Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 I'd rather be a poor master of my fate than having someone I don't know making me rich by running it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Explained like this, I do not envy the UK at this point. Very stubborn to assume one would get everything they want in negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hard brexit is looking like the best option imo. Theresa may has bungled the damn deal so hard that it's hard to believe she didn't screw things up on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hard brexit is looking like the best option imo. Theresa may has bungled the damn deal so hard that it's hard to believe she didn't screw things up on purpose.What about Northern Ireland? A Hard Brexit, from the looks of it, would funk up the Good Friday Agreement, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 What about Northern Ireland? A Hard Brexit, from the looks of it, would funk up the Good Friday Agreement, wouldn't it?Are you in favor of giving into terrorist demands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Are you in favor of giving into terrorist demands?Oh, so I'm giving into terrorist demands for asking if a Hard Brexit violates an agreement? Are you stupid or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Oh, so I'm giving into terrorist demands for asking if a Hard Brexit violates an agreement? Are you stupid or something?No? I just know that the whole reason the Good Friday agreement exists is cuz the IRA was assassinating pols, and they had to broker a peace with terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 No? I just know that the whole reason the Good Friday agreement exists is cuz the IRA was assassinating pols, and they had to broker a peace with terrorists. http://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa Last time I checked, the Good Friday Agreement was between both Irish Governments and the UK. Yes, it was a result of The Troubles, but still an agreement between Governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 http://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa Last time I checked, the Good Friday Agreement was between both Irish Governments and the UK. Yes, it was a result of The Troubles, but still an agreement between Governments.It was them cucking to the troubles. That's like Syria and America coming to an agreement because ISIS was burning fools. It capitulation. If the whole argument of a hard brexit hinges on, we'd violate the GFA and anger the IRA, that's not a great place to be for a pretty powerful nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 What about Northern Ireland? A Hard Brexit, from the looks of it, would funk up the Good Friday Agreement, wouldn't it?I get your point, but i don't see why it would matter all that much. it's just returning the power to the local level instead of going through the EU. as far as any agreements go, they can readjust them as they go along. if they stop being corrupt/idiots, readjusting any affected deals as necessary shouldn't be too much of an issue. which is why i say theresa may is a complete fool. she has bungled even the most basic aspects of the deal regarding brexit, and managed to piss off both the leave and remain parties at the same time. given a week or two tops to think and study up, i could likely come up with better terms than anything she has placed within her deal in the past three years. her deal manages to quit the EU, regain zero powers tat would come with quitting the EU, surrender their status in the actual halls of the EU, and subject themselves to every piece of litigation that the EU decides to write out in the future. How anybody could call that a proper brexit is beyond me. her new iteration ust barely manages to remove the damages that her old deal plans would have placed britain under, and still remains such a net negative that still nobody is happy about it. Brexit isn't the failure, theresa may is. brexit is merely depatiing from the EU, and renegotiating a contract, theresa may (and those in parliament) is the reason that brexit hasn't even been properly completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/12/brexit-mps-vote-theresa-may-backstop-deal-jeremy-corbyn-politics-live May's deal loses 391-242. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/12/brexit-mps-vote-theresa-may-backstop-deal-jeremy-corbyn-politics-live May's deal loses 391-242.I was just about to report this. TBH, I'm not surprised as the Attorney General put doubts on May's legal assurances. Hell, I don't know how much of an impact those had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I was just about to report this. TBH, I'm not surprised as the Attorney General put doubts on May's legal assurances. Hell, I don't know how much of an impact those had.Said assurances that Theresa May had gotten from Brussels last night apparently weren't enough to convince MPs (like the DUP who all voted against) to back the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/13/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-leaving-the-eu-with-no-deal-politics-live MPs rule out no deal by 4 votes (312-308), however it isn't a binding amendment.The Malthouse amendment loses by 164-374. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/13/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-leaving-the-eu-with-no-deal-politics-live MPs rule out no deal by 4 votes (312-308), however it isn't a binding amendment.The Malthouse amendment loses by 164-374.Damn, that was close. Well, tomorrow's vote may or may not force a No Deal to happen in spite of today's vote.As for the Malthouse Amendment, can I get a tl;dr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Damn, that was close. Well, tomorrow's vote may or may not force a No Deal to happen in spite of today's vote.Yeah, because technically, legally speaking, no deal is still on the table as JR-M stated that the vote doesn't affect the legislation of article 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 No deal is more popular than people want to admit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Yeah, because technically, legally speaking, no deal is still on the table as JR-M stated that the vote doesn't affect the legislation of article 50.Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan. No deal is more popular than people want to admitNo, no it isn't. Businesses don't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan.Yes, the Spelman amendment seeked to rule out no deal in any scenario, BUT it doesn't change the law as a bill to officially rule it out doesn't exist yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan. No, no it isn't. Businesses don't want it.The people might, it only failed by 4 votes That's the sorta margin you'd strong arm to make work in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 The people might, it only failed by 4 votes That's the sorta margin you'd strong arm to make work in the USThe 4 vote margin was the Spelman Amendment. The actual vote was 321-278. Also, enjoy this. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-47563144 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 The majority against a second referendum is 100 votes bigger than the majority against May's deal.Any MP who says that 'a second referendum is the only way forward now' because May's deal was defeated is being beyond hypocritical. Latest majority against May's deal: 149Latest majority against 2nd Ref: 249 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 The majority against a second referendum is 100 votes bigger than the majority against May's deal. Any MP who says that 'a second referendum is the only way forward now' because May's deal was defeated is being beyond hypocritical. Latest majority against May's deal: 149Latest majority against 2nd Ref: 249Timing was an issue for Labor, not the principle; hence, they abstained. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Timing was an issue for Labor, not the principle; hence, they abstained. Try again.Doesn't change what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 A third meaningful vote on May's has been preempted unless it is substantially different from the previous one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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