.Nu-13 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 When Sun Dragon Inti is destroyed by monster that has 3000 atk, and both monsters are destroyed, do Sun Dragon's effect activates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 When Sun Dragon Inti is destroyed by monster that has 3000 atk' date=' and both monsters are destroyed, do Sun Dragon's effect activates?[/quote'] Its first effect will activate since its mandatory, but it will do nothing since the monster that destroyed it is already destroyed and in the Graveyard. Its second effect will still activate successfully though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Thanks for your answers. I got 2 more questions: 1. If I Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Laquari" with the effect of "Gladiator Beast Darius", does it still return to the Deck if it battles, even if his effect was negated by Darius? I was told it does because the effect of returning to the Deck is a condition, but I say that is still an effect, which is negated by Darius. 2. Is the first effect of "Ancient Gear Engineer" active while is in the Graveyard, so I cannot Special Summon it with "Call of the Haunted"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I am playing WC09 right now. I noticed I can summon Ice Dragon by discarding itself. Can I believe the videogame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I am playing WC09 right now. I noticed I can summon Ice Dragon by discarding itself. Can I believe the videogame? Yes. This also works with Machina Fortress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Thanks for your answers. I got 2 more questions: 1. If I Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Laquari" with the effect of "Gladiator Beast Darius"' date=' does it still return to the Deck if it battles, even if his effect was negated by Darius? I was told it does because the effect of returning to the Deck is a condition, but I say that is still an effect, which is negated by Darius. 2. Is the first effect of "Ancient Gear Engineer" active while is in the Graveyard, so I cannot Special Summon it with "Call of the Haunted"?[/quote'] 1) You have to look at each part of this. Remember, Effects are negated, not conditions or costs.a) "If this card attacked or was attacked" is the condition. This has to happen for you to activate effects.b) "you can return it from the field to the Deck at the end of the Battle Phase to" is the cost. Note that it says you CAN return. You do not have to.c) "Special Summon 1 "Gladiator Beast" monster from your Deck, except "Gladiator Beast Laquari"." This is the effect. This is what gets negated by Darius. As you can see, If your Laquari attacks, and you choose to return it to the deck, the effect of "Special Summoning 1 'Gladiator Beast' monster" will be negated by Darius. Also, remember that you CAN return a GB monster to the deck to use that effect, it is not mandatory. 2) It should only apply when the monster is face-up on the field, therefore, you should be able to use "Call of the Haunted" on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 I see. So, I can return Laquari to the Deck but I won't be able to Special Summon the Gladiator Beast from the Deck. Thanks for your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Actually, now that i think about it, Call of the Haunted still targets the monster it revives, so when Ancient Gear Engineer is finally Summoned, it is still targeted by Call of the Haunted... though in that case Ancient Gear Engineer might then negate Call of the Haunted then destroy it. Though in that case, Ancient Gear Engineer would still be on the field, since it negated "Call of the Haunted" before removing it from the field... Anyone want to clarify? Maybe i'll try it in one of the DS/PSP games and see what it thinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 i think i know the answer to this question, but i need to ask. does swallow flip destroy tragoedia? i don't think so. And what are the most significant monsters swallow flip can destroy besides gorz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 i think i know the answer to this question' date=' but i need to ask. does swallow flip destroy tragoedia? i don't think so. And what are the most significant monsters swallow flip can destroy besides gorz?[/quote'] No. Swallow Flip kills a good amount of GBs, as well as any monster with a non-ignition effect which has its effect activate when there's a summon. This means it can kill Wanghu and Cyber Dinosaur (but nobody uses them anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 i think i know the answer to this question' date=' but i need to ask. does swallow flip destroy tragoedia? i don't think so. And what are the most significant monsters swallow flip can destroy besides gorz?[/quote'] No. Swallow Flip kills a good amount of GBs, as well as any monster with a non-ignition effect which has its effect activate when there's a summon. This means it can kill Wanghu and Cyber Dinosaur (but nobody uses them anyways). thanks for your answer. it's good to know it's effect against GB's(even though no one uses them anymore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 i think i know the answer to this question' date=' but i need to ask. does swallow flip destroy tragoedia? i don't think so. And what are the most significant monsters swallow flip can destroy besides gorz?[/quote'] No. Swallow Flip kills a good amount of GBs, as well as any monster with a non-ignition effect which has its effect activate when there's a summon. This means it can kill Wanghu and Cyber Dinosaur (but nobody uses them anyways). thanks for your answer. it's good to know it's effect against GB's(even though no one uses them anymore) You're bound to run into the odd person here and there that's trying to make them work again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥ Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Alright I was wondering if you could use to reverse the LP pay target of your Psychic monster to your opponent? Meaning if you use Master Gig's effect could you use Barrel Behind the Door to deal your opponent 1000 points of damage instead of you paying 1000 LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Alright I was wondering if you could use to reverse the LP pay target of your Psychic monster to your opponent? Meaning if you use Master Gig's effect could you use Barrel Behind the Door to deal your opponent 1000 points of damage instead of you paying 1000 LP? You're not taking damage - you're paying life points. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥ Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Alright I was wondering if you could use to reverse the LP pay target of your Psychic monster to your opponent? Meaning if you use Master Gig's effect could you use Barrel Behind the Door to deal your opponent 1000 points of damage instead of you paying 1000 LP? You're not taking damage - you're paying life points. So no. Tis a shame.... Thank you ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Um...yea...You can Stardust a Solemn and vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Um...yea...You can Stardust a Solemn and vice versa? You cannot use Stardust Dragon to negate Solemn Judgment. The former is Spell Speed 2; the latter, Spell Speed 3. You can use Solemn Judgment to negate the Synchro Summon of a Stardust Dragon. However, you cannot use Solemn Judgment to negate the effect of Stardust Dragon that Special Summons itself, as it is not a Summon effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I shee =0 thank you all-powerful Crab Also...Re-Fusion can't be used on Fusions that say, "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 What happens when I discard a DW for Mind Crushes effect? I presume it doesn't go off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 What happens when I discard a DW for Mind Crushes effect? I presume it doesn't go off... It does iirc, why wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Discarding is a cost isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Discarding is a cost isn't it? How on earth could it be a cost when you don't even know if you'll need to discard until the effect resolves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 ... I feel stoopid. I haven't read it in a while, just checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboss144 Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 What happens when I discard a DW for Mind Crushes effect? I presume it doesn't go off... It does iirc' date=' why wouldn't it?[/quote']Yeah, it goes off, but who's stupid enough to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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