Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Aix]

Can you give an example of what exactly you mean?

My Tekno monsters, say I activate Rocker's effect to return, and then, I chain "Tekno Chain Surprise" to Special Summon a monster from my hand, could I then activate Rocker's effect to destroy?

[Zazubat]

My Tekno monsters, say I activate Rocker's effect to return, and then, I chain "Tekno Chain Surprise" to Special Summon a monster from my hand, could I then activate Rocker's effect to destroy?

It looks like you would be able to with your cards, nothing that misses timing.

[Aix]

So what if I chain Call of the Haunted to bring back TKRO when my opponent uses Reinforcement of the Army?

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

So what if I chain Call of the Haunted to bring back TKRO when my opponent uses Reinforcement of the Army?

 

rota will resolve without effect.

[Zazubat]

I believe if you chose to attack directly first, you'd forgo your ability to attack the monsters.  You would not be able to attack directly after attacking one of the monsters either.

You say I believe here, does anyone else know this for sure? I'm gonna go by that it can't attack directly and monsters and vice versa for now anyway.

 

When I search for something in my Deck, is the last thing to have happened shuffling your Deck or adding the card to your hand?

[newhat]

Shuffling your Deck does not legally have a timing except for the card Card Shuffle. It is incidental. The last thing to happen is adding a card to your hand.

[Zazubat]

I am right in saying that you can use more Xyz Materials than you need right? So I could put 3 monsters on my Ophion for more Level 5 and higher protection right?

[darkwolf777]

I am right in saying that you can use more Xyz Materials than you need right? So I could put 3 monsters on my Ophion for more Level 5 and higher protection right?

 

You can only Xyz Ophion by using 2 monsters as written on the card.

 

 

You say I believe here, does anyone else know this for sure? I'm gonna go by that it can't attack directly and monsters and vice versa for now anyway.

 

 

 

I say "I believe" due to an old issue regarding Elemental Hero Wildedge but its been a long time since that happened and doesn't come up too often.

[Bringerofcake]

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but I want to be clear:

 

I activate Evo-Force, tributing Evoltile Najasho, and Special Summon Evolsaur Elias from my deck. Would the chain be Najasho-Elias? Or can I pick the order of the effects?

[Zazubat]

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but I want to be clear:

 

I activate Evo-Force, tributing Evoltile Najasho, and Special Summon Evolsaur Elias from my deck. Would the chain be Najasho-Elias? Or can I pick the order of the effects?

Najasho would create a new Chain after the Chain is finished.

 

So on Devpro it seems that the translation for Evilswarm Kerykeion is that you only gain that effect once per turn (As it is with Castor as well) which means that you can only gain 1 extra NS that turn, and sure enough that's how it works when playing too, but the translations on the Wikia simply uses "an addtiona Normal Summon" without the part talking about gaining stuff. So is it a mistranslation, or is the "gain" the real translation, and furthermore, is that even a thing? That if it doesn't say that you can gain another that it counts as something different that isn't an addtional gain? I have played like this for a while with these, nobody seems to complain when I play it like it that way, but it kind of confuses me.

[Bringerofcake]

Najasho would create a new Chain after the Chain is finished.

That's obvious, but Elias would activate at the same time. However, Elias is optional, while Najasho is mandatory. So would the chain be Najasho Link 1, Elias link 2? Or would SEGOC allow me to pick which effect is whichever link?

 

So on Devpro it seems that the translation for Evilswarm Kerykeion is that you only gain that effect once per turn (As it is with Castor as well) which means that you can only gain 1 extra NS that turn, and sure enough that's how it works when playing too, but the translations on the Wikia simply uses "an addtiona Normal Summon" without the part talking about gaining stuff. So is it a mistranslation, or is the "gain" the real translation, and furthermore, is that even a thing? That if it doesn't say that you can gain another that it counts as something different that isn't an addtional gain? I have played like this for a while with these, nobody seems to complain when I play it like it that way, but it kind of confuses me.

According to Wiki, the (you can only gain this effect once per turn) bit is referring to the ability to summon an "lswarm" monster with one less tribute. In theory, you can get as many normal summons as you have cards to gain them. When cards have that parenthetical, they mostly pertain to the monster's effect itself (for example, Ninishi) rather than the ability to do what the effect states (for example, Normal Summoning multiple times per turn). The reason you only get 1 extra Normal Summon per turn through Sombres/Kerykeion is because that effect is based on the first one, which can only be activated once per turn.

[Zazubat]

That's obvious, but Elias would activate at the same time. However, Elias is optional, while Najasho is mandatory. So would the chain be Najasho Link 1, Elias link 2? Or would SEGOC allow me to pick which effect is whichever link?

 

Mandatory effects always go first in the chain, regardless of SEGOC.

According to Wiki, the (you can only gain this effect once per turn) bit is referring to the ability to summon an "lswarm" monster with one less tribute. In theory, you can get as many normal summons as you have cards to gain them. When cards have that parenthetical, they mostly pertain to the monster's effect itself (for example, Ninishi) rather than the ability to do what the effect states (for example, Normal Summoning multiple times per turn). The reason you only get 1 extra Normal Summon per turn through Sombres/Kerykeion is because that effect is based on the first one, which can only be activated once per turn.

