~~~~ Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, there are no restrictions on any of these cards that would state so otherwise. What exactly do you mean when you say immediately? If you are to say before the opponent can activate any cards, then that's a no, you must follow Fast Effect Timing rules, which I linked below. http://yugioh-card.com/en/gameplay/fasteffects_timing.htmlI believe that Dragulas is asking if Astrograph has to be in your hand at the time your cards are destroyed in order for Astrograph to be able to "see" the destruction happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I believe that Dragulas is asking if Astrograph has to be in your hand at the time your cards are destroyed in order for Astrograph to be able to "see" the destruction happening.Indeed To clarify things i want to know if its possible: Activate wavering eyes, pop, search astro/crono, activate that astro/crono i just searched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm guessing you ask because it would be similar to that trick with Star Seraphs where you can Summon Scepter, chain Sovereignty #1 to the Summon, and Sovereignty #2 searched by Scepter can be Summoned right away because the chain that just resolved included the Summon of Sovereignty #1?If so, then this case is a tricky one. I would think that just like Sovereignty #2 doesn't have to "see" or be on hand during the Summon of the other Seraphs, the Sorcerers shouldn't need to be on hand or "see" the actual destruction of the cards; since the Sorcerer's effect have the "If" keyword, like Seraph Sovereignty's effect also does, missing the timing shouldn't be an issue. Following the precedence of Scepter-Sovereignty interaction, then you should be able to, unless I am missing something; but I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped a BKSS ruling on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notcleverusername Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 So I've been told, Wavering to add Astrograph > summon the added Astrograph is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 If i use Wavering Eyes pop 2 scales (at least), then search for astrograph or chronograph can any of those be activated immediately? http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/gameplay/fasteffects_timing.html Box A: You have Wavering Eyes in your hand, 2 cards in your Pendulum Zones, and Astrograph Magician in your Deck. -> Middle Dark Blue Box: You activate Wavering Eyes. -> Box D • The Chain is built. • Chain Link 1: You activate Wavering Eyes. • The Chain resolves. • Chain Link 1 resolves: You destroy both cards in your Pendulum Zones, inflict 500 damage to your opponent, then add Astrograph Magician from your Deck to your hand. After a Chain Resolves -> Yellow Box (Does this activate a triggered effect?): The Trigger Effect of Astrograph Magician that is now in your hand (a card you control was destroyed by card effect). YES -> Box D Because Astrograph Magician's Trigger Effect activates while it's in the hand, it doesn't need to be in your hand when a card you control is destroyed by battle or card effect for you to be able to activate its effect once you get to the yellow box in the chart. This is only the case because it activates in the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Can 2 copies of Trickstar Lycoris target the same card to special summon themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Can 2 copies of Trickstar Lycoris target the same card to special summon themselves?I believe you are able to do the same thing with Call of the Haunted, so yes? I am not sure if the same case applies here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Can 2 copies of Trickstar Lycoris target the same card to special summon themselves?You can do something like this. Chain Link 1: You activate the first Lycoris's Ignition Effect, targeting Candina you control.Chain Link 2: You activate the second Lycoris's Ignition Effect, targeting that same Candina you control. Chain Link 2 resolves: You Special Summon the second Lycoris and return Candina to the hand.Chain Link 1 resolves: You Special Summon the first Lycoris. Since Candina is no longer a monster on the field, you don't return it. ("A, and if you do, B" means you do A even if you can determine you aren't able to do B.