Bringerofcake Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I summon PSYFrame Gamma and Driver through Gamma's effect while I control PSYFrame Circuit. When I attempt to activate Circuit's effect, my opponent responds with book of moon, targeting Gamma. What happens to Gamma at the end phase? Is it banished through its own effect, or is it "not summoned through its own effect" because it was book'd, and stays on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I summon PSYFrame Gamma and Driver through Gamma's effect while I control PSYFrame Circuit. When I attempt to activate Circuit's effect, my opponent responds with book of moon, targeting Gamma. What happens to Gamma at the end phase? Is it banished through its own effect, or is it "not summoned through its own effect" because it was book'd, and stays on the field?It will not be destroyed. Similar Ruling: "If "Book of Moon" etc flips face-down a Zombie-Type monster Special Summoned by "Doomkaiser Dragon/Assault Mode", then the effect of "Doomkaiser Dragon/Assault Mode" is no longer applied. The monster does not have its effects negated and is not destroyed during the End Phase, even if it is later flipped face-up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Does Kozmotown's lose 100 LP x level count as effect damage or as paying LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 It doesn't count as either based on the wiki's ruling for BIG Win!?, which says it doesn't count as effect damage, and if it were paying Life Points it would say "pay". http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:BIG_Win!%3F And somehow I forgot the infinitely more relevant and obvious example of Soul Charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Does Kozmotown's lose 100 LP x level count as effect damage or as paying LP?Neither. You're losing life points as an effect, but it is not damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 So, Superheavy Samurai Nusu-10's effect is to destroy a spell or trap in your opponent's side of the field and set it on your side. What if the target was a monster that was equipped to another monster? They usually count as a spell or trap. Does that mean I set it in my Spell and Trap Zone? Do I get to summon the monster? Or is it just destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 So, Superheavy Samurai Nusu-10's effect is to destroy a spell or trap in your opponent's side of the field and set it on your side. What if the target was a monster that was equipped to another monster? They usually count as a spell or trap. Does that mean I set it in my Spell and Trap Zone? Do I get to summon the monster? Or is it just destroyed?According to a fellow DN admin and this link, you cannot Set it again. http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=16449&keyword=&tag=-1 And a Google Translate translation: "Destroy by selecting a card of magic & Trap Zone "● opponent of" super heavy warrior Taunus -10 ". After that, the card is "artifact of the other magic & Trap zone that destroyed by the destruction was the Magic and Trap cards can be set to your side of the field" monster effect - if it was Moraruta ", the" artifact - Moraruta "their magic & It can be set to trap zone?Answeryou can't. If the status of your questions, and will be treated that it was completed in the process of destroying the Magic & Trap zone of card chosen." It's talking about an Artifact card that was Set from the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If you use Xiangke Magician to turn an Xyz Monster into a monster with a level and then use it to Xyz, do the materials on that Xyz monster get attached to the new monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If you use Xiangke Magician to turn an Xyz Monster into a monster with a level and then use it to Xyz, do the materials on that Xyz monster get attached to the new monster? No. Xyz Summons use only the base Materials for the Summon, except for alternate Summon methods that explicitly say they keep the Materials (Rank-Up Magics, Xyz Change abilities like C39/etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil cucumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I got some questions about Burgess..-If a Trap is activated during the Damage Step can I SS 1 of them fron the Grave? -I have their Xyz Boss on the field but my opp flipped it with Book of moon and attacked it. During battle, after my xyz gets flipped face up on Damage Step I use the Trap that cuts ATK and DEF of a monster just to trigger the excavate eff of the Xyz before it dies. Is that legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I got some questions about Burgess..