Turbo Cosmos Return (Not Macro Monarchs)

[The Dark One]

Monsters: 18

3 Cyber Valley

3 D.D. Survivor

3 D.D. Scout Plane

2 Dark Grepher

1 Snipe Hunter

1 Morphing Jar

3 Dark Nephthys

1 Dark Magician of Chaos

1 Darklord Zerato

(EDIT: -3 Banishers. -1 Belial, -1 Zerato, +2 Phantom Dragon, +1 Grepher)

(EDIT2: -2 Phantom Dragon, -1 Invader of Darkness, -2 Cyber Ouroboros, +1 Morphing Jar, +1 Dark Grepher)

 

Spells: 14

3 Allure of Darkness

2 Trade In

3 Dimensional Fissure

1 Dimension Fusion

1 Heavy Storm

1 Mystical Space Typhoon

2 Reinforcement of the Army

1 Machine Duplication

(EDIT2: -1 Trade In, +1 Machine Duplication, +1 Enemy Controller)

(EDIT3: -1 Enemy Controller, -1 Monster Reborn, +2 Reinforcement of the Army.)

 

Traps: 8

2 Macro Cosmos

2 Return from the Different Dimension

3 Solemn Judgment

1 Crush Card Virus

(EDIT: +2 Macro Cosmos)

(EDIT2: +1 Crush Card Virus

 

Deck Total: 40

 

Ok, to explain my choices. Cyber Valley quite obviously meshes extremely well with D.D. Survivor and D.D. Scout Plane.

 

Cyber Ouroboros can add to the deck's speed. He is the perfect target for Allure or discard for Snipe while D-Fissure is out. He can be tributed for Valley's effect also, though he'll probably never hit the field.

 

Allure of Darkness is great with Scout plane, but is also useful with Ouroboros, and is compatible with every monster in the deck.

 

Dark Nephthys is great because of the free S/T removal when he's summoned by D-Fusion or Return. He's also compatible with both Allure and Trade In.

 

Invader of Darkness is being run because of the rising use of quick plays in this format. Mystical Space Typhoon is the old-fashioned staple, but cards such as Book of Moon are seeing a bit of a resurgence. Still, if a better monster can be found, he is borderline.

 

Belial can force your opponent to target him with removal cards, etc. Which can make my swing for game less likely to be interrupted. But I want him out, any better ideas for Level eight monsters would be greatly appreciated. (Unfortunately, D-Heroes are all but useless in this deck, due to D-Fissure.)

 

Solemn Judgment can help keep D-Fissure on the field, which is good.

 

As to the point of running a Cosmos deck to begin with, it disrupts DAD, and can generate lots of speed with cards like Scout plane meshing with Allure.

 

Now, I did have some other cards I wanted to fit into here, but as is usual with my decks, I just don’t have room for everything I want. I’m thinking I need a pair of Macro Cosmos in here, as the Dimensional Fissures and Banishers may not be enough. I’m also woefully short of monster removal, and should probably have a pair of Raigeki Breaks as well.

 

So, tell me what you think. Good? Bad? Any suggestions or fixes would be appreciated. As always, I would like to hear about anything that would improve this deck’s speed or consistency. To tell you the truth, I'm not happy about this deck. I'm using cards like Belial and Invader, not because I need them for the deck, but because there's nothing better to fill their slots. I'm already quite short on fodder for Trade In. I have only 8 targets as is. I can't cut them without replacements.

 

(I have edited the deck. See list for more info on what was revised.)

[tonisanoob]

i really liek this deck but i find banisher dosnt really have enough power to stay on field long enough so i would neg monster reborn and the 3 banishers for 2 macro and 2 lightning vortex

 

:)

[.:pyramid:.]

alright Lose Banisher of the Radiance for Armageddon Knight or Dark Grepher, as this will increase the turbo. Invader of Darkness and Belial, Marquis of Darkness, are ok but i think Dark Horus will work better to annoy your opponent. also i think you need to fit two reinforcements of the army if u can put the Armageddon Knight and Dark Grepher in

[The Dark One]

The main flaw with Dark Horus is the fact that I should never have a monster in my Graveyard. I agree that I need to fit in an Armageddon Knight or Dark Grepher (which one do you think would be more useful here?), but RotA would only be able to search for Grepher/Knight and Survivor. I'm not sure that would be as useful as running multiple copies of said Grepher/Knight, as they are also compatible with Allure.

