Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

so basicially. it gets destroyed, chateau tries to add it back, deck dev realises there's a 1500> monster, destroys it again, loop infinite?

I would assume so. I wonder if anybody has noticed it before, worthing making a thread about if not. Anyway, I would think that you would need to keep it in the Grave if this would happen, but I don't really know a lot about the Infinite Loops rules.

[Miror B]

Also, I think it would lose it's target, and then Phantom would be sent to the Graveyard since it doesn't have one anymore.

This is wrong. The target is still there and still a proper target. Being unaffected does not destroy Horn in any way. Horn will just not affect it in giving it the 800 boost. The drawing a card effect still applies since that bit does not directly affect the monster in any way.

[Zazubat]

This is wrong. The target is still there and still a proper target. Being unaffected does not destroy Horn in any way. Horn will just not affect it in giving it the 800 boost. The drawing a card effect still applies since that bit does not directly affect the monster in any way.

I thought that if an equip card lost it's target, it would be destroyed right away. I guess not.

 

Also, the infinite loop only applies to the first time it happens, as only the "cards in your opponent's hand" applies to the activation.

[Miror B]

I thought that if an equip card lost it's target, it would be destroyed right away. I guess not.

Again, it did not "lose its target".

The target is still there. Being unaffected by spells does not make the target suddenly vanish.

"Losing its target" refers to if the monster is no longer the correct type of card to use (such as changing it from Beast to Spellcaster) or if the monster just outright isn't there anymore.

[Mysty]

so basicially. it gets destroyed, chateau tries to add it back, deck dev realises there's a 1500> monster, destroys it again, loop infinite?

 

I'm pretty sue Deck Dev only cares about monsters that are drawn after the initial activation.

[Zazubat]

I made a thread for this, but it was debunked, and I also realized that it wouldn't be able to afterwards.

[Resident Fascist]

 

I'm pretty sue Deck Dev only cares about monsters that are drawn after the initial activation.

 

ah. I see.

 

Not that this happened, I was just curious.

[.codex]

Scrap-Iron Scarecrow VS Lance? What happens? Is it the monster being affacted by Scarecrow, or is it you, the player?

[Zauls]

Scrap-Iron Scarecrow VS Lance? What happens? Is it the monster being affacted by Scarecrow, or is it you, the player?

 

I'm pretty sure the monster would be able to attack.

 

If something is summoned using Fire Formation - Tensu, can your opponent Solemn Warning the monster summoned?

[.codex]

I'm pretty sure the monster would be able to attack.

 

If something is summoned using Fire Formation - Tensu, can your opponent Solemn Warning the monster summoned?

Tensu is unlike something like Evilswarm Kerykeion, not an Ignition Effect (or Ignition-like as it's called on Spells/Traps) and is in fact an effect that stays while that card is face-up. In shorter terms, even if that wasn't the case, he would still be able to Solemn Warning it. No, actually that's wrong, I thought it also negated S/Ts which has activatiable effects, it doesn't.

[darkwolf777]

Wait. So for Stratos, do you have to declare which effect you're using on activation?

 

Yes.

 

Madolche Chateau is on the field. Madolche with lower than 1500ATK is in hand. Opponent flips over Deck Devestation Virus. What happens? Do Madolches shuffle back even when destroyed in the hand? Since it's technicially in your posession?

 

All Madolche's activate when destroyed by the opponent and sent to the Graveyard.    The "in your possession" is a clarify to show that it does not work when the card is on the opponent's side of the play field when it is destroyed (as regardless of who destroys it, the condition "destroyed by the opponent and sent to your graveyard" is never fully satisfied but most players never understood that).  If its your opponent's DDV and your Madolche (that's in your "possession"), then your Madolche's effect will activate in the Graveyard.

 

Pretty sure first printed Madolches need to be reprinted to state "Possession" instead of "Control", such as Puddincess.

