Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 In 1919, while promoting the concept of the League of Nations on his Tour of America, Woodrow Wilson suffered a stroke, and was immediately rerouted back to Washington DC. During the train ride back, however, he suffered a second stroke. Immobile while being physically and mentally incapable of continuing the role as President, his wife at the time, Edith Wilson, took over Executive roles for a period of six months. In an effort to keep the public from panic, Woodrow's illness and condition was kept away from public eye. Woodrow's Vice President at the time was not allowed to see Woodrow himself. With this, Edith was the defacto decision-maker in which bills and issues would be brought to Woodrow's attention. For 6 straight months, Edith Wilson was the most powerful women in the United States and is technically, and logically, the 29th President of the United States of America. If Hillary Clinton wins the race, I want to make it pretty clear, no matter what is said, she will NOT be the first female President. That honor belongs to Edith and Edith alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Clinton would however be the first female VOTED into office, which is arguably more of an accomplishment and means much more. Edith did a fine job, but she wasn't elected and really shouldn't have been doing what she did, constitutionally. The duty of the Presidency does not fall to the First Lady/Gentleman, there is a line of succession. It was different back then than it is now, but it did exist. Again, Edith did well enough, and the sentiment is noted, but if Clinton does win, she really will be the first legitimate President of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I think that's more of a coup than a president. She took power in a way that is not allowed for in the constitution and is more terrifying that anything else in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Doesn't make her not the 29th. If Hillary says she is the first woman voted than sure. If she says first female President she is being historically inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 It actually does if she was never given the authority of the president officially which from your description is what seems to have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 It actually does if she was never given the authority of the president officially which from your description is what seems to have happened.Who gave George Washington authority to be President of the United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch Steal Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 She was technically an executive, whether constitutionally or not. This is biased, but I take no issue with this. I doubt she did worse than Hillary could do anyway. That's interesting, actually, that it's unconstitutional for the person closest to the president to not become the president if the president dies. I mean, don't quote me, but I'm pretty confident that President and Vice President both come in the same package (e.g. Obama Biden). Obviously, the first lady shouldn't feel inclined to become the president, but I think there could be that option. dont freak out Who gave George Washington authority to be President of the United States? i loled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 The constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 She was technically an executive, whether constitutionally or not. This is biased, but I take no issue with this. I doubt she did worse than Hillary could do anyway. That's interesting, actually, that it's unconstitutional for the person closest to the president to not become the president if the president dies. I mean, don't quote me, but I'm pretty confident that President and Vice President both come in the same package (e.g. Obama Biden). Obviously, the first lady shouldn't feel inclined to become the president, but I think there could be that option. dont freak outAgain, I am not saying whether she was good or bad, I am just saying she was the 29th President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Again, I am not saying whether she was good or bad, I am just saying she was the 29th President.Except the major requirement to be president is that you are elected to that office. If you weren't elected to do that work, you weren't the president, regardless of whether you did what the president would do. Also, Google once in a while. George Washington was elected unanimously by the Electoral College in 1789 and 1792. Edith Wilson was not a president, at all. She assisted the president in an intimate and influential fashion, and did well at it, and it is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Except the sole requirement to be president is that you are elected to that office. If you weren't elected to do that work, you weren't the president, regardless of whether you did what the president would do. Also, Google once in a while. George Washington was elected unanimously by the Electoral College in 1789 and 1792. Edith Wilson was not a president, at all. She assisted the president in an intimate and influential fashion, and did well at it, and it is appreciated.But did THE PEOPLE give him that authority, or the electoral college? Also if the sole requirement is that you are elected, than Vice President's who were moved to President due to Presidential deaths are not technically President's at all. And I did google, I think it is subjective opinion on whether George Washington earned that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 itt: nepotism is cool when it devalues people we don't want to vote for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 But did THE PEOPLE give him that authority, or the electoral college? Also if the sole requirement is that you are elected, than Vice President's who were moved to President due to Presidential deaths are not technically President's at all. And I did google, I think it is subjective opinion on whether George Washington earned that position.The Electoral College was the representatives of the people of the US and still are today. Whether they should be or how they should work is a different topic entirely. Vice Presidents are elected, and when they are, it is not only to be the Vice President, but to be able to serve as the president of the need arises. They also take the oath when they need to do so, as does the president, which Edith did not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 The Electoral College was the representatives of the people of the US and still are today. Whether they should be or how they should work is a different topic entirely. Vice Presidents are elected, and when they are, it is not only to be the Vice President, but to be able to serve as the president of the need arises. They also take the oath, as does the president, which Edith did not do.They are not elected, the actual President is. The running mate is simply there for certain rare scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 They are not elected, the actual President is. The running mate is simply there for certain rare scenarios.They run as a pair. They are part of the election. Whether the people are reading their ballot or care who their VP is is irrelevant to the fact that they are voted to that office. Also again, the oath, though that isn't my main point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 They run as a pair. They are part of the election. Whether the people are reading their ballot or care who their VP is is irrelevant to the fact that they are voted to that office.We are reaching an impasse, I do not believe Vice President's are elected, you do. I don't think we are going to get anywhere here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 We are reaching an impasse, I do not believe Vice President's are elected, you do. I don't think we are going to get anywhere here.Neat, poor argumentative skills. Always a pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I fail to see how this all matters since Hillary isn't gonna win :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I fail to see how all this matters....that's all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I fail to see how all this matters....that's all I got.Then why post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Then why post?Because I'm sharing my opinion that who the "technical first female president" would be doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Well, someone had to do the job while Woodrow couldn't. As for the issue of if she was really president, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Man. You niggas stir up more drama than females. "Well technically she wouldn't be ________.""Well technically _____ came first."God damn. I didn't know YCM was first on politics. Scuse my french, but funk if Hilary wins bruh. She polls behind Trump (even though I don't like him). Not to mention more people dislike her than they do Trump. So it's w/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I mean, if we are going to jabroni about technicalities, she was never president. Assuming executive power isn't the same as holding the official position. The closest thing would be the very real title of "acting president," though her actually making decisions herself is nothing that can be confirmed, as what she actually did was relay information back and forth to and from her husband. Whether she took advantage of the situation to effectively seize control of the united states is up for debate, but if she did, should we really be lauding her for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Man. You niggas stir up more drama than females. "Well technically she wouldn't be ________." "Well technically _____ came first." God damn. I didn't know YCM was first on politics. Scuse my french, but funk if Hilary wins bruh. She polls behind Trump (even though I don't like him). Not to mention more people dislike her than they do Trump. So it's w/e.Trump tanked in recent polls actually. Going after that damn judge really bit him hard 11% drop w/ Independents and a 3% drop with Republicans He's still ahead of Hills with Independents, but polls about 3% behind her overall nationally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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