Ultimaya can be considered, and is a nice toolbox addition. Going into him is often more beneficial than going into Titanic Galaxy, since you get more options, and Crystal Wing is just a slightly better card. And have you ever made BRD? His spot seems more suited to an Odd-Eyes Meteor, especially if you include Tzolkin. I've also never gone into Trishula here, but it doesn't seem too bad to include.

[Blake]

I'll reply to the rest later, but... Wut?

 

How is the title pretentious in the least?

 

It's a reference to Denglong (Origin) and End of All, the song being associated with the deck.

 

"What a funking" ignorant post.

[Sir Yamiegg]

I'll reply to the rest later, but... Wut?

 

How is the title pretentious in the least?

 

It's a reference to Denglong (Origin) and End of All, the song being associated with the deck.

 

"What a f***ing" ignorant post.

I was hardly serious, but the connection is tenuous, flowery, and describes a card game. I'm too cynical for my own good.

[Blake]

I was hardly serious, but the connection is tenuous, flowery, and describes a card game. I'm too cynical for my own good.

Beginning and End. Alpha and Omega. It's not really tenuous. I just felt like "Origin and End of All" sounded worse. Seems like a poor thing to nitpick, jokingly or not, especially when using it at the beginning of a post, where it sets tone.

 

 

You DEFINITELY need 3 Baxia. The 3-Baxia loops are the best first-turn plays of the deck, ending in Titanic + Baxia (+ Herald of Arc) + Yang Zing + Divine Strike + Branches. 

 

Due to the fact that each can only be activated once per turn, I would only run 2 Painful Decision. Also, what purpose does Oracle serve that a Yang Zing effect monster wouldn't? They both just provide discards for Jiaotu, and the monsters are more useful in the Deck than Oracle, and are not useless if you draw multiples of the same, unlike Oracle. The card's secondary effects are pretty much irrelevant, considering that your first-turn board will have 3-4 lines of defense and a loaded Extra for more plays next turn. Stacking is not necessary in the slightest. I would therefore replace the 3 with 1 Chiwen, 1 Suanni and 1 Bi'an.

 

Metalfoe Fusion is recyclable and therefore allows for continued activation of the Metalfoe monsters' effects. It seems like a better option than Counter; and it can be complemented by an Adamante in the Extra Deck.

 

Divine Strike is a card to consider. It's often better to have Divine Strike + Branches than just 2 Branches, especially considering your low Yang Zing count.

 

Vulcan and Stardust Charge are pretty redundant in the Extra Deck (Charge less so). You won't access them too often; I would just run a single Level 6 in the form of Metaphys Horus (although Charge is somewhat acceptable). He helps you deal with untargetable things and floaters so if you're playing TCG/OCG you'll have an easier time against Kozmo. It doesn't matter all that much though, but 2 Level 6s seem like a waste of space.

 

Ultimaya can be considered, and is a nice toolbox addition. Going into him is often more beneficial than going into Titanic Galaxy, since you get more options, and Crystal Wing is just a slightly better card. And have you ever made BRD? His spot seems more suited to an Odd-Eyes Meteor, especially if you include Tzolkin. I've also never gone into Trishula here, but it doesn't seem too bad to include.

Yeah, no, you don't need 3. It's good, but you do not need all 3. And divine strike is garbage, you don't want to give up your free value =x

 

Skipping ahead to finish that, "considering your low Yang Zing count"... You know that YZ float, right? And that 9 paths work with them, so long as it's CL2?

 

Painful Decision and Oracle have already been covered and bumped down to 2 each. Thank you for saying stuff that has already been said.

 

I don't need 3 Chiwen, I don't need 3 Suanni, and Bi'an is barely even good at 1, much less more. This just sounds like promoting bad ratios.

 

Counter has also been covered already, but at least you added a little something.

 

adamante is garbage, i'd run alkahest or mithriel before him, just because the value is infinitely higher.