 

 

so basicially. it gets destroyed, chateau tries to add it back, deck dev realises there's a 1500> monster, destroys it again, loop infinite?

 

Deck Devastation Virus only destroys cards on the hand and field once at activation.  Afterwards for the three turns, it only destroys cards that are DRAWN.  You do not draw the Madolche that gets added to your hand due to Madolche Chateau, and therefore it is not affected by Deck Devastation Virus.

 

Since I am running these, can I activate Vanity's Emptiness during the Damage Step, and what happens if a monster equipped with Horn of the Phantom Beast is targeted by something like Forbidden Lance?

 

You cannot activate Vanity's Emptiness during the Damage Step.

 

Nothing happens to Horn of the Phantom Beast when the monster it is targeting is negated.

 

 

Scrap-Iron Scarecrow VS Lance? What happens? Is it the monster being affacted by Scarecrow, or is it you, the player?

 

Scrap-Iron Scarecrow affects the monster.  The monster will be able to attack if its unaffected by Scrap-Iron Scarecrow.

 

 

If something is summoned using Fire Formation - Tensu, can your opponent Solemn Warning the monster summoned?

 

Fire Formation - Tensu's effect is a Continuous Effect.  You perform the additional Normal Summon like you would any other Normal Summon.  It can be negated by Solemn Warning. 

 

Codex, Solemn Warning is negating the monster's Normal Summon, not Tensu's effect.

[.codex]

Fire Formation - Tensu's effect is a Continuous Effect.  You perform the additional Normal Summon like you would any other Normal Summon.  It can be negated by Solemn Warning. 

 

Codex, Solemn Warning is negating the monster's Normal Summon, not Tensu's effect.

What made you think that I didn't know that it was negating the monster's Summon, not Tensu? Also, thanks for the thing about Scarecrow, I could have won a reallllly long game if I had known that :/

 

I got another question about Horn of the Phantom Beast. If that monster is used as an Xyz Material, will that card be sent to the Graveyard? I'm not good on how equip cards work really.

 

Also, is Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen an ignition effect? I cannot tell if it's an old card, of if that is just how it's written. EDIT: It says it's an ignition on the wikia, sorry for wasting your time. They need to rerelease that card soon.

[Zazubat]

At what point during the Damage Step is cards like Double or Nothing! applied?

[.codex]

Suppose I have a WIND Synchro Monster on the field, and I use Compulse on it, will Divine Mist activate, or does it actually have to go in the hand, not just says it does it?

[darkwolf777]

What made you think that I didn't know that it was negating the monster's Summon, not Tensu? Also, thanks for the thing about Scarecrow, I could have won a reallllly long game if I had known that :/

 

I got another question about Horn of the Phantom Beast. If that monster is used as an Xyz Material, will that card be sent to the Graveyard? I'm not good on how equip cards work really.

 

Also, is Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen an ignition effect? I cannot tell if it's an old card, of if that is just how it's written. EDIT: It says it's an ignition on the wikia, sorry for wasting your time. They need to rerelease that card soon.

 

Because from your response of "No, actually that's wrong, I thought it also negated S/Ts which has activatiable effects, it doesn't." it made it sound like you were trying to negate Tensu with Warning.

 

If the Equipped monster is removed from the field or is no longer a monster, any Equipped cards are sent to the Graveyard.  An Xyz Material is not a monster and is not on the field.  Horn goes to the Graveyard.

 

 

At what point during the Damage Step is cards like Double or Nothing! applied?

 

Its kinda written on the card.

 

"and if it does, its ATK is doubled during the Damage Step only."

 

At what point you ask?  The ENTIRE Damage Step its ATK will be doubled.

[Zazubat]

Because from your response of "No, actually that's wrong, I thought it also negated S/Ts which has activatiable effects, it doesn't." it made it sound like you were trying to negate Tensu with Warning.

 

If the Equipped monster is removed from the field or is no longer a monster, any Equipped cards are sent to the Graveyard.  An Xyz Material is not a monster and is not on the field.  Horn goes to the Graveyard.

