UK EU Referendum [In or Out?]

[vla1ne]

How may hasn't been kicked out of office baffles me to this day. She has consistently taken the perfect route towards screwing over the leave AND remain voters. Had she broke clean, this wouldn't be a problem. If she'd flat out reneged UK wouldn't have been dragged through hell waiting for the knife to stop twitching.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

How may hasn't been kicked out of office baffles me to this day. She has consistently taken the perfect route towards screwing over the leave AND remain voters. Had she broke clean, this wouldn't be a problem. If she'd flat out reneged UK wouldn't have been dragged through hell waiting for the knife to stop twitching.

Because Politicians don't represent those who they were elected by. We see it in America, we see it in the UK

 

May has too many loyalists or she would have lost the No Confidence vote

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Well, that last No Confidence Vote was just for May's party, and we've got a Parliament-wide No Confidence Vote now that May's Brexit deal was destroyed. A May Victory there could lead to calls for a Second Referendum.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/15/brexit-vote-parliament-latest-news-may-corbyn-gove-tells-tories-they-can-improve-outcome-if-mays-deal-passed-politics-live

[~British Soul~]

I'm not surprised that MPs voted by such a wide margin to vote down the deal, given that it was originally delayed due to assumptions that it was going to be defeated. As for Corbyn firing a Parliament-wide no confidence vote, it was merely a question of when not if. He mentioned on Sunday that he was going to trigger it at some point if the deal was voted down.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

A second referendum just sounds shitty, whats stopping a third referendum?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

A second referendum just sounds shitty, whats stopping a third referendum?

A Second Referendum would be "you've seen how the process has played out. Stay, Deal, or No Deal". It'd put the final decision in the hands of the citizens, since the Government can't seem to get it done.

[vla1ne]

This smacks of "We'll keep doing this until you give us the answer we deem correct."

 

Theresa may has not once actually made any notable effort towards what brexit should have been, and has been blatantly stalling the whole thing for years now. There should not be a second referendum, because the first was never followed through upon. not even sure why she thinks there should be another vote on the thing they never acted on. They agreed that the vote would decide whether they leave or stay, and now that it's come down to the wire they want to back out? That doesn't seem fair to me, especially after already dancing around the event in question for years.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

This smacks of "We'll keep doing this until you give us the answer we deem correct."

 

Theresa may has not once actually made any notable effort towards what brexit should have been, and has been blatantly stalling the whole thing for years now. There should not be a second referendum, because the first was never followed through upon. not even sure why she thinks there should be another vote on the thing they never acted on. They agreed that the vote would decide whether they leave or stay, and now that it's come down to the wire they want to back out? That doesn't seem fair to me, especially after already dancing around the event in question for years.

No, a Second Referendum says "are you sure you want to go through with this, knowing what you know now?". It's not that hard to get, though I do agree that this should've been dealt with by now.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So what's stopping a third referendum from being demanded after the EU continues being funking bastards?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

So what's stopping a third referendum from being demanded after the EU continues being funking bastards?

Only need two. If the UK still decide to go through with Brexit after all they know now, then so be it. I'm in the position that the citizens should be able to make an informed decision, especially with the threat of a No Deal Brexit.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Ah so the last referendum should be the one that ends in your favor. Mulligan till you make it like Vla1ne noted

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Ah so the last referendum should be the one that ends in your favor. Mulligan till you make it like Vla1ne noted

Did you even pay attention to what I said? There is more information than the citizens had at the first referendum, and I think they should get final say considering their representatives can't seem to get their act together.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Did you even pay attention to what I said? There is more information than the citizens had at the first referendum, and I think they should get final say considering their representatives can't seem to get their act together.

And there won't be more information after an arbitrary cut off second referendum?

If I had more information about how the Democrats sucked, I wouldn't have voted for Mark Warner in 2014, and he won his senate seat by 0.1%

 

I'm sure a lot of southern Virginia would regret voting for him now, do we get redos?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

And there won't be more information after an arbitrary cut off second referendum?If I had more information about how the Democrats sucked, I wouldn't have voted for Mark Warner in 2014, and he won his senate seat by 0.1%

 

I'm sure a lot of southern Virginia would regret voting for him now, do we get redos?

Touché. I'm more worried about No Deal funking up the UK in a couple months, though I admit I don't have a stake in it personally.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Touché. I'm more worried about No Deal funking up the UK in a couple months, though I admit I don't have a stake in it personally.

