Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

I don't get what you're asking.  If the monster affected by Mini-Guts is removed from the field or flipped face-down, the effect of MIni-Guts is no longer applied.

 

 

In the OCG, VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Dragon is your standard Ignition Effect which is not mandatory at all.

 

In the TCG, it shouldn't still be treated as mandatory, as it wouldn't make for an Ignition Effect to act this way since to 1) You wont be able to activate it with no valid target and 2) Not be able to end your turn unless you activate it during your Main Phase.

 

If the TCG is treating it as something like a "Trigger Effect", then you can activate it, but with no targets, nothing would happen when such an effect resolves, but I somehow doubt that's the way its treated nowadays.

I should probably have said "if Mini-Guts leaves the Graveyard/the Banished Zone (in case of Macro), will it still Trigger?" instead.

[Northern Sage]

I don't get what you're asking.  If the monster affected by Mini-Guts is removed from the field or flipped face-down, the effect of MIni-Guts is no longer applied.

 

 

In the OCG, VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Dragon is your standard Ignition Effect which is not mandatory at all.

 

In the TCG, it shouldn't still be treated as mandatory, as it wouldn't make for an Ignition Effect to act this way since to 1) You wont be able to activate it with no valid target and 2) Not be able to end your turn unless you activate it during your Main Phase.

 

If the TCG is treating it as something like a "Trigger Effect", then you can activate it, but with no targets, nothing would happen when such an effect resolves, but I somehow doubt that's the way its treated nowadays.

Oh, alright, didn't know that. Thanks.

Man, it needs an errata.

[Zazubat]

Yet the TCG rulings still say that it's mandatory:

 

This card's first effect is not optional. If the opponent has any cards on their side of the field, you must use this effect during your turn*

[Northern Sage]

Yet the TCG rulings still say that it's mandatory:

 

This card's first effect is not optional. If the opponent has any cards on their side of the field, you must use this effect during your turn*

UDE rulings. Not official.

[Zazubat]

UDE rulings. Not official.

Most of them are correct though. But yes, there needs to be a word from Konami to tell if they're still accurate.

[Miror B]

I should probably have said "if Mini-Guts leaves the Graveyard/the Banished Zone (in case of Macro), will it still Trigger?" instead.

Once mini guts resolves it's done. It leaves its condition. Moving it around does nothing.

[Zazubat]

Once mini guts resolves it's done. It leaves its condition. Moving it around does nothing.

Does that condition also activate on the field?

[darkwolf777]

Once mini guts resolves it's done. It leaves its condition. Moving it around does nothing.

 

I think the issue is that it starts a chain, according to its card text with it using a colon.  That means a card effect is activating when the monster is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard.  Whether it considers it to be the card in the Graveyard activating, or whether it be activating from no location, such as Sun Dragon Inti's effect, I am not sure about. 

 

If it has to activate, as the card text seems to imply, it would make more sense to be similar to Sun Dragon Inti, in such a case, the effect would not activate from any such location

 

 

Yet the TCG rulings still say that it's mandatory:

 

This card's first effect is not optional. If the opponent has any cards on their side of the field, you must use this effect during your turn*

 

 

 

Upper Deck Rulings are not considered official by current standards.  Although many of them do remain true until otherwise stated, something like this is quite questionable.  The fact that the question comes up on the Japanese wikis of whether or not the effect is mandatory must mean that its written in an awkward way as it is here in English, although there it is ruled that it is simply an Ignition Effect that you can choose to activate or not.

[-Berserker-]

Please tell me I am not wrong.

 

If I tribute summon THE TYRANT NEPTUNE by tributing Angel 07 or Naturia Bambooshoot, and target them in the grave for NEPTUNE's effect; NEPTUNE will gain those effects, as they fulfill the condition of being tribute summoned/being tribute summoned by tributing a Naturia.

 

Am I right?

[evilfusion]

Please tell me I am not wrong.

 

If I tribute summon THE TYRANT NEPTUNE by tributing Angel 07 or Naturia Bambooshoot, and target them in the grave for NEPTUNE's effect; NEPTUNE will gain those effects, as they fulfill the condition of being tribute summoned/being tribute summoned by tributing a Naturia.

 

Am I right?

 

Yes, you are correct. Tyrant Neptune claims the targeted effect, and considers it his own effect. It won't be able to apply the effect of say, Caius, because the Trigger timing is past when Neptune resolves. But Continuous effects, such as 07 or Bambooshoot, will apply correctly to Neptune.

[.codex]

Somebody on DN tried to argue that Soul Ogre's effect would set off Gishki Shadow. I said no because you need to discard with Shadow for that to work properly. Which is right?

[L0SS]

Somebody on DN tried to argue that Soul Ogre's effect would set off Gishki Shadow. I said no because you need to discard with Shadow for that to work properly. Which is right?

You're right. Shadow's effect can only be fulfilled by itself; it doesn't activate upon discard, only upon a discard by it's own effect. Therefore, Soul Ogre cannot set it off.

[Zazubat]

I control my face-up Infernity Mirage. I wish  to Tribute it, but my opponent uses his Effect Veiler. I can still Tribute it right? And I can still gain the effect?

