Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[-Berserker-]

Barian's Force and Numeron Force cause Umbralis to miss the timing, right?

[Zazubat]

Barian's Force and Numeron Force cause Umbralis to miss the timing, right?

Yes, that's correct. The last thing to happen is not it being summoned, but Numeron Force negating everything else on the field.

[evilfusion]

Barian's Force only makes C104 miss the timing if it successively steals an Xyz Material.

[.codex]

So, I have Archfiend of Gilfer attached to Giant Killer (Used Galaxy Queen's Light to make it Level and I use it's effect. My monster will be able to activate it's effect, right? Since, it was sent to the Graveyard, as others with that same wording does.

[darkwolf777]

So, I have Archfiend of Gilfer attached to Giant Killer (Used Galaxy Queen's Light to make it Level and I use it's effect. My monster will be able to activate it's effect, right? Since, it was sent to the Graveyard, as others with that same wording does.

 

You're asking if you can use Archfiend of Gilfer's effect when detached as a material =.=

 

If you're using it to pay the cost to activate Giant Killer's effect, Archfiend of Gilfer will miss the timing.

[Zazubat]

When does Double Tool C&D activate the "During your turn" effect, is it before you draw during your Draw Phase, or when is it? Also, does it activate right away when you equip it during your turn?

[Mysty]

When does Double Tool C&D activate the "During your turn" effect, is it before you draw during your Draw Phase, or when is it? Also, does it activate right away when you equip it during your turn?

 

It was horribly written, and written before PSCT. As such, the colon doesn't necessarily mean activation. It just means that, during your turn, it has one set of effects, and during the other turn, it has a different set of effects.

[Zazubat]

 

It was horribly written, and written before PSCT. As such, the colon doesn't necessarily mean activation. It just means that, during your turn, it has one set of effects, and during the other turn, it has a different set of effects.

Ah okay, well that's annoying, it makes it look like it was after PSCT, but reading on the wikia, it was released a month before G-Force

 

EDIT: Got a CC question. If I have an effect that states this:

 

When this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of an “Atlasian” card: You can target 1 “Atlasian” monster in your Graveyard, except “Atlasian Jester; Special Summon that target. You cannot Synchro Summon for the rest of the turn, except for the Synchro Summon of an "Atlasian" monster.

 

If that card was added by this the effect of a card that drew him, would it trigger? I have monster effect which states:

 

When this card inflicts piercing Battle Damage to your opponent: Draw 1 card and reveal it, and inflict 300 damage to your opponent equal to the Level of that card x 300, also if it is an “Atlasian” monster, either Special Summon it, or have 1 monster you control gain ATK equal to half its ATK. You can only Special Summon 1 “Atlasian” monster this way per turn.

 

It also has a piercing clause, just pretend that it does for now.

[Mysty]

Ah okay, well that's annoying, it makes it look like it was after PSCT, but reading on the wikia, it was released a month before G-Force

 

EDIT: Got a CC question. If I have an effect that states this:

 

When this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of an “Atlasian” card: You can target 1 “Atlasian” monster in your Graveyard, except “Atlasian Jester; Special Summon that target. You cannot Synchro Summon for the rest of the turn, except for the Synchro Summon of an "Atlasian" monster.

 

If that card was added by this the effect of a card that drew him, would it trigger? I have monster effect which states:

 

When this card inflicts piercing Battle Damage to your opponent: Draw 1 card and reveal it, and inflict 300 damage to your opponent equal to the Level of that card x 300, also if it is an “Atlasian” monster, either Special Summon it, or have 1 monster you control gain ATK equal to half its ATK. You can only Special Summon 1 “Atlasian” monster this way per turn.

 

It also has a piercing clause, just pretend that it does for now.

 

Drawing a card does add it to your hand, so it does indeed trigger, assuming it doesn't miss the timing.

