shadowferret Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 T_TThere goes my Lycanthrope deck idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 DD Assailant VS Skill Drain At the time that it is destroyed by battle, it is in the Graveyard (or, in the case of Macro/Fissure, removed from the game) and therefore not on the field and therefore not face-up and therefore not affected by Skill Drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 DD Assailant VS Skill Drain At the time that it is destroyed by battle' date=' it is in the Graveyard (or, in the case of Macro/Fissure, removed from the game) and therefore not on the field and therefore not face-up and therefore not affected by Skill Drain.[/quote'] You sure? After a monster is destroyed by battle, it stays 'floating' on the field for a bit, not in the Graveyard. That's when Flip effects/ect resolve and I think DD Ass could be the same, although I'm not sure if that causes Skill Drain to negate or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 When my/I summon a Beast King barbaros' date=' does the effect that makes it 1900 Activate or not? If so, can I negate its efect and draw a card with By Order of the Emporer. Doubting it, but still[/quote'] That effect doesn't start a chain. I think it's continuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 DD Assailant VS Skill Drain At the time that it is destroyed by battle' date=' it is in the Graveyard (or, in the case of Macro/Fissure, removed from the game) and therefore not on the field and therefore not face-up and therefore not affected by Skill Drain.[/quote'] You sure? After a monster is destroyed by battle, it stays 'floating' on the field for a bit, not in the Graveyard. That's when Flip effects/ect resolve and I think DD Ass could be the same, although I'm not sure if that causes Skill Drain to negate or not. You've got it a little wrong there. After a flip monster is attacked, it's effect activates BEFORE it is destroyed. DD assailant activates after it is sent to the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 In the text of Synchro Change doesn't say that the summon is a synchro summon' date=' so I suppose the synchros cannot be reborned from the graveyard. But I want to know about this specific case: I summon Stardust Dragon with this. I use book of moon and then flip it face-up to recover it's effect. Later during the duel I tribute Stardust for it's own effect. Question: Will Stardust be Special Summoned by it's own effect? If that is possible, can I special summon Stardust that was previously special summoned by it's own effect, or is it still treated as not properly summoned?[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Does Kaibaman count as an "Ally of Justice" monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 No, why on earth would it? >_>Unless it's name is REALLY odd in the OCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 No' date=' why on earth would it? >_>Unless it's name is REALLY odd in the OCG.[/quote'] His Japanese name is Ally of Justice Kaibaman. So I suppose he would benefit from support of Ally of Justice support, provided they didn't say "except Kaibaman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 No' date=' why on earth would it? >_>Unless it's name is REALLY odd in the OCG.[/quote'] His Japanese name is Ally of Justice Kaibaman. So I suppose he would benefit from support of Ally of Justice support, provided they didn't say "except Kaibaman". They don't. :P That means English prints should say "or Kaibaman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 No' date=' why on earth would it? >_>Unless it's name is REALLY odd in the OCG.[/quote'] His Japanese name is Ally of Justice Kaibaman. So I suppose he would benefit from support of Ally of Justice support, provided they didn't say "except Kaibaman". They don't. :P That means English prints should say "or Kaibaman". Go ahead and use it (lol LIGHT in Ally of Justice), and if they tell you it doesn't work, refer to Harpie's Brother not getting the support of or supporting other Harpie monsters because its Japanese name is Birdman for a similar ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 No' date=' why on earth would it? >_>Unless it's name is REALLY odd in the OCG.[/quote'] His Japanese name is Ally of Justice Kaibaman. So I suppose he would benefit from support of Ally of Justice support, provided they didn't say "except Kaibaman". They don't. :P That means English prints should say "or Kaibaman". Go ahead and use it (lol LIGHT in Ally of Justice), and if they tell you it doesn't work, refer to Harpie's Brother not getting the support of or supporting other Harpie monsters because its Japanese name is Birdman for a similar ruling. Actually the "Ally of Justice" is spelled differently on Kaibaman than on A•O•J monsters, so Kaibaman doesn't count. This is similar to why Frog the Jam isn't a "Frog" monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:pyramid:. Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 does naturia antjaws effect trigger with black garden???