Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 So you know how you could chain 2+ card effects directing to a summon-ex:----Player A Normal Summons----Player B Torrential----Player A Starlight, but not summoning Stardust----Player B Bottomless What if Player A Summons Stardust from Starlight's effectDoes that end the chain for the Normal Summon,Or was Stardust summoned in the chain and Player B's Bottomless will still target the Normal Summoned monster?Or Player B isn't able to activate Bottomless at all?I'm somewhat confuse on what you're asking, though I will answer what I think your question is. You ask if you are able to still use Bottomless Trap Hole after your opponent Chains Stardust? Yes, you could do that, and if you do, only that Normal Summoned monster would be affected. If you choose to use Bottomless after Starlight the full Chain has resolved, you will now only hit Stardust Dragon. If that's not what you're asking, then I got no idea what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 So you know how you could chain 2+ card effects directing to a summon-ex:----Player A Normal Summons----Player B Torrential----Player A Starlight, but not summoning Stardust----Player B Bottomless What if Player A Summons Stardust from Starlight's effectDoes that end the chain for the Normal Summon,Or was Stardust summoned in the chain and Player B's Bottomless will still target the Normal Summoned monster?Or Player B isn't able to activate Bottomless at all?You do not summon Stardust until Starlight Road resolves. It does not interfere with the timing at all in this case. You can still chain Bottomless to Starlight in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 You do not summon Stardust until Starlight Road resolves. It does not interfere with the timing at all in this case. You can still chain Bottomless to Starlight in this case.Ohhhh, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Ohhhh, thank you.An easy way to see that something happens at resolution (when the Chain resolves from the last card being activated to the first card that was activated) is to check for Semi-Colons. Anything after that happens at resolution. If the card doesn't have a semi-colon, then everything happens have the Colon. If the card doesn't have either, then it's a Continuous Effect (except for some Spell/Traps, as when you activat a S/T card, that also starts a Chain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Edit: my mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Well, you removed it, but both have a semi-colon. As long as it has a semi-colon, then it's a cost/it targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Ruling of Forbidden Dress Dress' effect has no negation to effects that targets the targeted monsterRather, it prohibitsSo if a monster is already targeted by a card effectAnd Dress chain to target that same monsterDress' effect will only be in effective after the chain resolves, right? Since that monster was already targeted before Dress was activated. Or does Dress resolve first, as a chain link 2And whatever targets the targeted monster just loose it's target?(o.O) The Effect of Forbidden Dress prevents targeting, but cannot do anything if the card already targeted the monster. If you have sunscreen (Forbidden Dress) and you apply it after you got sunburned (Targeted), its not going to prevent you from getting sunburn (Targeted) as you are already sunburned (Targeted). Apply sunscreen (Forbidden Dress) before you go outside and you will not get sunburned (targeted). But yeah, as I said, chaining Forbidden Dress to something that targeted your monster will do nothing to stop the targeting part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 The Effect of Forbidden Dress prevents targeting, but cannot do anything if the card already targeted the monster. If you have sunscreen (Forbidden Dress) and you apply it after you got sunburned (Targeted), its not going to prevent you from getting sunburn (Targeted) as you are already sunburned (Targeted). Apply sunscreen (Forbidden Dress) before you go outside and you will not get sunburned (targeted).I think that's the best analogy I have ever seen xD OP: If I control Archfiend General and Dimise of the Land is used, but the new Fiend Spell is also Pandemonium, will General be destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 LEGAL - Anti Fragrance Spell + Dark Simorgh = prohibits opponent setting spells due to Simorgh ILLEGAL- Morphing Jar + Protector of the Sanctuary = prohibits opponent drawing due to Protector What's the ruling that one of this combo is legal and the other is not?I mean, they do have the same concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 LEGAL - Anti Fragrance Spell + Dark Simorgh = prohibits opponent setting spells due to Simorgh ILLEGAL- Morphing Jar + Protector of the Sanctuary = prohibits opponent drawing due to Protector What's the ruling that one of this combo is legal and the other is not?I mean, they do have the same concept.I think you got something mixed up, Morphing Jar is legal with PoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I think you got something mixed up, Morphing Jar is legal with PoSWTHeckPeople told me that combo is