Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[.codex]

Gem-Knight Master Diamond doesn't lose it's ATK gain when you copy something else right?

[darkwolf777]

Gem-Knight Master Diamond doesn't lose it's ATK gain when you copy something else right?

 

It says the original effect becomes the effect of the banished monster.  While copied, he does not keep the ATK gain effect.

[.codex]

It says the original effect becomes the effect of the banished monster.  While copied, he does not keep the ATK gain effect.

Oh, must have totaly missed that. I knew that others didn't, so I found it weird that this did.

[.codex]

With cards like Spellbook of Fate, Advance Zone, Trial and Tribulation, Starlord Galaxion, Gagaga Cowboy etc. you only apply 1 effect, not all if possible right?

[Zazubat]

Alright, I have never really been up againts Noble Knights before, so I don't know much in how their Spells/Traps work, but shouldn't Forbidden Lance prevent the ATK gain from Gallatin? Also, it was equipped with Arfeudutyr, and he used the effect, which makes it lose 500 ATK, so it brings it down to 700 ATK. That card states that the ATK loss remains even if it becomes unaffected. Gallatin's 200 ATK loss had also been used on it, so does that mean it will have 500 ATK, or does it become unaffected by Forbidden Lance too? Talking about Artorigus King of the Noble Knights btw.

[evilfusion]

Gallatin does not apply a permanent ATK loss the same way as Arfeudtyr. The gains/loss of Gallatin disappear with Forbidden Lance. Any losses from Arf will remain.

 

So if you Lance a King that had both Gallatin and Arf with one usage, it will lose 800 from Lance, the buffs of Gallatin disappear, and it still has -500 from Arfeudtyr. That makes it have 700 ATK.

[darkwolf777]

With cards like Spellbook of Fate, Advance Zone, Trial and Tribulation, Starlord Galaxion, Gagaga Cowboy etc. you only apply 1 effect, not all if possible right?

 

Generally, follow what the options tell you.  Spellbook of Fate options state 1, 2, or 3; Exact Numbers.  If you banished 3 monsters, then 3 is not equal to 1 or 2, so you cannot apply the 1 or 2 effects.  Only the 3 effect.

 

Advance Zone's options state to apply the effects based on the number of Tributes.  All options state 1+, 2+ and 3+.  If you Tributed 3 monsters or more, you will apply all three effects.

 

Trial and Tribulation and Starlord Galaxion are similar to Spellbook of Fate

 

Its not possible for Gagaga Cowboy to be both in Attack Position and Defense Position, so it doesn't really apply in this question =/

 

 

Alright, I have never really been up againts Noble Knights before, so I don't know much in how their Spells/Traps work, but shouldn't Forbidden Lance prevent the ATK gain from Gallatin? Also, it was equipped with Arfeudutyr, and he used the effect, which makes it lose 500 ATK, so it brings it down to 700 ATK. That card states that the ATK loss remains even if it becomes unaffected. Gallatin's 200 ATK loss had also been used on it, so does that mean it will have 500 ATK, or does it become unaffected by Forbidden Lance too? Talking about Artorigus King of the Noble Knights btw.

 

If Forbidden Lance is applied then it should be obvious that the ATK modifier of Noble Arms - Gallatin is not applied.  The ATK reduction of Gallatin is combined with the ATK gain of Gallatin and are part of the card's Continuous Effects.  The +1000 and -200 is applied, becoming +800.  Then +1000 and -400 is applied becoming +600 and so on.  If Gallatin is negated or removed (or the monster is unaffected), then the monster's ATK would be at its normal values.

 

That effect of Noble Arms - Arfeudutyr is an activated effect of Arfeudutyr, not a Continuous Effect of it.  If you choose to activate the effect, that effect applies to that monster; it is not Continuous in any way (like activating Rush Recklessly to increase a monster's attack by 700.  Making the monster to be unaffected by Spells after this is applied will not remove that 700 ATK boost).  The monster will permanently lose 500 ATK, regardless of whether Arfeudutyr stays equipped or not (or if the monster is no longer affected by Arfeudutyr).