I still don't really think I understand that to be honest D:

[-Berserker-]

You say I believe here, does anyone else know this for sure? I'm gonna go by that it can't attack directly and monsters and vice versa for now anyway.

 

If I remember correctly, in World Championship games, a Shooting Star Bow-equipped Chimeratech Overdragon could attack directly and then attack the monsters.

[Avaren]

The games aren't always right.

For example,

In Decade Duels Plus you can use Blackwing Gale's effect and when he leaves the field the ATK/DEF change remains, Even though the ruling says it shouldn't.

[-Berserker-]

The games aren't always right.

For example,

In Decade Duels Plus you can use Blackwing Gale's effect and when he leaves the field the ATK/DEF change remains, Even though the ruling says it shouldn't.

Never heard of that rule. And that rule would make no sense.

[darkwolf777]

Najasho would create a new Chain after the Chain is finished.

 

So on Devpro it seems that the translation for Evilswarm Kerykeion is that you only gain that effect once per turn (As it is with Castor as well) which means that you can only gain 1 extra NS that turn, and sure enough that's how it works when playing too, but the translations on the Wikia simply uses "an addtiona Normal Summon" without the part talking about gaining stuff. So is it a mistranslation, or is the "gain" the real translation, and furthermore, is that even a thing? That if it doesn't say that you can gain another that it counts as something different that isn't an addtional gain? I have played like this for a while with these, nobody seems to complain when I play it like it that way, but it kind of confuses me.

 

Nothing from what I see in the Japanese text refers to "an additional Normal Summon". From the looks of it, its simply an Ignition Effect which grants you the Normal Summon (similar to Ultimate Offering).  The Normal Summon would occur at that Chain Link.

 

The Japanese text for Castor refers to "an additional Normal Summon". Kerykeion does not.

[Zazubat]

Nothing from what I see in the Japanese text refers to "an additional Normal Summon". From the looks of it, its simply an Ignition Effect which grants you the Normal Summon (similar to Ultimate Offering).  The Normal Summon would occur at that Chain Link.

 

The Japanese text for Castor refers to "an additional Normal Summon". Kerykeion does not.

As I said, the text Devpro used is (You can only gain this effect once per turn). I tried to use both Castor and this guy, but it wouldn't let me.

[darkwolf777]

As I said, the text Devpro used is (You can only gain this effect once per turn). I tried to use both Castor and this guy, but it wouldn't let me.

 

I don't know what Devpro is, whether it follows OCG or TCG, nor how official it is so telling me that means nothing to me.

 

Just going by the text, it plainly says (more or less) "In addition, you can activate this effect during the Main Phase of a turn you applied that effect.  Normal Summon 1 Verz monster".  It makes no reference to "as an additional summon" as OCG cards tend to say.

[Zazubat]

I don't know what Devpro is, whether it follows OCG or TCG, nor how official it is so telling me that means nothing to me.

It's a program that plays YGO. It uses some official code, so I assume it's right in some regards.

[darkwolf777]

Ok, official code from what?  You say "some official code", but is the code for these new cards official?  Is it something someone put in manually and put it in as they thought it would work with the base coding they do have and copied from other cards they find similar?  It really doesn't mean anything as is without more information, especially without knowing where this programming for newer cards is coming from.

 

I'm not really answering whether its right or wrong, but simply going on its Japanese wording and how its different from other cards in which that behavior is known for.

[Zazubat]

I keep hearing from people that it's suppose to be official, and people usually have no problems with it. Some people here in this thread use it at times to test rulings. Now, I don't know if it's the exact correct thing, I don't know much about it. If it is or not I can't tell you, so it might be wrong. I really don't know to be honest.

[Blake]

Not sure what Zaziuma's on about, but Kerykeion and Sombres work like Mahunder and Pahunder on devpro, which they should.

 

The only reason they only get it once per turn is because the salvaging effect is OPT.

[Zazubat]

Not sure what Zaziuma's on about, but Kerykeion and Sombres work like Mahunder and Pahunder on devpro, which they should.

 

The only reason they only get it once per turn is because the salvaging effect is OPT.

So, the whole "You can only gain this effect once per turn" is wrong on Kerykeion then, as other cards do not allow you to Normal Summon anything else with "You can only gain this effect once per turn" on them. That means that Devpro needs to fix this, because I was not allowed to Normal Summon after Castor and Kery.

[Blake]

... Do you even know how it works?

 

You have to ACTIVATE Kery for its Normal Summon.

[Zazubat]

... Do you even know how it works?

 

You have to ACTIVATE Kery for its Normal Summon.

I know that, and so I did, gaining back my monster for an Extra Normal, didn't allow me to Normal though.

 

EDIT: Oh, I see, you mean activating for the Normal Summon. I see that now, I didn't before. But, then why is the wording on it on (You can only gain this effect once per turn), when other cards with that don't EVER allow other Normals. Or is that wrong as well?