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Are the Extra Monster Zones considered to be part of the column they are centered in ?Or: Can Blasting Fuse destroy monsters in an Extra Monster Zone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Are the Extra Monster Zones considered to be part of the column they are centered in ?Or: Can Blasting Fuse destroy monsters in an Extra Monster Zone ?They are considered part of that column, Blasting Fuse will destroy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShimoHkun1 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 When you activate "Side Effects?" who decides how many cards are drawn or how is it decided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 When you activate "Side Effects?" who decides how many cards are drawn or how is it decided?Your opponent does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I can't find any rulings on this on the wiki, so I thought to pose the question here: Both players have exactly 5000 LP.Player 1 has Super Polymerization in hand, and Summons Buster Dragon (that one thing that turns all your opponent's monsters into Dragons) from their Graveyard. Player 2 Chains DNA Surgery, declaring Machine, while they control 5 Machine-Type monsters, of which 2 are copies of Cyber Dragon. Can Player 1 activate Super Polymerization to eat up his opponent's entire board for Five-Headed Dragon, or is he doomed to die to Chimeratech Fortress Dragon on his next turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Since Super-Poly is chained to DNA Surgery, it resolves before Surgery does, which means the opponent's monsters are still Dragon at that time, so it can take them all for 5-Headed Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I can't find any rulings on this on the wiki, so I thought to pose the question here: Both players have exactly 5000 LP.Player 1 has Super Polymerization in hand, and Summons Buster Dragon (that one thing that turns all your opponent's monsters into Dragons) from their Graveyard.Player 2 Chains DNA Surgery, declaring Machine, while they control 5 Machine-Type monsters, of which 2 are copies of Cyber Dragon.Can Player 1 activate Super Polymerization to eat up his opponent's entire board for Five-Headed Dragon, or is he doomed to die to Chimeratech Fortress Dragon on his next turn?You say that Player 2 "Chains" DNA Surgery, so I'm assuming you mean they are Chaining it to a card or effect that Special Summons Buster Dragon, and the Buster Dragon is not actually Special Summoned yet. I'll also address the scenario where Player 1 has already Special Summoned Buster Dragon, though. At any rate, regardless, it's just a matter of looking at the order of things being activated and resolved. Chain Link 1: Player 1 activates Return of the Dragon Lords, targeting Buster Dragon in their Graveyard.Chain Link 2: Player 2 Chains DNA Surgery, declaring Machine-Type. Player 1 can't activate Super Polymerization at this time since no Dragon-Type monsters are on the field. The Chain resolves. Chain Link 2 resolves: All face-up monsters on the field become Machine-Type.Chain Link 1 resolves: Player 1 Special Summons Buster Dragon, and all face-up monsters Player 2 controls become Dragon-Type. Player 1 can now activate Super Polymerization. --- Scenario: Player 1 Special Summons Buster Dragon and all face-up monsters Player 2 controls become Dragon-Type. (This is the scenario that Darj covered.) Chain Link 1: Player 2 activates DNA Surgery, declaring Machine-Type.Chain Link 2: Player 1 Chains Super Polymerization, discarding 1 card. Chain Link 2 resolves: Player 1 sends all 5 monsters Player 2 controls to the Graveyard as Fusion Materials, then Fusion Summons Five-Headed Dragon.Chain Link 1 resolves: All face-up monsters on the field become Machine-Type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 If I control breaker the magical warrior with 0 spell counters and use forbidden lance on him, can I still give him a spell counter later that turn with "Spell Power Grasp"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 If I control breaker the magical warrior with 0 spell counters and use forbidden lance on him, can I still give him a spell counter later that turn with "Spell Power Grasp"?I'd like to ask a similar but opposite question while we're on the topic. Opponent controls a Vennominaga the Deity of Poisonous Snakes with 2 Hyper-Venom Counters on it. I activate Counter Cleaner. What happens to the Hyper-Venom Counters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 I'd like to ask a similar but opposite question while we're on the topic. Opponent controls a Vennominaga the Deity of Poisonous Snakes with 2 Hyper-Venom Counters on it. I activate Counter Cleaner. What happens to the Hyper-Venom Counters?I'm not an expert, but from what I can remember about SQ Magnus and that one spell that clears xyz mats, the same should apply here; the card doesn't effect nominaga directly, so the counters are cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 I'm not an expert, but from what I can remember about SQ Magnus and that one spell that clears xyz mats, the same should apply here; the card doesn't effect nominaga directly, so the counters are cleared.I know about that ruling and that's what prompted me to ask, since Overlay Regen doesn't work on things that are unaffected by Spell effects. Removing Xyz Materials =/= adding Xyz Materials. But also Counters =/= Xyz Materials so the ruling isn't transferable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 I know about that ruling and that's what prompted me to ask, since Overlay Regen doesn't work on things that are unaffected by Spell effects. Removing Xyz Materials =/= adding Xyz Materials. But also Counters =/= Xyz Materials so the ruling isn't transferable.I see where you're coming from. However, I believe that it is transferabke in this case. Regen is a weird thing, since spells arent normally xyz mats, so it would make sense for a spell-proof monster to reject it. My reasoning for counter cleaner affecting nominaga is because its a blanket effect that doesn't effect monsters themselves, like the xyz stripping one I mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 I see where you're coming from. However, I believe that it is transferabke in this case. Regen is a weird thing, since spells arent normally xyz mats, so it would make sense for a spell-proof monster to reject it. My reasoning for counter cleaner affecting nominaga is because its a blanket effect that doesn't effect monsters themselves, like the xyz stripping one I mentioned earlier.You might be right about counter removal not affecting, but even if you are, you're definitely right for the wrong reason. I'm going to wait for someone like Azuriena to answer these questions that me and I Hate Snatch Steal have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 You might be right about counter removal not affecting, but even if you are, you're definitely right for the wrong reason. I'm going to wait for someone like Azuriena to answer these questions that me and I Hate Snatch Steal haveThat's fair. Just thought I'd give my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 If a main deck monster such as "The Tyrant Neptune" permanently gains the effect of a Neos Contact Fusion such as "Elemental HERO Flare Neos", what happens with the "shuffle into the extra deck" effect during the End Phase? What about "Phantom of Chaos" since its only until the End Phase? This is relevant here:https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/367064-gokai-change-change-sentai-archetype/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 If a main deck monster such as "The Tyrant Neptune" permanently gains the effect of a Neos Contact Fusion such as "Elemental HERO Flare Neos", what happens with the "shuffle into the extra deck" effect during the End Phase? What about "Phantom of Chaos" since its only until the End Phase? This is relevant here:https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/367064-gokai-change-change-sentai-archetype/Well, they specifically mention Extra Deck, so I would say you can't. Normally those that say Deck also mean Extra Deck most of the time, though this seems different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 If I control breaker the magical warrior with 0 spell counters and use forbidden lance on him, can I still give him a spell counter later that turn with "Spell Power Grasp"? No, you can't use a card effect to place counters on a card that's unaffected by that effect. I'd like to ask a similar but opposite question while we're on the topic. Opponent controls a Vennominaga the Deity of Poisonous Snakes with 2 Hyper-Venom Counters on it. I activate Counter Cleaner. What happens to the Hyper-Venom Counters? Yes. You're removing counters from the field, not affecting any cards with a card effect. If a main deck monster such as "The Tyrant Neptune" permanently gains the effect of a Neos Contact Fusion such as "Elemental HERO Flare Neos", what happens with the "shuffle into the extra deck" effect during the End Phase? What about "Phantom of Chaos" since its only until the End Phase? This is relevant here:https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/367064-gokai-change-change-sentai-archetype/For Neptune, its gained Trigger Effect activates during the End Phase since it's mandatory to do so, but it resolves without effect since Neptune can't be returned to the Extra Deck. For Phantom, you can activate its gained Trigger Effect before ending its original effect, in which case the activated effect resolves without effect. Or you can end its original effect first, in which case you don't activate the Trigger Effect since Phantom no longer has it. Well, they specifically mention Extra Deck, so I would say you can't. Normally those that say Deck also mean Extra Deck most of the time, though this seems different. On the contrary, while its meaning isn't consistent among cards in the game, "Deck" almost always refers to the Main Deck. (An exception being even if you return a card to the Extra Deck with an effect that says "shuffle it into the Deck," you still proceed beyond a following "and if you do" or "then".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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