Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 If I used effect Veiler on my opponent's turn, and my opponent sends my face down sangan to the grave yard 1) Can I search veiler?2) What if Veiler is the only card in my deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 If I used effect Veiler on my opponent's turn, and my opponent sends my face down sangan to the grave yard 1) Can I search veiler?2) What if Veiler is the only card in my deck?1. You wouldn't be able to add it since the condition contradicts, you can't use Pot of Duality if you previously Special Summoned, same idea here. 2. It would resolve without effect, and you would show your opponent the Deck to prove you don't have any other cards you can search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Can urgent ritual arts gain the effect of a negated ritual spell card by cursed seal of a forbidden spell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Can urgent ritual arts gain the effect of a negated ritual spell card by cursed seal of a forbidden spell?Cursed Seal only prevents you from activating Spell Cards with that name, it doesn't care if you copy the effect of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Very simple question, couldn't find it anywhere. Hypothetical situation: say your opponent is playing Kozmo, and wants to enter the BP. You want to activate Effect Veiler before they enter the BP, targeting their Kozmoll Wickedwitch on field. They chain, activating Witch's effect. Now I realize that Witch resolves first, but will it keep its protection from destruction, or will it be negated? (Basically, is it the type of effect that lingers, or does it apply continuously for the turn? A simple sentence answer would be more than enough, I feel like I'm overthinking things lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 That very specifically depends on the card in question. For example, effect veiler is worded as thus: negate that opponent's face-up monster's effects until the end of this turn (this is a Quick Effect) This means that all effects of that monster, whether they had been activated or not yet, are going to be negated. In addition, effect veiler's wording also applies to continuous effects and conditions. For example, if I were to Veiler my opponent's Constellar Pollux, they would not be able to normal summon an additional time. The same mindset applies to Wickedwitch's protection. Said protection is considered a continuous condition that is being enacted from a monster's effect, so negating wickedwitch will also remove the protection from wickedwitch's condition. Breakthrough Skill also acts in this manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil cucumber Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 That very specifically depends on the card in question. For example, effect veiler is worded as thus: This means that all effects of that monster, whether they had been activated or not yet, are going to be negated. In addition, effect veiler's wording also applies to continuous effects and conditions. For example, if I were to Veiler my opponent's Constellar Pollux, they would not be able to normal summon an additional time. The same mindset applies to Wickedwitch's protection. Said protection is considered a continuous condition that is being enacted from a monster's effect, so negating wickedwitch will also remove the protection from wickedwitch's condition. Breakthrough Skill also acts in this manner.Actually, Veiler doesn't work on Pollux, since it's a condition granted to the player the moment he's placed on the field. Same for Castor and Ritual Beast Elder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Actually, Veiler doesn't work on Pollux, since it's a condition granted to the player the moment he's placed on the field. Same for Castor and Ritual Beast Elder. ah, outdated ruling then for that case; bad example. There was a time where you could stop that with BTS at least. However my original point still stands: if you negate Wickedwitch, even after they already activated the protection, then it loses said protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Very simple question, couldn't find it anywhere. Hypothetical situation: say your opponent is playing Kozmo, and wants to enter the BP. You want to activate Effect Veiler before they enter the BP, targeting their Kozmoll Wickedwitch on field. They chain, activating Witch's effect. Now I realize that Witch resolves first, but will it keep its protection from destruction, or will it be negated? (Basically, is it the type of effect that lingers, or does it apply continuously for the turn? A simple sentence answer would be more than enough, I feel like I'm overthinking things lol).That very specifically depends on the card in question. For example, effect veiler is worded as thus: This means that all effects of that monster, whether they had been activated or not yet, are going to be negated. In addition, effect veiler's wording also applies to continuous effects and conditions. For example, if I were to Veiler my opponent's Constellar Pollux, they would not be able to normal summon an additional time. The same mindset applies to Wickedwitch's protection. Said protection is considered a continuous condition that is being enacted from a monster's effect, so negating wickedwitch will also remove the protection from wickedwitch's condition. Breakthrough Skill also acts in this manner.I wasn't too sure about this, so I asked around, and Sorrachi, a senior admin on DN, answered me, and as I thought, your answer here isn't quite right. Quoting from his words: "If it's not an attack modifier it has to be clear it is continuous else it's likely lingering. The trigger words to continuous should look like key beetle and overly emphasize the "face-up card"." In this case, Wickedwitch lingers after its activated, rather than being continuously applied, so it will not be negated by Effect Veiler. This is a bit more simple in other cases where it's more clear that it doesn't apply to itself, such as Abyss Dweller's detaching effect that doesn't directly affect the monster itself, so it won't be negated (the other effect will be though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Malefic Truth Dragon destroys Super Quantal Mech King by