 

I don't think this deck will be able to function on 3 copies of D-Fissure alone. It seems that everyone wants me to ditch the Banishers, so should I run 2 Cosmos, or 3?

 

And are there any other 8* DARKs you guys can think of that would be worth playing in this deck? I'm really not happy with Belial or the 2nd copy of Zerato. I'd considered runing Phantom Dragon, but I want to minimize the number of monsters that aren't compatible with Allure. Still, if I'm taking the Banishers out, do you think I could chance a pair of Phantom Dragons instead of Belial?

[.:pyramid:.]

the thing is three Dimensional Fissure will be more than enough because remember you do want some monsters in your grave for nephies, also i would ditch Mystical Space Typhoon for smashing ground ( mainly against DaD ), ol yer with all the sp summoning u will need torrential tribute for annoyance

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

the thing is three Dimensional Fissure will be more than enough because remember you do want some monsters in your grave for nephies' date=' also i would ditch Mystical Space Typhoon for smashing ground ( mainly against DaD ), ol yer with all the sp summoning u will need torrential tribute for annoyance

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No. He doesn't even need monsters in the grave for her, and 3 Dimensional Fissures is NOT enough for a deck based around the effect.

 

Dark Grepher would be a nice addition to this deck as it could set up winning combos very quickly.

[tonisanoob]

refer back to my post

 

dich the banishers and monster reborn

 

for 2 macro and 2 lightning vortex

[The Dark One]

the thing is three Dimensional Fissure will be more than enough because remember you do want some monsters in your grave for nephies' date=' also i would ditch Mystical Space Typhoon for smashing ground ( mainly against DaD ), ol yer with all the sp summoning u will need torrential tribute for annoyance

[/quote']

No. He doesn't even need monsters in the grave for her, and 3 Dimensional Fissures is NOT enough for a deck based around the effect.

 

Dark Grepher would be a nice addition to this deck as it could set up winning combos very quickly.

 

In this case, Slayer_Supreme is right. I selected Dark Nephthys because she is a Level 8 DARK monster, which makes her compatible with both Trade In and Allure, and because when she is Special Summoned by the effect of Dimension Fusion or Return from the Different Dimension, I can destroy a Spell or Trap card on the field.

 

Actually, this deck really doesn't run on the Macro Cosmos mechanic as much as many other "Macro Cosmos" decks do. I do need more than just the 3 D-Fissures, but they are there to disrupt DAD as much as they are to remove for D-Fusion or Return. I have Allure and Cyber Valley working overtime in this deck, so it won't be suicide not to draw into a D-Fissure on the opening hand. Rather, it just makes the deck more effective, as it turns Trade In, Ouroboros, and Snipe Hunter into ways to feed the RFG pile, while at the same time disrupting DAD.

 

I did update the deck, I'll be editing the first post with the new list. I'd like to fit a second Grepher in if possible, but don't know what to take out.

[RedSceptile]

- 2 Phantom Dragon

- 2 Cyber Ouroboros

- Invader of Darkness

+ Machine Duplication

+ Crush Card Virus

+ Enemy Controller

+ Morphing Jar

 

Quick fix.

[The Dark One]

Eh, I don't know about Crush Card. I only have the Valleys and Ouroboros for targets. Also, if you take the Ouroboros out, and stick in a Morphing Jar, that's 2 more targets dropped.

 

Machine Duplication is a very helpful addition to the deck.

 

I take it you don't like the Ouroboros? A little explanation here would be nice.

 

Without the Phantom Dragons and Invader, I will have only 5 targets for Trade In. I don't particularly want the deck to be unstable. Explanation would be appreciated here as well.

 

Morphing Jar and Enemy Controller both sound good.

[RedSceptile]

All you need for Crush Card Virus is the 3 D.D. Scout Plane. Considering that Cyber Valley is LIGHT.