[Zazubat]

BTW, I activated my Lance in response to my opponent using the effect of Arfeudutyr, does that matter in any way?

[darkwolf777]

BTW, I activated my Lance in response to my opponent using the effect of Arfeudutyr, does that matter in any way?

 

Yes, because Lance will be applied before Arfeudutyr, meaning the 500 ATK reduction of Arfeudutyr will not apply (and therefore the set card is not destroyed).

 

And I guess to answer the question about ATK values, -800 from Forbidden Lance, 0 from Gallatin (as the monster is not affected), and 0 from Arfeudutyr as the effect had not successfully been applied.

[Zazubat]

Yes, because Lance will be applied before Arfeudutyr, meaning the 500 ATK reduction of Arfeudutyr will not apply (and therefore the set card is not destroyed).

That's what I figured would happen. Thanks.

[Synchronized]

If I have a Madolche Hootcake on the field, and I banish to activate effect, opponent responds with Fiendish Chain, to which I respond with Forbidden Dress, does Hootcake's effect still work during this turn because Chain temporarily stops targeting it despite the fact that Chain was activated first? I know how this works against Compulse, but Chain is continouous so I wasn't sure if there would be a difference.

[darkwolf777]

If I have a Madolche Hootcake on the field, and I banish to activate effect, opponent responds with Fiendish Chain, to which I respond with Forbidden Dress, does Hootcake's effect still work during this turn because Chain temporarily stops targeting it despite the fact that Chain was activated first? I know how this works against Compulse, but Chain is continouous so I wasn't sure if there would be a difference.

 

Banishing a monster is an effect of Hootcake, not a Cost, so you cannot "Banish to activate effect".  You only target at activation.

 

In any case, Fiendish Chain already targeted your monster.  Chaining Forbidden Dress will do nothing to stop Fiendish Chain from targeting and Fiendish Chain will still Continuously target Madolche Hootcake.

[Medivh]

If I activate Earthshaker, declare WIND and WATER, the opponent chooses wind, then I activate DNA Transplant and declare WIND, will all face-up monsters on the field be destroyed? 

[Zazubat]

If I activate Earthshaker, declare WIND and WATER, the opponent chooses wind, then I activate DNA Transplant and declare WIND, will all face-up monsters on the field be destroyed? 

It's hard to say since the card is old, though I believe the card does all of that at resolution, and since you cannot activate cards or effects when a chain resolves, I don't think so.

[darkwolf777]

If I activate Earthshaker, declare WIND and WATER, the opponent chooses wind, then I activate DNA Transplant and declare WIND, will all face-up monsters on the field be destroyed? 

 

You declare Attributes with Earthshaker during resolution, not at activation, so you cannot activate DNA Transplant as Earthshaker would be resolving already at the time you would be declaring Attributes.

[Sunn O)))]

My friend has Infestation Infection and Evilswarm Thunderbird. He activates Infestation Infection then chains Thunderbird. He does not shuffle any Evilswarm into his deck.  Thunderbird is banished and he adds an Evilswarm from his deck to his hand. Is that a legal move?

[evilfusion]

My friend has Infestation Infection and Evilswarm Thunderbird. He activates Infestation Infection then chains Thunderbird. He does not shuffle any Evilswarm into his deck.  Thunderbird is banished and he adds an Evilswarm from his deck to his hand. Is that a legal move?

 

No, it's not. Infestation returns the Evilswarm to the Deck as a cost. You pay the cost(s) before any chain opportunity occurs.

[newhat]

When a monster is equipped with an Equip Card such as Axe of Despair, does the effect of the Equip Card target that monster, or only the Equip Card itself?

[evilfusion]

When a monster is equipped with an Equip Card such as Axe of Despair, does the effect of the Equip Card target that monster, or only the Equip Card itself?

 

It means the same thing in this case. The card is targeting the monster with an effect.

 

The difference between activating a card and activating an effect is best seen with cards like Solemn Warning, or Light and Darkness Dragon. Solemn Warning negates the activation of a Spell or Trap CARD that includes an effect to SS, or the activation of a Monster Effect that does the same. (With Monster Effects, you're never activating the card, you're activating the effect).