-If a Trap is activated during the Damage Step can I SS 1 of them fron the Grave? -I have their Xyz Boss on the field but my opp flipped it with Book of moon and attacked it. During battle, after my xyz gets flipped face up on Damage Step I use the Trap that cuts ATK and DEF of a monster just to trigger the excavate eff of the Xyz before it dies. Is that legal?No, only certain Quick Effects may be activated in the Damage Step, those are not ones that can. You can find what can here:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step Yes you can, Trigger Effects can normally be activated in the Damage Step unless stated otherwise, so that would be a legal activation. Burgesstoma Hallucigenia changes ATK/DEF, so it can be activated up until damage calculation, and monsters flipped face-up before damage calculation, so when Burgesstoma Hallucigenia would go to the Graveyard, Burgesstoma Anomalocaris may activate its effect.http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breakdown_of_the_Battle_Phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil cucumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 No, only certain Quick Effects may be activated in the Damage Step, those are not ones that can. You can find what can here:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step Yes you can, Trigger Effects can normally be activated in the Damage Step unless stated otherwise, so that would be a legal activation. Burgesstoma Hallucigenia changes ATK/DEF, so it can be activated up until damage calculation, and monsters flipped face-up before damage calculation, so when Burgesstoma Hallucigenia would go to the Graveyard, Burgesstoma Anomalocaris may activate its effect.http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breakdown_of_the_Battle_PhaseI dont get it. If both Traps' Special from grave effs and Anoma excavate eff are Trigger effects, how come only Anoma works? The traps dont even say 'except during dmg step' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 There's a monster card that makes all light monsters unaffected by card effects. I forget it's name though, but I think it's a Tellarknight monster. My opponent argued that because of this card's effect, he could still special summon his Tellarknight monsters even if Vanity's Emptiness was face-up first. Is this really the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stuff about Majestic Pegasus and Book of Moon (essentially because opponent doesn't think it works). If opponent decides to BoM a Majespecter, can I still Tribute it to activate stuff? ----Also another thing about Book of Moon and stuff; apparently opponent thinks I can't Flip Summon a monster after he flipped it face-down.For context, I have Majespecter Fox out from the previous turn; he decides to use BoM on it and I opt to flip it up. I should've been fine with it, but going to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil cucumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Majespecters cant be targeted. But I believe even in face-down they can be Tributed. Just like Worm King recognizes face down worms stats so it can be Tribute Summoned by using only that monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Yeah, Book of Moon wouldn't had worked anyway.I would've explained it to him, but he quit. So in essence, should've been fine with whatever play.(I posted it in the DN thread if you want more details) -----Anyway, stuff on the Book of Moon / Flip Summon.First one wouldn't had worked anyway (I will assume opponent either doesn't know what 'specters do or one of those players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 There's a monster card that makes all light monsters unaffected by card effects. I forget it's name though, but I think it's a Tellarknight monster. My opponent argued that because of this card's effect, he could still special summon his Tellarknight monsters even if Vanity's Emptiness was face-up first. Is this really the case? No. Emptiness is not affecting monsters, it's affecting players. Players may not Special Summon under Emptiness, no matter what effects the monsters themselves have. Also, Light monsters in the hand would not be given the immunity provided by (whatever card name). Stuff about Majestic Pegasus and Book of Moon (essentially because opponent doesn't think it works). If opponent decides to BoM a Majespecter, can I still Tribute it to activate stuff? ----Also another thing about Book of Moon and stuff; apparently opponent thinks I can't Flip Summon a monster after he flipped it face-down.For context, I have Majespecter Fox out from the previous turn; he decides to use BoM on it and I opt to flip it up. I should've been fine with it, but going to double check. You can still Tribute facedown monsters for costs, even if they're Type/Attribute specific, such as Icarus Attack or the Virus cards, so Majespecter support should still be able to Tribute facedown WIND Spellcasters. You can Flip Summon a monster that was flipped down by a card effect, provided it was not Summoned this turn, did not manually change its battle position (key word is MANUALLY. Card effects do not count), and did not declare an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I dont get it. If both Traps' Special from grave effs and Anoma excavate eff are Trigger effects, how come only Anoma works? The traps dont even say 'except during dmg step'The Traps activate in response to cards, as noted by the "When a Trap Card on the field is activated while this card is in your Graveyard". It's