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Seraphim Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 does naturia antjaws effect trigger with black garden???? Gardens rulings says: The player that Normal or Special Summoned a monster chooses which of their opponent's Monster Card Zones the "Rose Token" is Special Summoned into. The player that Normal or Special Summoned a monster is considered to be the "owner" of the "Rose Token". Naturia says: When your opponent Special Summons a monster' date=' you can Special Summon 1 Level 3 or lower "Naturia" monster from your Deck.[/quote'] Seeing as your considered to be the owner and B. Garden also says: When a monster is Normal or Special Summoned' date=' except by the effect of "Black Garden", halve its ATK and Special Summon 1 "Rose Token" (Plant-Type/DARK/Level 2/ATK 800/DEF 800) to its controller's opponent's side of the field, in Attack Position.[/quote'] I'm gonna say no because your the one that sp. summoned the token.In the text of Synchro Change doesn't say that the summon is a synchro summon' date=' so I suppose the synchros cannot be reborned from the graveyard. But I want to know about this specific case: I summon Stardust Dragon with this. I use book of moon and then flip it face-up to recover it's effect. Later during the duel I tribute Stardust for it's own effect. Question: Will Stardust be Special Summoned by it's own effect? If that is possible, can I special summon Stardust that was previously special summoned by it's own effect, or is it still treated as not properly summoned?[/quote'] Oke lets see ... - Flipping Stardust face down -> face up will recover it's effect. - The Stardust will be sp. summoned by it's own effect (if tributed to negate something). - The Stardust that came back by it's own effect dies in battle, i don't think you can get him back because he never was properly synchro summoned. At least thats what i think ^^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 @ Saikano: No it wont. If you BoM it, it is flip summoned, its effect will restore, but it still was never properly special summoned. If you trib stardust with its own effect, it will not be able to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Question: What kind of Special Summons can negate Thunder King Rai-Oh anyway? It's rulings are so damn criptic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Question: What kind of Special Summons can negate Thunder King Rai-Oh anyway? It's rulings are so damn criptic hmm? I don't understand your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Question: What kind of Special Summons can negate Thunder King Rai-Oh anyway? It's rulings are so damn criptic hmm? I don't understand your question. To make it a bit more clear:"Thunder King Rai-Oh's" second effect can be activated at the same timing as "Solemn Judgment"' date=' "Horn of Heaven", etc., to negate Special Summons that do not start a Chain.[/quote'] So what kind of Special Summons negates Thunder King? And how can't I negate, let's say, Wulf and Call of the Haunted, but I can negate stuff like DAD and JD. Has it something to with the timing or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Direct special summons are what TK can negate. Cards like DAD and JD that come out throught thier own merit and not by an effect. IE Synchro summoning, and Contact Fusion. Cards that require an effect Like Call, or Mystic tomato can slip past TK. Hope that helps. Here's a little hint. If it needs help from any other card, TK can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Direct special summons are what TK can negate. Cards like DAD and JD that come out throught thier own merit and not by an effect. IE Synchro summoning' date=' and Contact Fusion. Cards that require an effect Like Call, or Mystic tomato can slip past TK. Hope that helps. Here's a little hint. If it needs help from any other card, TK can't do it.[/quote'] Ah, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Can Stardust Dragon and Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode activate in response to Yomi Ship? Also, Prohibition VS a Stardust Dragon that would revive itself on the End Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Can Stardust Dragon and Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode activate in response to Yomi Ship? Yes. Also' date=' Prohibition VS a Stardust Dragon that would revive itself on the End Phase.[/quote'] A declared Monster Card can be Special Summoned from the Deck' date=' Graveyard, or Removed Zone. If this happens, the Monster Card's effects are not applied, and it cannot attack or change its battle position manually. Any maintainence costs must still be paid.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Does the effect of Chaos End Master activates at the same time than searchers (Giant Rat, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I would compare it more closely to Shura and Hydrogedon. If that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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