 

Why would this deck have trouble with Kozmo? Like... ever? MetaphysHorus isn't exactly the easiest to make with a Pendulum, as you don't normally have extra Metalfoes until later/3+3 is the only other method, and it's not especially worth it without one.

 

Vulcan is a tech, but Stardust Charge is definitely the correct 6, because it gives you value as you ladder, and its situational battle effect isn't even bad.

 

Cutting BRD is wrong when you're the deck that can nuke people during either turn, easily at that.

 

Meteorburst doesn't sound bad for the scales, but idk if worth. Monster effect isn't worth, really.

 

Ultimaya is not a consideration. It's a waste of ED space, and you already have easy access to the three best 7-8 Dragon Synchros.

[Sir Yamiegg]

Beginning and End. Alpha and Omega. It's not really tenuous. I just felt like "Origin and End of All" sounded worse. Seems like a poor thing to nitpick, jokingly or not, especially when using it at the beginning of a post, where it sets tone.

 

 

Yeah, no, you don't need 3. It's good, but you do not need all 3. And divine strike is garbage, you don't want to give up your free value =x

 

Skipping ahead to finish that, "considering your low Yang Zing count"... You know that YZ float, right? And that 9 paths work with them, so long as it's CL2?

 

Painful Decision and Oracle have already been covered and bumped down to 2 each. Thank you for saying stuff that has already been said.

 

I don't need 3 Chiwen, I don't need 3 Suanni, and Bi'an is barely even good at 1, much less more. This just sounds like promoting bad ratios.

 

Counter has also been covered already, but at least you added a little something.

 

adamante is garbage, i'd run alkahest or mithriel before him, just because the value is infinitely higher.

 

Why would this deck have trouble with Kozmo? Like... ever? MetaphysHorus isn't exactly the easiest to make with a Pendulum, as you don't normally have extra Metalfoes until later/3+3 is the only other method, and it's not especially worth it without one.

 

Vulcan is a tech, but Stardust Charge is definitely the correct 6, because it gives you value as you ladder, and its situational battle effect isn't even bad.

 

Cutting BRD is wrong when you're the deck that can nuke people during either turn, easily at that.

 

Meteorburst doesn't sound bad for the scales, but idk if worth. Monster effect isn't worth, really.

 

Ultimaya is not a consideration. It's a waste of ED space, and you already have easy access to the three best 7-8 Dragon Synchros.

You don't necessarily need 3, but it is optimal to have 3 in the Extra. On Turn 2 having the 3rd is often key to OTKing them, and if you're not making 2 turn 1 you're not playing optimally/have bricked.

 

I explained in my post why I do not consider Oracle worth running at all. The Yang Zings aren't very good cards, but they are better than Oracles; they can float, Oracle cannot. I was suggesting the 3 Zings to run over the 3 Oracles. I consider 2 Bi'an necessary because after your turn-1 combo and a resolution of Nine Branches, you can go into Herald of the Arc Light with a Bi'an and Chiwen. This is very much a cherry on top, but as I have said earlier, a higher non-Pendulum Yang Zing count is beneficial. There is simply no better card to run in its place.

 

Meteorburst isn't really very good, but I would argue that BRD is even more unnecessary, though they do deal with different things. The spot doesn't matter that much, but I don't think you should be trying to nuke anyone in this deck, especially on the opponent's turn. The Baxia combos form a one-sided "nuke" if you go second, and going into BRD is pointless with an established board, as you should have past turn 1. 

 

Mythriel (possibly Orihulk) are the ones I would consider running. I forgot that Mythriel existed, sorry. Adamante IS garbage, but it is also generic, in a broad sense. It has come up in the past.

 

Ultimaya should be nearly as much of a consideration as Titanic Galaxy, since it is made in the same way. In the Metalfoe + 3 YZ card combo you can make Ultimaya instead of Titanic Galaxy just as easily. Crystal Wing is of better card quality than Galaxy anyway, and ED space isn't really an issue here considering that you have 3-4 free spots to work with. It comes down to a Spell negation or a monster negation.

