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Atypical-Abbie Proficient

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It's the use of the word "until" confusing me again with regards effect activations. Since even that breakdown says cards are sent at the end of the damage step, and the effects say they prevent things until that point.

Think of cards that say "until the end of this turn". It's the same idea, we are still in the Damage Step at that point, so you can't activate cards, and similarly until it becomes the opponent's turn, that effect that lasts "until the end of this turn" still apply.

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Atypical-Abbie Proficient

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Scrap Dragon + Stardust Spark Dragon

 

Since Scrap Dragon destroys one of your own cards, can I use Spark's effect to stop the destruction and still pop an opponent's card?

Yes you can. Scrap Dragon says "them", so even if one target isn't destroyed, it will still destroy the second target. If it said "destroy those targets" instead, it would be different, and it would not destroy them, as both must be destroyed to do anything.

 

You can read more here:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Problem-Solving_Card_Text

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This seems elementary, but can I activate CoTH while Decree is face up? I mean I know it negates the effect, but can I use it at all? I won't be able to use the effect, but it stays face up right? 

Negating an effect will not prevent you from activating the card. This is why you can still send cards with Dante while its negated by Fiendish Chain, as you can still activate it and pay any costs/targeting, but it will just be negated.

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I special summon a Kaiju to my opponent's side of the field. I then Summon a Kaiju to my side of the field. I activate Remove Brainwashing. What happens here? I know it's one of the following, I just don't know which:

 

1) Nothing happens. Since you can't control 2 Kaiju, Remove Brainwashing cannot properly resolve it's continuous effect until the Kaiju YOU control leaves the field to "make room" for the one your opponent has.

 

2) Activating Remove Brainwashing is considered an illegal move as it creates a situation where two continuous, inert, and contradictory effects are trying to resolve simultaneously and as such the game state can no longer advance.

 

3) The Kaiju it properly taken back, but instantly destroys itself as you control more than one.

 

The Salvation team is having a nightmare with this, as Kaiju dittos are just completely destroying the game state with a very bizzare glitch. They are convinced the proper ruling is #3, but before they get any further I want to check this as to me it seems like it should actually be #1 or #2

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I special summon a Kaiju to my opponent's side of the field. I then Summon a Kaiju to my side of the field. I activate Remove Brainwashing. What happens here? I know it's one of the following, I just don't know which:

 

1) Nothing happens. Since you can't control 2 Kaiju, Remove Brainwashing cannot properly resolve it's continuous effect until the Kaiju YOU control leaves the field to "make room" for the one your opponent has.

 

2) Activating Remove Brainwashing is considered an illegal move as it creates a situation where two continuous, inert, and contradictory effects are trying to resolve simultaneously and as such the game state can no longer advance.

 

3) The Kaiju it properly taken back, but instantly destroys itself as you control more than one.

 

The Salvation team is having a nightmare with this, as Kaiju dittos are just completely destroying the game state with a very bizzare glitch. They are convinced the proper ruling is #3, but before they get any further I want to check this as to me it seems like it should actually be #1 or #2

It's the third one. You can compare Malefics to Kaiju in this regard. Note, it's the newest one that's detroyed, not the ones you had previously.

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My opponent normal summons Yosenju Kama 1. There are no other Yosenju monsters on the field. I activate Solemn Warning. Can my opponent chain Yosenju Secret Move?

 

I'm thinking that it's no, but I don't know the reasoning for it.

 

No. At the timing Summon negation occurs, the Summon is only being "attempted", it is not successful yet. As such, the monster is not considered to be on the Field. That's why you can use Warning and similar on Jinzo, despite its anti-Trap effect.

 

But do note Move can be used if they have Yosenju CARDS, not just monsters. So if they have a Pendulum Scale set or something, they can use Secret Move.

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It's been a long while since I posted here, but playing September 2010 format has brought up some interesting rulings that I've forgotten. 

 

If I summon a Caius the Shadow Monarch and activate it's effect targeting itself, then my opponent chains Torrential Tribute, would the 1000 damage still be inflicted?

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It's been a long while since I posted here, but playing September 2010 format has brought up some interesting rulings that I've forgotten. 

 

If I summon a Caius the Shadow Monarch and activate it's effect targeting itself, then my opponent chains Torrential Tribute, would the 1000 damage still be inflicted?

No it wouldn't. For it to inflict damage, the target must be banished, as stated by the effect. You can see this because it say "and if you do", meaning that if the first part didn't happen, the second part can't happen either.

 

When this card is Tribute Summoned: Target 1 card on the field; banish that target, and if you do, inflict 1000 damage to your opponent if it was a DARK monster.

 

More details can be found here:

https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514

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I control Morphtronic Lantron in ATK position and D/D/D Oracle King D'arc. My opponent activates an effect that inflicts effect damage to me [just pretend they're that stupid or they didn't have a choice about doing so] What happens?

You would gain LP here because of D'Arc, and as such, Lantron does not apply its effect.

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Is the destroying part of Solemn Warning mandatory, as in can you activate it in response to a graveyard/banish effect?

 

You can still use it in response to a Graveyard/banish effect that Special Summons. You just perform as much of the effect as possible, which in this case will be to negate the activation.

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Is the destroying part of Solemn Warning mandatory, as in can you activate it in response to a graveyard/banish effect?

During the resolution of an effect, you must be able to do everything it states, unless the card says "you can" anywhere in there, which obviously makes that part optional. As for Solmen Warning and something that activates in the Graveyard/while banished, negating and destroying both need to happen, but cards in the Graveyard/banished cannot be destroyed. You may think that because of this, you wouldn't be able to activate it, but the not being able to destroy them doesn't mean that you can't attempt to destroy them. You could use Dark Hole while a monster cannot be destroyed by card effects for example, it would just not do it. This is also why you can target a monster that is unaffected by card effects, even though the effect wouldn't do anything to it. Do note that if a card were to say "You cannot activate cards that would destroy this card" or something like that, you would not still be able to activate it, since preventing an activation works differently than something not being able to happen.

 

In conclusion, you can activate Solemn Warning against those, but they will simply not be destroyed, but their Summons will still be negated, as their PSCT suggests, the "and if you do" part meaning that the first part is required, but if the second part can't happen, the first part will still resolve normally (important, this is for the resolution only, not the action activation part, you must still be able to activate it at first).

 

https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4514

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Yes you can. Scrap Dragon says "them", so even if one target isn't destroyed, it will still destroy the second target. If it said "destroy those targets" instead, it would be different, and it would not destroy them, as both must be destroyed to do anything.

 

You can read more here:

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Problem-Solving_Card_Text

 

According to the link you posted, if Scrap Dragon said "destroy those targets," it would still destroy the second target as long as it was a card under your opponent's control. If it said "destroy both those targets," however, neither would be destroyed if 1 target isn't destroyed.

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I'm fairly sure on this but when someone activates say Polymerization or Advanced Ritual Art and it goes through, the monster being summoned after the materials are sent cannot be Solemn Warning'd, correct?

Youre correct. To negate this type o summon they should chain Solemn directly to the activation of the SpellCard. They cant use it on a monster that was Summoned during the resolution of an effect.

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