 

That last ability is a cluster of random abilities combined with conjunctions that I'm not sure fit what you want to do. However, I'm guessing it doesn't have any "then" clauses, so all the effects should activate at the same time under this wording.

 

However, I don't think that you can use the second one's effect to summon the first one and still have the first one trigger to summon yet another. It would seem strange if a card on the field would remember being added to the hand by a card effect.

[Zazubat]

 

Drawing a card does add it to your hand, so it does indeed trigger, assuming it doesn't miss the timing.

 

That last ability is a cluster of random abilities combined with conjunctions that I'm not sure fit what you want to do. However, I'm guessing it doesn't have any "then" clauses, so all the effects should activate at the same time under this wording.

 

However, I don't think that you can use the second one's effect to summon the first one and still have the first one trigger to summon yet another. It would seem strange if a card on the field would remember being added to the hand by a card effect.

No, that wouldn't be possible, and it's not what I was intending. Anyway, my main question was just if adding would cause it to trigger, I first had it revealing a cost, in which case it wouldn't be added by a card effect, and I also have some "thens" in there, so I changed it to say that, since that was my intended way of making them work together. Oh, and it isn't random, it works well for the Archetype, but that's not really importnat. Either way, thanks.

[darkwolf777]

Ah okay, well that's annoying, it makes it look like it was after PSCT, but reading on the wikia, it was released a month before G-Force

 

EDIT: Got a CC question. If I have an effect that states this:

 

When this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of an “Atlasian” card: You can target 1 “Atlasian” monster in your Graveyard, except “Atlasian Jester; Special Summon that target. You cannot Synchro Summon for the rest of the turn, except for the Synchro Summon of an "Atlasian" monster.

 

If that card was added by this the effect of a card that drew him, would it trigger? I have monster effect which states:

 

When this card inflicts piercing Battle Damage to your opponent: Draw 1 card and reveal it, and inflict 300 damage to your opponent equal to the Level of that card x 300, also if it is an “Atlasian” monster, either Special Summon it, or have 1 monster you control gain ATK equal to half its ATK. You can only Special Summon 1 “Atlasian” monster this way per turn.

 

It also has a piercing clause, just pretend that it does for now.

 

Drawing a card is indeed considered adding a card from your Deck to your Hand.

 

Although as your card is written, your first Atlantean card will miss the timing for the second card's effect.

[Zazubat]

Drawing a card is indeed considered adding a card from your Deck to your Hand.

 

Although as your card is written, your first Atlantean card will miss the timing for the second card's effect.

It's Atlasian, but that doens't matter. What does matter is how it misses timing? Could you point out how it does it?

[darkwolf777]

It's Atlasian, but that doens't matter. What does matter is how it misses timing? Could you point out how it does it?

 

Because at the time of "When this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of an “Atlasian”, your card's effect is still resolving the "reveal it/deal damage/possible Special Summon" effects of it.  A new card cannot activate while another is resolving.  Once your card resolves, the timing has passed as it is no longer the time where it was "added from your Deck to your Hand".

 

As much as you'd want some things to be simultaneous, certain actions are not possible to be simultaneous, so your adding "and" in the text isn't going to change that.  Drawing, Revealing it, and Dealing Damage based on that reveal isn't something that can be simultaneous together.  You'd have to have drawn the card in order to reveal it, and you must reveal it first before you can deal damage based on it.  You cannot perform multiple hand manipulations simultaneously nor can you perform effects together whose resolution is dependent on the conjoined action (see Zero-MAX).

[Zazubat]

Because at the time of "When this card is added from your Deck to your hand by the effect of an “Atlasian”, your card's effect is still resolving the "reveal it/deal damage/possible Special Summon" effects of it.  A new card cannot activate while another is resolving.  Once your card resolves, the timing has passed as it is no longer the time where it was "added from your Deck to your Hand".