declared by Konami as IllegalMeaning Protector's effect will not override Morphing's. You're telling me, If I flip my Morphing while I control ProtectorIt will dump my opponent's hand, and they draw none while I draw 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 WTHeckPeople told me that combo is declared by Konami as IllegalMeaning Protector's effect will not override Morphing's. You're telling me, If I flip my Morphing while I control ProtectorIt will dump my opponent's hand, and they draw none while I draw 5?Yup, it's legel as it's mandatory. If you had to do it for a cost, then you wouldn't be able to. Things that are not legal are typically only unrepairable gamestates, where two cards keep going back and foward. This would simply dump your opponent cards, and continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 LEGAL - Anti Fragrance Spell + Dark Simorgh = prohibits opponent setting spells due to Simorgh ILLEGAL- Morphing Jar + Protector of the Sanctuary = prohibits opponent drawing due to Protector What's the ruling that one of this combo is legal and the other is not?I mean, they do have the same concept. Morphing Jar is a mandatory flip effect. It must activate and perform what it can. The hands will be discarded, and the opponent of PotS will not draw cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Repost: If I control Archfiend General and Dimise of the Land is used, but the new Fiend Spell is also Pandemonium, will General be destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Repost: If I control Archfiend General and Dimise of the Land is used, but the new Fiend Spell is also Pandemonium, will General be destroyed? If you're activating Demise of the Land and you control Pandemonium, in order for you to activate another Pandemonium, you'll have to destroy the one already in your FIeld Spell Card Zone before the new one can be placed. When that happens, there wouldn't be any Pandemoniums on the field and Archfiend General will destroy itself. If your opponent controls Pandemonium and you're activating Demise of the Land to retrieve your own Pandemonium, when your Pandemonium is placed onto your Field Spell Zone, there will be 2 Pandemoniums face-up on the field, then your opponent's is destroyed, thereby leaving 1 on the field, never causing 0 Pandemoniums to be on the field and in this case it wouldn't be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Quick question, just out of sheer curiosity~ Karate Man + Safe Zone His ATK can't get higher then 2000, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Quick question, just out of sheer curiosity~Karate Man + Safe ZoneHis ATK can't get higher then 2000, right? right, because its doubling his original attack. unless you change the original attack its effect makes it 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Can I Inferno Reckless Summon 1 of my monster >1500ATK that was SS by a card effect?-ex: Summoner Monk + Inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Can I Inferno Reckless Summon 1 of my monster >1500ATK that was SS by a card effect?-ex: Summoner Monk + Infernoinferno specifies 1500 or less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 inferno specifies 1500 or less...Oh yes, I mean less than 1500ATKWell, can I Inferno it if it was SS by a card effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Oh yes, I mean less than 1500ATKWell, can I Inferno it if it was SS by a card effect?Was it special summoned?Yes?then yes you can. Inferno only cares that the monster ws SS'd, it has 1500 or less attack and that the oppponent has a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 If I have Chaos Hunter on the fieldMy opponent has Macro already activated on the field Does Macro still banish my cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 If I have Chaos Hunter on the fieldMy opponent has Macro already activated on the field Does Macro still banish my cards? Anything that states it cannot happen will override anything that could happen. Chaos Hunter states it cannot happen. Chaos Hunter > Macro. Edit: I should clarify - Since its your opponent's Macro, it is his card that's banishing. Neither player will banish cards for his Macro Cosmos, not just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 If I have a theoretical card that is a Normal Trap Negate Attack, and I chain Compulsory Evacuation Device to return the attacking monster to my hand, is its attack still negated and is the Battle Phase still ended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 If I have a theoretical card that is a Normal Trap Negate Attack, and I chain Compulsory Evacuation Device to return the attacking monster to my hand, is its attack still negated and is the Battle Phase still ended?If you use the same wording as Negate Attack, then no. You see, it uses the word "and". If a card does that, then you must do both, otherwise you do nothing. Though it seems to be pre PSCT, so I could be wrong here. Could you give me an example of the card? It shouldn't use the wording Negate Attack has, as it's old, and if you happened to change anything, it could be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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