Azuriena Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 When maiden with eyes of blue is targeted does she have to chain directly to the effect or it activates in a separate chain?The effect of Maiden that you are referring to is a Quick Effect. If you wish to activate it in this case, it must be activated as the Chain Link directly after the card effect is activated that targets Maiden. If you do not activate it at that time, then it will no longer be considered "when that card effect is activated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 The effect of Maiden that you are referring to is a Quick Effect. If you wish to activate it in this case, it must be activated as the Chain Link directly after the card effect is activated that targets Maiden. If you do not activate it at that time, then it will no longer be considered "when that card effect is activated."So if maiden is targeted by an effect and i have an MST or something irrvelevant but chainable to that effect, i can activate it to make her miss the chance to summon blue eyes right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 So if maiden is targeted by an effect and i have an MST or something irrvelevant but chainable to that effect, i can activate it to make her miss the chance to summon blue eyes right?If the non-turn player activates a card effect that targets a Maiden the turn player controls, the turn player will have the next chance to activate a fast effect, such as Maiden's Quick Effect. If the turn player activates a card effect that targets a Maiden they control, the non-turn player will have the next chance to activate a fast effect, for example MST. At that point, it is no longer considered to be "when that card effect (that targets Maiden) is activated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 As long as your opp is doing the one that's targeting, iirc. Since gamestates work turn player, opp, turn player, opp, into infinity. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 If you activate a card effect that targets a Maiden your opponent controls, your opponent will have the next chance to activate a fast effect, such as Maiden's Quick Effect.I wasnt the one targeting her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I wasnt the one targeting herSee my edit (or refer to Kitty's post). I changed the explanation from you and your opponent to the turn player and the non-turn player, and added an extra example. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I wasnt the one targeting herWho's maiden was it and who was doing the targeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 quick question: can CDi or Crystal Wing negate eff during damage calc? (e.g negate Bujingi Crane, Honest, or Lunalight Cat)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 quick question: can CDi or Crystal Wing negate eff during damage calc? (e.g negate Bujingi Crane, Honest, or Lunalight Cat)? https://ygorganization.com/that-wacky-damage-step/ It's a quick effect that negates the activation of the cards it respoonds to, so the answer to both cards are yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 isnt eff that can be activated during dmg step are: > s/t that alter ATK/DEF> Counter Traps ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 isnt eff that can be activated during dmg step are: > s/t that alter ATK/DEF> Counter Traps ????Spell Speed 2 monster effects (Quick effects) can also be activated as long as they negate something. Negating is a direct response to an effect. It's not just limited to Counter Traps and stat alteration. <Mandatory effects or cards that have specific ruling on them can also be activated even if they don't clearly state that they can be activated during the Damage Step. (E.G Attack and Receive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 so even card like doomcaliber can negate honest? wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 so even card like doomcaliber can negate honest? wow-.- Google it if you still aren't sure. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 google isnt a good source of ruling, same w/ ygopro thats why asking here or maybe *cough*dnf*cough* much better oh i cant believe i said dnf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step TCG has finally ruled that cards cannot be activated during the damage step unless specifically denoted on the card, therefore cards like Honest, Crane, etc would instead activate in the Before Damage Calculation phase. In this phase, the cards that can be activated are denoted here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step#Cards_and_effects_that_can_be_activated As you can see, Quick Effects of monsters that negate the activation of a card(s) or effect(s) can be activated at any point in the damage step, and therefore yes, they can negate such cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step TCG has finally ruled that cards cannot be activated during the damage step unless specifically denoted on the card, therefore cards like Honest, Crane, etc would instead activate in the Before Damage Calculation phase. In this phase, the cards that can be activated are denoted here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step#Cards_and_effects_that_can_be_activated As you can see, Quick Effects of monsters that negate the activation of a card(s) or effect(s) can be activated at any point in the damage step, and therefore yes, they can negate such cardsHonest's effect that activates in the hand can be activated during the Damage Step, from the start of the Damage Step, up to and including "before damage calculation." Bujinji Crane's effect is activated during damage calculation. (Neither Cat Dancer nor Blue Cat have effects that activate during the Damage Step before/during damage calculation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexanort Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Can monster that is unaffected by card/monster effects activate its effect when majesty's fiend is face-up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Can monster that is unaffected by card/monster effects activate its effect when majesty's fiend is face-up? Yes. An effect that says it is unaffected does not activate, so that would always be in effect and unblocked by fiend. therefore it is unaffected by fiend entirely, and could activate any other effects it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 cl1 Chaos Emperor Dragon - nuke effectcl2 Effect Veiler can I respond with Book of moon since CED's effect hasn't resolved yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 cl1 Chaos Emperor Dragon - nuke effectcl2 Effect Veiler can I respond with Book of moon since CED's effect hasn't resolved yet Activating the effect, even if it's negated, will still apply the conditions for activating the effect. I believe that condition is placed the moment you activate the effect, and not when it resolves. Therefore, you can't use Book of Moon as CED's condition would be in place preventing you from doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Activating the effect, even if it's negated, will still apply the conditions for activating the effect. I believe that condition is placed the moment you activate the effect, and not when it resolves. Therefore, you can't use Book of Moon as CED's condition would be in place preventing you from doing so.:/ Denko CED is a thing I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Can cards that are "unaffected by card effects" be Tributed by cards like Share The Pain or Monarch's Stormforth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Can cards that are "unaffected by card effects" be Tributed by cards like Share The Pain or Monarch's Stormforth?Well, these two cards don't work the same in regards to this. Share the Pain, it will still be Tributed, as it isn't considered an effect, Stormforth you won't be able to, since it affects the monsters you use to Tribute Summon with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Well, these two cards don't work the same in regards to this. Share the Pain, it will still be Tributed, as it isn't considered an effect, Stormforth you won't be able to, since it affects the monsters you use to Tribute Summon with.So you cannot tribute them using Soul Exchange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 So you cannot tribute them using Soul Exchange?No, it works similar to stormforth, it even has to target it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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