 

Adding extra cards for the sake of Trade-In is stupid, especially when said extra cards are bad. Might as well throw in another Zerato if you rly need Trade-In fodder.

 

I don't like Ouroboros because it's slow.

[The Dark One]

All you need for Crush Card Virus is the 3 D.D. Scout Plane. Considering that Cyber Valley is LIGHT.

 

Adding extra cards for the sake of Trade-In is stupid' date=' especially when said extra cards are bad. Might as well throw in another Zerato if you rly need Trade-In fodder.

 

I don't like Ouroboros because it's slow.

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Oh whoops. Forgot about the DARK part for a sec.

 

Hm, I don't know about the Trade In part. Perhaps I should just run non-DARK level 8'? There's plenty of good ones out there. Still, I see your point about the bad cards. I don't know, should I take the Trade Ins out altogether? I think I would lose too much speed doing that. (for non-DARK possibilities, how does Ultimate Tyranno sound? He's a good way to capitalize on an opponent's swarm strategy.)

 

Ouroboros slow? How so? He is admittedly a touch situational, but I wouldn't consider him necessarily slow. Still, perhaps there are better ways to fill my deck slots. I'll take him out.

 

I would normally not hesitate to run Crush Card Virus, but 3 targets isn't exactly ideal. I guess I'll try it out.

[The Dark One]

Alright, I've made some changes to the deck. I took RedSceptile's advice, but also took the liberty of getting rid of one of my Trade Ins for a 2nd Dark Grepher. I figure it's another way to speed the deck up, but won't rely on a small portion of my monsters. Grepher is another card that combos ridiculously well with Macro Cosmos and D.D. Scout Plane.

 

Any comments or suggestions?

[RedSceptile]

Hm....seems k now. Only thing to do is playtest and see what consistency (or inconcistency) problems you might have.

 

FAKE EDIT:

3 D.D. Survivor

2 Dark Grepher

0 Reinforcemnt of the Army

 

Possibly drop either Monster Reborn, Enemy Controller, or both for 1/2 Reinforcement of the Army.

 

Not sure, you decide which (or both) to drop with playtests. You should probably download YVD 8.6 and/or YVD 9.0 to do said playtesting.

[The Dark One]

I have 8.6. there's a 9.0? I'll have to get my hands on it.

 

And I knew I was forgetting something. I'd though about adding RotA in with the second Dark Grepher earlier today, but it seemed to slip my mind while I was making the edits.

 

I don't think I can totally rely on drawing 1 of 3 D-Fissures and 2 Macro Cosmos in early game, so I'm loath to cut the Reborn. I think Enemy Controller would have to go. I'm at a loss as to what else I should cut for the 2nd RotA. Monster Reborn may be the next best option. I don't know, should I go to 2 Judgements?

[RedSceptile]

I have 8.6. there's a 9.0? I'll have to get my hands on it.

 

And I knew I was forgetting something. I'd though about adding RotA in with the second Dark Grepher earlier today' date=' but it seemed to slip my mind while I was making the edits.

 

I don't think I can totally rely on drawing 1 of 3 D-Fissures and 2 Macro Cosmos in early game, so I'm loath to cut the Reborn. I think Enemy Controller would have to go. I'm at a loss as to what else I should cut for the 2nd RotA. Monster Reborn may be the next best option. I don't know, should I go to 2 Judgements?

[/quote']

 

Don't drop a Solemn Judgemnt. Ever.

 

I have 9.0 it's in beta stage, that's where you can catch me dueling on it works about 70% of the time but hey no I.P. I digress...it's a toss up between Monster Reborn and Enemy Controller. You yourself have to make that final decision. Playtest and decide which one is consistently least helpful/useful and make the appropirate cuts. Theorymon can only go so far, actual testing has to occur to see what is lacking.

[The Dark One]

I've started to test the deck. I've decided to actually drop both Reborn and Controller in favor of 2 RotA.

 

It seems to be working out pretty well. It can be annoying when I don't draw into a D-Fissure for a while, but I have enough other removal agents that even that isn't really a problem.