 

 

 

Its kinda written on the card.

 

"and if it does, its ATK is doubled during the Damage Step only."

 

At what point you ask?  The ENTIRE Damage Step its ATK will be doubled.

because of things like Honest, that's the most simple reason, also just because I wanted to know it since other cards have it written like this.

[.codex]

Because from your response of "No, actually that's wrong, I thought it also negated S/Ts which has activatiable effects, it doesn't." it made it sound like you were trying to negate Tensu with Warning.

No, it was simply in case it activated, it doesn't, and Warning doesn't negate S/T later activateable effects. On that note, let's say there is such a Spell/Trap that can activate it's when you activate it. Can I chain Warning to it, even if my opponent doens't choose to Summon, could I still activate Warning at that time?

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Just confirming what I'm thinking (could be wrong)

 

Lets say My opp. SS Gishki Zielgigas & I evac it. They cant activate it's effect correct?

 

On the other hand, If I normal Madolche Magileine and they TT it, Magi's search still goes off correct?

[Zazubat]

Just confirming what I'm thinking (could be wrong)

 

Lets say My opp. SS Gishki Zielgigas & I evac it. They cant activate it's effect correct?

 

On the other hand, If I normal Madolche Magileine and they TT it, Magi's search still goes off correct?

Ziel's effect is an Ignition, if you don't respond to it's Summon, allowing your opponent to have priority, and your opponent chooses to activate it, it will still resolve properly.

 

If Summoning is the last thing to happen then yes it will. If it was Summoned by Ultimate Offering in the middle of a chain or something like that, it wouldn't as the last thing to happen is not it being destroyed by TT, but it's the thing Ultimate Offering Chained to resolving.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Ziel's effect is an Ignition, if you don't respond to it's Summon, allowing your opponent to have priority, and your opponent chooses to activate it, it will still resolve properly.

 

If Summoning is the last thing to happen then yes it will. If it was Summoned by Ultimate Offering in the middle of a chain or something like that, it wouldn't as the last thing to happen is not it being destroyed by TT, but it's the thing Ultimate Offering Chained to resolving.

That's not what I asked. I simply wanted a yes or no answer.

[Zazubat]

That's not what I asked. I simply wanted a yes or no answer.

I explained to you why so you don't have to waste your time asking the same question but with different cards. The short answers: Yes and yes.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

I explained to you why so you don't have to waste your time asking the same question but with different cards. The short answers: Yes and yes.

 

I know your English isn't the best so how about this. If some one asks a question start your answer with "Yes that would be correct" if they'r right or "No that would be incorrect". Then explain to them why either one is.

 

Cause, to be honest your answers were confusing. No offence of course.

[Zazubat]

I know your English isn't the best so how about this. If some one asks a question start your answer with "Yes that would be correct" if they'r right or "No that would be incorrect". Then explain to them why either one is.

 

Cause, to be honest your answers were confusing. No offence of course.

Well, I assume that you could make it out from what I explained, though I'll remember it next time. Now, what is it that you find confusing? I can reword it if you would like.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Well, I assume that you could make it out from what I explained, though I'll remember it next time. Now, what is it that you find confusing? I can reword it if you would like.

 

The 1st answer I could infer as being correct.

 

However, the way you worded the 2nd gave me the impression that I was wrong. More over it confused me due to you pointing out a different situation.

[Zazubat]

The 1st answer I could infer as being correct.

 

However, the way you worded the 2nd gave me the impression that I was wrong. More over it confused me due to you pointing out a different situation.

Alright, let's take out the Ultimate Offering part, which you didn't ask about, but I mentioned in case it would happen: When you Normal Summon a monster, if that monster has a Trigger effect, it will activate. If the monster is destroyed by something like Torrential Tribute, it will still activate (unless it says that it needs to be on the field to resolve), but if it's negate (Solemn Warning), then it would not get to activate it's effect.