[Mysty]

I control my face-up Infernity Mirage. I wish  to Tribute it, but my opponent uses his Effect Veiler. I can still Tribute it right? And I can still gain the effect?

 

Well, that depends: Did you just Normal Summon a monster (such as Mirage)/did something else just resolve?

 

After something resolves or a monster is successfully summoned, each player gets priority to activate in what I like to call "Bottomless timing". This timing is why Bottomless Trap Hole and Book of Moon can prevent synchro summons from happening. During this timing, you can't activate Mirage but your opponent can activate Veiler targeting Mirage.

 

However, if it is past that timing and you have priority, you can Tribute Mirage as a cost. In which case, since Mirage is off the field, Veiler can no longer target it.

 

What will answer your question is: If Mirage has already been affected by Veiler, Mirage is negated; you are free to tribute it and target two Infernities, but the effect will be negated and you do not get to Special Summon those targets.

[darkwolf777]

What Mysty is saying is that you can say you're going to Tribute it and then the opponent cannot say "well, i'm going to activate Effect Veiler now before you do that".

 

If you're in your General Priority (where you can make Inherent/Normal summons/set cards/etc), the opponent has no right to activate Veiler on your monster because they have no priority.

 

For your opponent to gain priority, you must give it to them, by activating something, or passing priority by not activating something.

 

Any action perform grants a response from both players.  If you summoned Infernity Mirage, then at this time, both you and your opponent can respond to the summon with a card effect.  In this case, Veiler could be used at this time.  If they passed priority at this opportunity and don't activate it, and you return to General Priority, then their chance to activate Veiler is lost until the next action you perform (or pass of priority).  If your next action is to activate Infernity Mirage and tribute it, then as mentioned, it'll be off the field as the cost to activate and of course Veiler can no longer be activated onto it.

 

Everything else is correct.  If its already affected by Veiler, then you can still activate it and Tribute it, but it will still be negated.

[Zazubat]

Right, so my move was false after all. I figured that it would no longer be negated since it was no longer on the field. I know that my opponent has the chance to do that before I can Tribute, that isn't what I was asking, but from the looks of it, if its negated, even if it left the field, then I won't get my effect.

[-Berserker-]

A fiendish chained Majestic Mech will regain it's effect when Chain is destroyed, and will be sent to the grave during the End Phase of that turn, right?

Will a fiendish chained Angel 07 recover it's effect after Chain is destroyed?

[Zazubat]

A fiendish chained Majestic Mech will regain it's effect when Chain is destroyed, and will be sent to the grave during the End Phase of that turn, right?

Will a fiendish chained Angel 07 recover it's effect after Chain is destroyed?

I am not 100 % sure on this, but I think they forget that they have been summoned. I think this because of how Beast King Barbaros works. I could be wrong though.

[Miror B]

I am not 100 % sure on this, but I think they forget that they have been summoned. I think this because of how Beast King Barbaros works. I could be wrong though.

That's not how it works at all. Barbaros is ruled that way because that's how ATK modifiers that only affect the monster with using the effect work (Like Barbaros or Leviathan)

Monsters don't just magically forget their summon. Majestic Mech should try and kill itself each End Phase after it is Summoned with its effect.

[Eury]

Can Fog King be Set using his effect to not have any Tributes or does he have to played face up?

[evilfusion]

Can Fog King be Set using his effect to not have any Tributes or does he have to played face up?

 

Fog King specifically says it can be "Normal Summoned" without Tribute. You must Normal Summon it in face-up Attack Position. Otherwise, you're Normal Setting it without Tribute. Compare to Beast King Barbaros and Fusilier Dragon, which both state you can "Normal Summon or Set without Tribute"

[Zazubat]

If I use a "Must first be Special Summoned" monster as an Xyz Material, can I bring that guy back from the Graveyard afterwards?

[Miror B]

If I use a "Must first be Special Summoned" monster as an Xyz Material, can I bring that guy back from the Graveyard afterwards?

If they were properly summoned yes. The "properly summoned" condition only goes away when they return to the hand or Deck.

[Zazubat]

If they were properly summoned yes. The "properly summoned" condition only goes away when they return to the hand or Deck.

That was what I was wondering about. Another question, if Phantom Lord Hide Ride's effect is negated, can I use it as a non-Tuner? The wikia calls it a condition so I would think yes.

[darkwolf777]

That was what I was wondering about. Another question, if Phantom Lord Hide Ride's effect is negated, can I use it as a non-Tuner? The wikia calls it a condition so I would think yes.

 

Hm.  As its written, it shouldn't be a condition.  It would need to say "as a Synchro Material Monster" to make it a condition.  That makes it a Continuous Effect which will be negated.

 

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Also

 

Ｑ：《スキルドレイン》が存在する時にこのカードをチューナー以外のモンスターとして扱いシンクロ召喚できますか？

Ａ：いいえ、その場合このカードの効果が無効にされできません。(11/10/02)

 

Can I treat Synchro Summon as non-Tuner monsters this card when "skills drain" exists: Q?

A: No, the effect of this card is not Deki is disabled in that case. (11/10/02)