 

As much as you'd want some things to be simultaneous, certain actions are not possible to be simultaneous, so your adding "and" in the text isn't going to change that.  Drawing, Revealing it, and Dealing Damage based on that reveal isn't something that can be simultaneous together.  You'd have to have drawn the card in order to reveal it, and you must reveal it first before you can deal damage based on it.  You cannot perform multiple hand manipulations simultaneously nor can you perform effects together whose resolution is dependent on the conjoined action (see Zero-MAX).

But, rules about "and", "also", and "and if you do" state otherwise. Regardless of what it is that happens, as long as it says one of those, a card is able to respond to them. This is only a problem with "then", which states that if anything is before "then", then those have lost their timing, only cards which are after it and card with "and", "also", and "and if you do" are enabled for those, and so on. Why should my card be any different just because I havn't worded my card like other cards are worded, such as Gishki Zielgigas? I mean, in terms of how gameplay works, you don't need to increase the ATK before you shuffle a card into the deck, you just need to do both of them before you can do "then". It should work the same here, it just isn't how other cards are worded. I'm going to say that since my wording is different, it works different then those other cards for now. Either that, or I could also just make the other card an "if" effect, that would probably be a lot simpler. Just forget about this, I'm gonna change it to that instead and use the normal wording, that isn't gonna be so confusing.

[darkwolf777]

I already said what the reasoning was.  Also, yes you should use the word "If" which cuts out any missing the timing bs.

[Zazubat]

I already said what the reasoning was.  Also, yes you should use the word "If" which cuts out any missing the timing bs.

I also said that it was kind of a new thing I made up since no other cards (that I know of) use the wording I did. There arn't any rules regarding that other than what I can make up for them, and what I made up for them is to work like other cards do, even if you wouldn't word it that way. But simply changing that card instead is the easier solution to not create new unneeded rulings.

[darkwolf777]

I also said that it was kind of a new thing I made up since no other cards (that I know of) use the wording I did. There arn't any rules regarding that other than what I can make up for them, and what I made up for them is to work like other cards do, even if you wouldn't word it that way. But simply changing that card instead is the easier solution to not create new unneeded rulings.

 

You can say "and" however you want.  It will be wrong though to believe its simultaneous when in those situations I mentioned it wont be.

[antist0opid]

Can I Special Summon "Malefic Stardust Dragon" when "Mind Drain" is active on the field?

[Zazubat]

Can I Special Summon "Malefic Stardust Dragon" when "Mind Drain" is active on the field?

Melefic Stardust Dragon is an inherrent Special Summon, you can Summon it. If it was something with a colon or semi-colon, such as High Priestess (and where the parentheses were not there) then the answer would be no

[antist0opid]

thanks

[Zazubat]

In Zexal Episode 79, Rio used Diamond Dust to avoid the effect damage of Battleship Cherry Blossom by destroying Blizard Falcon, though shouldn't the damage be reduced by only 400 since Diamond Dust would have been sent to the Graveyard when the chain resolved fully, not right away? Isn't that how it works, or did I get it backwards.

[darkwolf777]

In Zexal Episode 79, Rio used Diamond Dust to avoid the effect damage of Battleship Cherry Blossom by destroying Blizard Falcon, though shouldn't the damage be reduced by only 400 since Diamond Dust would have been sent to the Graveyard when the chain resolved fully, not right away? Isn't that how it works, or did I get it backwards.

 

Spell and Trap cards, unless destroyed otherwise, do not send themselves to the Graveyard until the chain fully resolves. 

 

I haven't seen the episode to really say what happened, but Diamond Dust would have still counted for Cherry Blossom's effect normally.

[Zazubat]

Shoot didn't mean to post anything.

[Zazubat]

Vain - Despising Betrayal can target another Xyz Monster that attacks after it has been activated right?

[darkwolf777]

Vain - Despising Betrayal can target another Xyz Monster that attacks after it has been activated right?

 

No.  This will only affect the Xyz that attacked at activation.  You cannot activate an already face-up Vain - Despising Betrayal when another Xyz monster attacks.