 

I would also run 1 Bismagia over the 3rd Volflame. It doesn't usually matter, but it seems more optimal.

[Blake]

You don't necessarily need 3, but it is optimal to have 3 in the Extra. On Turn 2 having the 3rd is often key to OTKing them.

 

I explained in my post why I do not consider Oracle worth running at all. The Yang Zings aren't very good cards, but they are better than Oracles. I was suggesting the 3 Zings to run over the 3 Oracles. I consider 2 Bi'an necessary because after your turn-1 combo and a resolution of Nine Branches, you can go into Herald of the Arc Light with a Bi'an and Chiwen. This is very much a cherry on top, but as I have said earlier, a higher non-Pendulum Yang Zing count is beneficial. There is simply no better card to run in its place.

 

Meteorburst isn't really very good, but I would argue that BRD is even more unnecessary, though they do deal with different things. The spot doesn't matter that much, but I don't think you should be trying to nuke anyone in this deck, especially on the opponent's turn. The Baxia combos form a one-sided "nuke" if you go second, and going into BRD is pointless with an established board, as you should have past turn 1. 

 

Mythriel (possibly Orihulk) are the ones I would consider running. I forgot that Mythriel existed, sorry. Adamante IS garbage, but it is also generic, in a broad sense. It has come up in the past.

 

Ultimaya should be nearly as much of a consideration as Titanic Galaxy, since it is made in the same way. In the Metalfoe + 3 YZ card combo you can make Ultimaya instead of Titanic Galaxy just as easily. Crystal Wing is of better card quality than Galaxy anyway, and ED space isn't really an issue here considering that you have 3-4 free spots to work with. It comes down to a Spell negation or a monster negation.

I've otkd almost every time without needing third baxia.

 

And the topic already covered why Oracle IS a good card, so...? Oracle also helps you empty your hand for Void Ogre, which regular YZ do not.

 

You're arguing against an option because why would you be aiming for situations that may arise... What? The BRD argument is just "optimally..." but optimally isn't always a thing.

 

I'd run more bixi before more bian, because bian sucks, and you don't even need it for most T1 combos.

 

Orihulk is just a worse Alkahest, idk why I'd want that. Sure, Alkahest suffers from beign a 0/0 that eats a board slot, but it's also a very powerful "trap card".

 

If you have little YZ(s) + (2) Nine Branches, Crystal Wing is no better. Arguably worse, because it means you put back their spell instead of removing it entirely, ala Harbinger There are other ways to make it early, as well, that mean you can make it NEXT to harbinger, as I have done a number of times. It's a little more situational, but entirely possible.

 

Ultimaya requires more effort to go into for less payoff than your normal plays, plus clogs a board spot on a 0/0... Other decks, yes, but not i na deck that makes his good cards anyway.

[Progenitor]

So what would be a decent turn 2 play for this deck, or what opening hand are you generally looking for to secure OTK? Just Jiaotu + fodder + any Metalfoe? I'm not too up and up on these new fangled yang combos. Last time I played he deck Supply Squad was still a decent utility.

[Sir Yamiegg]

I've otkd almost every time without needing third baxia.

 

And the topic already covered why Oracle IS a good card, so...? Oracle also helps you empty your hand for Void Ogre, which regular YZ do not.

 

You're arguing against an option because why would you be aiming for situations that may arise... What? The BRD argument is just "optimally..." but optimally isn't always a thing.

 

I'd run more bixi before more bian, because bian sucks, and you don't even need it for most T1 combos.

 

Orihulk is just a worse Alkahest, idk why I'd want that. Sure, Alkahest suffers from beign a 0/0 that eats a board slot, but it's also a very powerful "trap card".

