Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Progenitor]

If I only control GaGaGa Sister and 1 other GaGaGa monster, and I uses Sister's effect to splice the levels, can my opponent respond with Cairngorgon and Switch Sister's target to sister herself?

 

Sister specifically says "1 other gagaga monster" which Cairngorgon says "1 other appropriate target".  Since by default sister cannot target herself, would a re-target consider Sister an appropriate target?

[Atypical-Abbie]

If I only control GaGaGa Sister and 1 other GaGaGa monster, and I uses Sister's effect to splice the levels, can my opponent respond with Cairngorgon and Switch Sister's target to sister herself?

 

Sister specifically says "1 other gagaga monster" which Cairngorgon says "1 other appropriate target".  Since by default sister cannot target herself, would a re-target consider Sister an appropriate target?

It cannot target it Sister, the targeting conditions must still be correct. You cannot use the effect when Dimensional Prison is activated since that monster isn't attacking. Similarly, you cannot use it on Sister, unless of course there's another monster it can target as well.

[Progenitor]

That's what I thought.  Salvation bug report forums here I come.

[goodfusion]

If my opponent negates the effect of Glow-Up Bulb, can I activate it again to summon itself?

[Atypical-Abbie]

If my opponent negates the effect of Glow-Up Bulb, can I activate it again to summon itself?

Nope. It's the same idea as with OPT effects.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Once_per_turn

[Queen of the Abyss]

If I control Saffira, Queen of Dragons on the field and I send a LIGHT monster from my hand or Deck during the End Phase specifically, does its effect still go off?

[Atypical-Abbie]

If I control Saffira, Queen of Dragons on the field and I send a LIGHT monster from my hand or Deck during the End Phase specifically, does its effect still go off?

You do, it doesn't matter when the card was sent this turn, just that it was.

[Synchronized]

You guys are wrong about the Grapha thing, btw. Rulings say it's not an effect, it's a summon condition. So you can use it vs Dweller

[evilfusion]

You guys are wrong about the Grapha thing, btw. Rulings say it's not an effect, it's a summon condition. So you can use it vs Dweller

 

It is an effect. But it does not "activate". Grapha will work just fine against Dweller, since Dweller prevents "activations". But if Grapha was killed by a Fiend while Ha Des was out (which negates effects of monsters killed by Fiends in battle), Grapha can't revive itself because its effect to SS itself is being negated.

[Skulblaka98]

You guys are wrong about the Grapha thing, btw. Rulings say it's not an effect, it's a summon condition. So you can use it vs Dweller

 

No, rulings don't say that. Nor does the rulebook in fact :)

[·Toot]

Where Arf Thou + Ghostrick Mary

 

During the End Phase when I take the 2k damage from Arf, am I allowed to use Mary's effect? I'm not too sure with some EP effects/costs.

[Atypical-Abbie]

Where Arf Thou + Ghostrick Mary

 

During the End Phase when I take the 2k damage from Arf, am I allowed to use Mary's effect? I'm not too sure with some EP effects/costs.

Yes you may, Mary can be used any time you take damage this turn, even in the End Phase.

[Hexanort]

how would card like Testudo erat Numen (cant ss monster with 1800 or high atk)

interact with card like cyber eltanin/chimeratech overdragon/dark gaia which atk depend on the material, is it would limit the material so it cant

get over 1800 when summoned or you can just summon it since it has 0 original?

[evilfusion]

how would card like Testudo erat Numen (cant ss monster with 1800 or high atk)

interact with card like cyber eltanin/chimeratech overdragon/dark gaia which atk depend on the material, is it would limit the material so it cant

get over 1800 when summoned or you can just summon it since it has 0 original?

 

You can Summon them. Undefined values have no value until they're on the Field, so they're unaffected by Testudo's effect.

[Synchronized]

No, rulings don't say that. Nor does the rulebook in fact :)

Well what evil fusion said is basically what I was trying to say. Basically you can use it while dweller is out

[Miror B]

Well what evil fusion said is basically what I was trying to say. Basically you can use it while dweller is out

But Grapha is still classified as an effect so you were still wrong.

[evil cucumber]

Kozmo Farmgirl vs Infernoid Decatron (with Deviaty effect)

 

Say I attacked Decatron with Farmgirl, when damage is dealt I pay 500 Lp to activate Farm, then my opponent responds by Tributing the Decatron I have just attacked to negate my Farmgirl. My question is: Can he use Decatron here? Wouldn't it be already dead when I deal the battle damage?

 

 

Not sure if the rulings are the same but I remember something about Mecha Phantom Beast Hamstrat dying before his flip effect activates, so even with two tokens its continuous eff stops applying. Wouldn't Decatron's eff stop applying as well?

[Atypical-Abbie]

Kozmo Farmgirl vs Infernoid Decatron (with Deviaty effect)

 

Say I attacked Decatron with Farmgirl, when damage is dealt I pay 500 Lp to activate Farm, then my opponent responds by Tributing the Decatron I have just attacked to negate my Farmgirl. My question is: Can he use Decatron here? Wouldn't it be already dead when I deal the battle damage?