the same as when you are trying to negate an effect, for example, Light and Darkness Dragon says "Once per Chain, during either player's turn, when a Spell Card, Trap Card, or monster effect is activated". (Don't get confused by the "during either player's turn" part, the Trap Cards could say this as well, though as they are Trap Cards, they are by default already Spell Speed 2, so they can activate in response to other cards, so their effects don't need to say that. See Dark Smog for an example of that). Anoma's effect is different though, it works more "Tour Guide From the Underworld", in that it isn't responding to an activation of something, rather to an action happening. Tour Guide says "When this card is Normal Summoned", and similarly, Anoma says "if a Trap Card(s) is sent from your Spell & Trap Zone to the Graveyard". It can be a little bit hard to determine what is and is not a Trigger Effect at times. If you need more information, you can view these links:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_Effecthttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Quick_Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 You can still Tribute facedown monsters for costs, even if they're Type/Attribute specific, such as Icarus Attack or the Virus cards, so Majespecter support should still be able to Tribute facedown WIND Spellcasters. You can Flip Summon a monster that was flipped down by a card effect, provided it was not Summoned this turn, did not manually change its battle position (key word is MANUALLY. Card effects do not count), and did not declare an attack. Just for context, that play (#2) happened during the beginning of my turn. At that time, I had not Special Summoned Fox (again, it was there from turn 1), nor attacked with it.So yeah, I should've been fine (although the BoM play would've not worked anyway). I know from YGOPro testing that #1 does work, but I tend to be skeptical about plays since programming stuff may be different than what actual rulings say. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Odd-Eyes_Rebellion_Dragonsays: If "Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon" is Xyz Summoned by "Rank-Up-Magic Astral Force" targeting a Rank 5 DARK Dragon-Type "Outer Entity Nyarla", since it was Xyz Summoned using an Xyz Monster as an Xyz Material, this effect can be activated. Is this accurate to your knowledge? I can't seem to get it to work on YGO pro (albeit with a custom RUM instead of tcg Astral Force) so I'd like to be sure. No word yet on the YGO pro forums about there being a bug in Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon's script but I thought I'd ask anyway. edit: The error was on my and my custom RUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Odd-Eyes_Rebellion_Dragonsays: If "Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon" is Xyz Summoned by "Rank-Up-Magic Astral Force" targeting a Rank 5 DARK Dragon-Type "Outer Entity Nyarla", since it was Xyz Summoned using an Xyz Monster as an Xyz Material, this effect can be activated. Is this accurate to your knowledge? I can't seem to get it to work on YGO pro (albeit with a custom RUM instead of tcg Astral Force) so I'd like to be sure. No word yet on the YGO pro forums about there being a bug in Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon's script but I thought I'd ask anyway. Yes, that is accurate. Rank-Ups treat the Summon as an Xyz Summon, and the monster targeted is considered the Material for the Summon. As such, Odd-Eyes Rebellion was Xyz Summoned using an Xyz as Material and its effect will activate. It's almost certainly a bug in the script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yes, that is accurate. Rank-Ups treat the Summon as an Xyz Summon, and the monster targeted is considered the Material for the Summon. As such, Odd-Eyes Rebellion was Xyz Summoned using an Xyz as Material and its effect will activate. It's almost certainly a bug in the script.A bug in my script actually. Now that I went back and tested it with tcg astral froce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF2_The_Scout Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Can Peten the Dark Clown activate its effect if Tributed by Crush Card Virus or Virus Cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil cucumber Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Can Peten the Dark Clown activate its effect if Tributed by Crush Card Virus or Virus Cannon?He is like Fortune Lady Light, except that he can be destroyed by battke and get effect.Fortune Lady Light doesnt get effect when sent as cost for an activation. So no, it would have to be sent during an effect resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Can Peten the Dark Clown activate its effect if Tributed by Crush Card Virus or Virus Cannon?It's a "when...you can" effect, so if it's sent to the Graveyard as a cost, it cannot activate its effect. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Missing_the_timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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