 

If you have little YZ(s) + (2) Nine Branches, Crystal Wing is no better. Arguably worse, because it means you put back their spell instead of removing it entirely, ala Harbinger There are other ways to make it early, as well, that mean you can make it NEXT to harbinger, as I have done a number of times. It's a little more situational, but entirely possible.

 

Ultimaya requires more effort to go into for less payoff than your normal plays, plus clogs a board spot on a 0/0... Other decks, yes, but not i na deck that makes his good cards anyway.

No. There is no scenario when Black Rose would be preferable to your other Extra Deck options. Nuking in this deck is pretty terrible.

 

Bixi sucks more than Bi'an for the reasons I outlined in my previous post - Herald of the Arc Light on the opponent's turn, leading to another negation and possible disruption.

 

I have already outlined the reasons why Oracle isn't good, or at least worse than Yang Zing effect monsters. It cannot be popped in order for it to lead to a Jiaotu, multiples are useless, and the fact that it gets Scales without Metalfoes is irrelevant. If you have to go -2 to get scales you've probably lost anyway, and a floating effect monster probably won't do any worse than the Scale.

 

I would only run Orihulk because it's an 8, and preserving a Baxia when you make Titanic allows massive combo extensions next turn.

 

"Put back their Spell...?" what does that mean? You don't touch their Spell with Crystal Wing, and even so, amongst the Spells you are likely to negate only Pantheism actually wants to be in the Graveyard. And no, Ultimaya requires no more investment than Titanic Galaxy; you just end up with Zefraxi in the Deck rather than the Extra.

[Blake]

No. There is no scenario when Black Rose would be preferable to your other Extra Deck options. Nuking in this deck is pretty terrible.

 

Bixi sucks more than Bi'an for the reasons I outlined in my previous post - Herald of the Arc Light on the opponent's turn, leading to another negation and possible disruption.

 

I have already outlined the reasons why Oracle isn't good, or at least worse than Yang Zing effect monsters. It cannot be popped in order for it to lead to a Jiaotu, multiples are useless, and the fact that it gets Scales without Metalfoes is irrelevant. If you have to go -2 to get scales you've probably lost anyway, and a floating effect monster probably won't do any worse than the Scale.

 

I would only run Orihulk because it's an 8, and preserving a Baxia when you make Titanic allows massive combo extensions next turn.

 

"Put back their Spell...?" what does that mean? You don't touch their Spell with Crystal Wing, and even so, amongst the Spells you are likely to negate only Pantheism actually wants to be in the Graveyard. And no, Ultimaya requires no more investment than Titanic Galaxy; you just end up with Zefraxi in the Deck rather than the Extra.

Yes, there is. I've been in such a situation. It's not like BRD is the best 7 the deck can make, bar Michael memes, or anything. Especially when a CL1 nuke (Which it has to be) also manages to set off other YZ.

 

And I have poitned out how the topic has answered you. Beign able to play AT ALL is not irrelevant, because going -2 to play is better than not playing at all. It finds more fodder for Jiaotu to discard (context!), it searches fodder if you choose to run Mythriel, and it's a good way to make plays early if you don't open optimally, as covered earlier.

 

Orihulk being 8 is just worse than Adamante being 5, who gives you synchro access. If anything it's Mythriel, but Orihulk is the worst after Cardinal.

 

Um... Why are you quoting me when it's pretty clear based on what you, yourself, said?

 

You proposed a scenario of Crystal Wing + Branches vs. Titanic + Branches. Putting a monster back + nomming a spell >>>>>>>> Popping a monster and putting a spell back, provided you use both in one turn.

 

Like, no sheet you don't touch their spell with Crystal Wing.

 

Wasting a Fraxi on Baxia is really dumb ngl, and it's not worth doing that in order to go into Ultimaya when the deck can do what he does better.

 

All in all, you are really bad at understanding context, and I'm honestly growing weary of you trying to repeat the same points over and over, never adding anything new, and missing context. So, if you would, don't reply anymore. Constructive criticism is fine, but you haven't been helpful at all.