No deal brexit means they can trade with us without dealing with the funking EU regs, every american should be for it

[Nathanael D. Striker]

No deal brexit means they can trade with us without dealing with the funking EU regs, every american should be for it

Maybe, just maybe, I care for others. No Deal would funk their economy while they renegotiate their trade deals. WTO rules would bite them in the ass.

[~British Soul~]

I agree, a no deal Brexit would be disastrous for the economy and I know a number of MPs want to rule that out for that reason given the economy has been growing the past few years.

As for the idea of a second referendum (something that the Lib Dem leader Vince Cable supports), Theresa May has said time and again that it would be a defiance of the wishes of the voters. Though we know more than we did back then, so if it did happen, I'd also think it'd go along the lines of "are you sure you want to go through with this, knowing what you know now?".

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I agree, a no deal Brexit would be disastrous for the economy and I know a number of MPs want to rule that out for that reason given the economy has been growing the past few years.

As for the idea of a second referendum (something that the Lib Dem leader Vince Cable supports), Theresa May has said time and again that it would be a defiance of the wishes of the voters. Though we know more than we did back then, so if it did happen, I'd also think it'd go along the lines of "are you sure you want to go through with this, knowing what you know now?".

Only 78 labor MPs supported a second ref today. The numbers aren't there. And again, the same question I posed to Striker stands

[~British Soul~]

Only 78 Labour MPs supported a second ref today. The numbers aren't there. And again, the same question I posed to Striker stands

The numbers also don't seem to support a defeat for the government in the no-confidence vote later today. As for the question you posed Striker. If a second referendum were to take place and the people change their mind and the EU continue to be bastards, then the people would be like "why'd we bother changing our minds?" and trust between them and the politicians would further deteriorate.

 

EDIT (7:30pm GMT): It has been confirmed that the government has survived the no-confidence vote 325-306

[Nathanael D. Striker]

May's Government defeated the No Confidence Vote 325-306. So, the mess keeps on chugging along. Cue the calls for a Second Referendum.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/16/brexit-vote-theresa-may-faces-no-confidence-vote-after-crushing-defeat

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

May's Government defeated the No Confidence Vote 325-306. So, the mess keeps on chugging along. Cue the calls for a Second Referendum.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/16/brexit-vote-theresa-may-faces-no-confidence-vote-after-crushing-defeat

It just failed, it only got 78 labor votes for it. 

[Nathanael D. Striker]

It just failed, it only got 78 labor votes for it.

 

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[vla1ne]

No, a Second Referendum says "are you sure you want to go through with this, knowing what you know now?". It's not that hard to get, though I do agree that this should've been dealt with by now.

The thing is, they can't do that reasonably. As i said, the never even got the chance to get the first one. Theresa may screwed them every step of the way on brexit, and as has been stated by multiple people more knowlwdgable than i; Her brexit deal is essentially the same as staying in the EU, but with less say and more paying (from them to the EU). what she's done shouldn ot even be remotely counted as a brexit, as they never even took the steps to make one happen properly. Even the no deal brexit looks better than the"deal" she worked out for brexit. It would be like holding a reelection because the politicians who lost didn't like the outcome.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

The thing is, they can't do that reasonably. As i said, the never even got the chance to get the first one. Theresa may screwed them every step of the way on brexit, and as has been stated by multiple people more knowlwdgable than i; Her brexit deal is essentially the same as staying in the EU, but with less say and more paying (from them to the EU). what she's done shouldn ot even be remotely counted as a brexit, as they never even took the steps to make one happen properly. Even the no deal brexit looks better than the"deal" she worked out for brexit. It would be like holding a reelection because the politicians who lost didn't like the outcome.

The part about May and her Government was what I was referring to. Add Scotland's displeasure and the Ireland/North Ireland issue and No Deal becomes a not so good thing.

[vla1ne]

The part about May and her Government was what I was referring to. Add Scotland's displeasure and the Ireland/North Ireland issue and No Deal becomes a not so good thing.

From what i've heard and seen, that's a complete 180 on what she ran on before she got into office. at this point, it's not the fault of brexit, it's the fault of the person in charge, who pretty much lied to the people, and from what i can tell, screwed the deal for the sole purpose of getting a second brexit vote. Without a proper breakoff (deal or not deal) the people did not get what they voted for, and holding a second vote, After screwing over the millions who actually voted fairly, could easily lead to riots against the government beyond even what paris is seeing, and for a (somewhat) justified reason.