 

 

Not sure if the rulings are the same but I remember something about Mecha Phantom Beast Hamstrat dying before his flip effect activates, so even with two tokens its continuous eff stops applying. Wouldn't Decatron's eff stop applying as well?

Only Continuous Effects stop applying, activated effects can still do as such, so your Decatron may activate here.

 

Turns out I am wrong here, it cannot, only mandatory can.

[Ultravires]

Only Continuous Effects stop applying, activated effects can still do as such, so your Decatron may activate here.

 

Incorrect, actually. If the monster effect is optional it cannot be activated, and Decatron/Devyaty is optional. It isn't Doomcalibur Knight.

[Atypical-Abbie]

Incorrect, actually. If the monster effect is optional it cannot be activated, and Decatron/Devyaty is optional. It isn't Doomcalibur Knight.

Oh, I was pretty sure you could, I asked around, seems like you were right. Sorry about that.

[Skulblaka98]

Incorrect, actually. If the monster effect is optional it cannot be activated, and Decatron/Devyaty is optional. It isn't Doomcalibur Knight.

 

Also incorrect. When monsters have been considered destroyed by battle during damage calculation, it is only their optional quick effects that negate that cannot be activated.

[Atypical-Abbie]

Also incorrect. When monsters have been considered destroyed by battle during damage calculation, it is only their optional quick effects that negate that cannot be activated.

What's an example of a effects that could activate at this point? Besides any that normally can, such as Fire Hand.

[Progenitor]

In this situation we are still in the damage step.

 

According to this:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breakdown_of_the_Battle_Phase

 

Only the following can be used during the damage step:

1. Counter Trap Cards
2. SS 2 cards that specifically alter ATK/DEF directly as the primary effect
3. Effects that have activation timings which can occur in (unless otherwise specified) or specify the Damage Step
4. Quick Effect (Multi-Trigger) Monster Effects that negate the activation of a card/effect BUT only if they negate the effects' activation; with the exception of Photon Strike Bounzer, which may also chain

According to this:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Infernoid_Devyaty

 

At least in the OCG, 

The " Once per turn, during either player's turn, when another monster effect is activated: You can Tribute 1 monster; negate the activation, and if you do, banish that card." effect is a Quick Effect. (It does not target. Tributing 1 monster you control is a cost to activate this effect. It must be chained directly to the activation of the effect of a monster. It can be activated during either player's turn.)

 

Since the effect is indeed a Quick Effect Monster Effect that negates the activation of a card or effect, Devvyaty should satisfy condition 4, and should be allowed, unless there I a TCG ruling I am unaware of that counteracts this.

[Skulblaka98]

What's an example of a effects that could activate at this point? Besides any that normally can, such as Fire Hand.

 

Wind-Up Juggler

 

In this situation we are still in the damage step.

 

According to this:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breakdown_of_the_Battle_Phase

 

Only the following can be used during the damage step:

1. Counter Trap Cards
2. SS 2 cards that specifically alter ATK/DEF directly as the primary effect
3. Effects that have activation timings which can occur in (unless otherwise specified) or specify the Damage Step
4. Quick Effect (Multi-Trigger) Monster Effects that negate the activation of a card/effect BUT only if they negate the effects' activation; with the exception of Photon Strike Bounzer, which may also chain

According to this:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Infernoid_Devyaty

 

At least in the OCG, 

The " Once per turn, during either player's turn, when another monster effect is activated: You can Tribute 1 monster; negate the activation, and if you do, banish that card." effect is a Quick Effect. (It does not target. Tributing 1 monster you control is a cost to activate this effect. It must be chained directly to the activation of the effect of a monster. It can be activated during either player's turn.)

 

Since the effect is indeed a Quick Effect Monster Effect that negates the activation of a card or effect, Devvyaty should satisfy condition 4, and should be allowed, unless there I a TCG ruling I am unaware of that counteracts this.

 

This is not in dispute. The mechanic I described above is illustrated in rulings such as these:

 

If your Defense Position "Stardust Dragon" is attacked by "Red Dragon Archfiend" and it is destroyed by battle, you cannot chain "Stardust Dragon's" effect to "Red Dragon Archfiend's" effect that destroys your Defense Position monsters.  [uDE]

 

Stardust Dragon can activate its effect during the damage step, but not if it has been considered destroyed by battle.

[Progenitor]

This is not in dispute. The mechanic I described above is illustrated in rulings such as these:

 

If your Defense Position "Stardust Dragon" is attacked by "Red Dragon Archfiend" and it is destroyed by battle, you cannot chain "Stardust Dragon's" effect to "Red Dragon Archfiend's" effect that destroys your Defense Position monsters.  [uDE]

 

Stardust Dragon can activate its effect during the damage step, but not if it has been considered destroyed by battle.

 

Fair enough.  I guess the short answer is that in this situation it's not a question of whether or not the effect satisfies condition 4, but instead whether or not Dekatron is even in a position to activate it's tribute effect, which, since it was already registered as destroyed by battle, it cannot.