battle. Which cards effect will activate first? Truth Dragon's "destroy all face-up monsters" effect or Mech King's "summon 2 Super Quantum xyz monsters from the grave" effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Malefic Truth Dragon destroys Super Quantal Mech King by battle. Which cards effect will activate first? Truth Dragon's "destroy all face-up monsters" effect or Mech King's "summon 2 Super Quantum xyz monsters from the grave" effect?Malefic Truth Dragon does, it's a mandatory effect, where Mech King is optional. I suggest you go here and read more about effects that activate simultaneously: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Simultaneous_Effects_Go_On_Chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Depends on whose turn it is. If it's your turn and you were attacking, malefic is link 1 and Magnus is link 2. But if it's the opps turn, Magnus will be link 1 and malefic will be 2. hooray for SEGOC! Edit: ooosies looks like I'm wrong. The above would be try if Magnus was mandatory, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Depends on whose turn it is. If it's your turn and you were attacking, malefic is link 1 and Magnus is link 2. But if it's the opps turn, Magnus will be link 1 and malefic will be 2. hooray for SEGOC! Edit: ooosies looks like I'm wrong. The above would be try if Magnus was mandatory, iirc.Yes that would be correct, if both are optional or both are mandatory, it depends on who the turn player is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I wasn't too sure about this, so I asked around, and Sorrachi, a senior admin on DN, answered me, and as I thought, your answer here isn't quite right. Quoting from his words: "If it's not an attack modifier it has to be clear it is continuous else it's likely lingering. The trigger words to continuous should look like key beetle and overly emphasize the "face-up card"." In this case, Wickedwitch lingers after its activated, rather than being continuously applied, so it will not be negated by Effect Veiler. This is a bit more simple in other cases where it's more clear that it doesn't apply to itself, such as Abyss Dweller's detaching effect that doesn't directly affect the monster itself, so it won't be negated (the other effect will be though). Whoa thanks, I figured it might be a complex situation since there aren't many rulings surrounding Wickedwitch. Whether an effect lingers or applies continuously is hard to know sometimes based on context. Based Sorrachi <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 How does E-Hero Necroshade's OPT work? I'm not familiar with how "once" works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 How does E-Hero Necroshade's OPT work? I'm not familiar with how "once" works.It can be used once while Necroshade is in the Graveyard. Similar to how some effects can only be used once while the card is face-up on the field, but this is in the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 What is it when an effect forces damage calculation (ex: Titanic Galaxy) that prevents effects like honest or kalut from activating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 What is it when an effect forces damage calculation (ex: Titanic Galaxy) that prevents effects like honest or kalut from activating?Well, you can't activate Honest or Kalut in damage calculation, so that's probably why, I don't believe there's anything preventing you from still activating effects at that point if you're forced into it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 If my opponent controls chaos hunter,can i activate common charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Can I use Into the Void while it is one of the 3 cards in my hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Can Psyframe Omega return face down banished cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 If my opponent controls chaos hunter,can i activate common charity?You can't, it's mandatory to banish the cards. Also, see the Rulings, it's the first thing there:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Common_CharityCan I use Into the Void while it is one of the 3 cards in my hand?Yes you can, you have 3 at the time you activate it.Can Psyframe Omega return face down banished cardsCards can't be face-down in the Graveyard, so I assume that's a no, but I'm not 100% sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Cards can't be face-down in the Graveyard, so I assume that's a no, but I'm not 100% sureActually, I believe it's been ruled that since Omega's effect does not specify card type, it can indeed interact with cards banished face down. In which case the banished card becomes public knowledge and can be used. I cannot find and official ruling atm, but that's what I've seen as the general consensus after digging around for a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Actually, I believe it's been ruled that since Omega's effect does not specify card type, it can indeed interact with cards banished face down. In which case the banished card becomes public knowledge and can be used. I cannot find and official ruling atm, but that's what I've seen as the general consensus after digging around for a bitI checked the database of Rulings in the OCG, and I didn't find anything relevant about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I checked the database of Rulings in the OCG, and I didn't find anything relevant about that.Same. Like I said I could not find anything official, but all the unofficial sources I checked said that that was the local judge's ruling, and it was the same in pretty much every case. Until an official ruling IS made, I've simply been using that massively unanimous consensus as my baseline since I have nothing else to go on. It makes sense I guess. Returning to the graveyard is actually very vague in process. Maybe it has the same circumstance as when you Dark Hole a facedown monster. That monster was facedown when you hit it, but it goes to the graveyard face up due to the inherent rules of the game. I don't see why that same logic can't apply to Banished Zone -> Grave you know? It's just there has never been another card that could do that in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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