 

If the activated Spell or Trap has an effect that kicks in right away, such as Monster Reborn (which targets and SSes at resolution), you have activated the card, but also activated the effect of the card. If there isn't an effect that kicks in immediately, such as a Continuous or Field Spell that you can use the effect of at a later time, such as Infernity Launcher or Dragon Ravine, you activated the CARD when you played it face-up on the Field. When you activate the effects of those card(s), you are activating the effect, and neither LADD nor Solemn Warning can negate them at that time.

[Zazubat]

When a monster is equipped with an Equip Card such as Axe of Despair, does the effect of the Equip Card target that monster, or only the Equip Card itself?

Reading Aurkus, Lightsword Druid, it seems that it cannot be targeted by Spell Cards, but it doesn't say that it is the effect, only that it cannot be targeted by Spell Cards period.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Aurkus,_Lightsworn_Druid

 

The same goes for Lord of D., it has the same clause about targeting for Spell Cards, but it doens't say "the effects of Spell Cards". I look through all "cannot be targeted by effects" cards, and found no Ruling that follows your question.

[Mysty]

Reading Aurkus, Lightsword Druid, it seems that it cannot be targeted by Spell Cards, but it doesn't say that it is the effect, only that it cannot be targeted by Spell Cards period.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Aurkus,_Lightsworn_Druid

 

The same goes for Lord of D., it has the same clause about targeting for Spell Cards, but it doens't say "the effects of Spell Cards". I look through all "cannot be targeted by effects" cards, and found no Ruling that follows your question.

 

I think he was mainly asking about if Blue-Eyed/Azure-Eyes Maiden getting equipped with Wonder wand summons a Blue-Eyes, which is a claim made in a recent thread.

[evilfusion]

 

I think he was mainly asking about if Blue-Eyed/Azure-Eyes Maiden getting equipped with Wonder wand summons a Blue-Eyes, which is a claim made in a recent thread.

 

Using Equip Cards is targeting with a card effect. Equips target by their very nature. You are activating a card and targeting with an effect.

 

Wonder Wand's "send to draw 2" is not targeting.

[Zazubat]

 

I think he was mainly asking about if Blue-Eyed/Azure-Eyes Maiden getting equipped with Wonder wand summons a Blue-Eyes, which is a claim made in a recent thread.

I am having the same feeling, which is why I tried to look for answers if it was an effect, I couldn't find any that said it couldn't be targeted by Equip Cards, since they were effects, only that they couldn't be targeted by Spell Cards always, so I couldn't find any connection.

 

Using Equip Cards is targeting with a card effect. Equips target by their very nature. You are activating a card and targeting with an effect.

 

Wonder Wand's "send to draw 2" is not targeting.

What does the "send to draw 2" have to do with anything?

[evilfusion]

I am having the same feeling, which is why I tried to look for answers if it was an effect, I couldn't find any that said it couldn't be targeted by Equip Cards, since they were effects, only that they couldn't be targeted by Spell Cards always, so I couldn't find any connection.

 

The only time I know of where there's a genuine distinction between "card" and "effect" is with cards that negate activation. LADD can negate Monster Reborn, or Valhalla when you play them face-up on the Field. But if Valhalla is already face-up, and you activate the effect to SS a Fairy while LADD is on the Field, LADD won't activate because only an EFFECT of a card is being activated, not the card itself.

 

When you play Spell or Traps face-up, you are activating a card. If their effect applies when the card is activated, you are also activating an effect.

 

What does the "send to draw 2" have to do with anything?

 

That's the only other effect of Wonder Wand that might be mistaken as targeting or not targeting. Equips target by default, but the other effect of that Equip does not target.

[Zazubat]

That's the only other effect of Wonder Wand that might be mistaken as targeting or not targeting. Equips target by default, but the other effect of that Equip does not target.

Why would you think this targets anyway, just asking, does anybody think that effect targets? Seriously, I want to know.