Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

Ok I need an explaination on Fiendish Chain

 

It negates the monster's effect while on the field, right?

 

So how does effects like Stardust's are able to override it?

 

Doesn't Chain not allow that monster to activate it's effect in the first place,

before that monster goes off the field?

It shouldn't. However, Skill Drain will, as it allows for cards to activate, which means it will send Stardust to the Graveyard, and it will resolve there, not on the field.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

It shouldn't. However, Skill Drain will, as it allows for cards to activate, which means it will send Stardust to the Graveyard, and it will resolve there, not on the field.

 

Hrmm..

My opponent had a Stardust on the field

I Chain it

Then I Mirror Force his attack from another monster

He Stardust my Mirror

 

How was Stardust able to activate it's effect when it's effect is already negated?

I still don't get the ruling on Chain..

It doesn't state that the effect can still be activated, like Skill Drain does.

[Zazubat]

Hrmm..

My opponent had a Stardust on the field

I Chain it

Then I Mirror Force his attack from another monster

He Stardust my Mirror

 

How was Stardust able to activate it's effect when it's effect is already negated?

I still don't get the ruling on Chain..

Is all that happening in 1 chain?

[Blake]

Stardust isn't on the field when it's effect resolves. Negated effects can still be activated, even if they won't properly resolve. If a card stopped by Chain or Skill Drain isn't on the field when it resolves, it isn't negated.

 

Note that Veiler, Breakthrough Skill, Debris Drgon, TGU, etc. Outright do NOT work like Chain or Drain.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

I did not know that effects can still be activated while they're negated by Chain.

 

And no, it didn't all happen in 1 chain.

Fiendish Chain his Stardust 2 turns before that.

[Zazubat]

Stardust isn't on the field when it's effect resolves. Negated effects can still be activated, even if they won't properly resolve. If a card stopped by Chain or Skill Drain isn't on the field when it resolves, it isn't negated.

 

Note that Veiler, Breakthrough Skill, Debris Drgon, TGU, etc. Outright do NOT work like Chain or Drain.

You seem to be right after searching a little, I thought that because it didn't mention that the monster could still activate it's effects, it simply couldn't, but yes it still can it seems.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

Am I able to Herald of Orange Light on Gorz's effect in the dmg step before Gorz is dropped to the field?

 

Not really sure on that. Dmg step ruling confuses me.

[Judαs]

Am I able to Herald of Orange Light on Gorz's effect in the dmg step before Gorz is dropped to the field?

 

Not really sure on that. Dmg step ruling confuses me.

The effects of "Herald of Orange Light", "Herald of Green Light", and "Herald of Purple Light" may be activated during the Damage Step. Each effect may also be activated during damage calculation during the Damage Step.^[3]

[Zazubat]

Am I able to Herald of Orange Light on Gorz's effect in the dmg step before Gorz is dropped to the field?

 

Not really sure on that. Dmg step ruling confuses me.

Yes you can. You can always activate cards which negate cards/effects during the Damage Step.

[Kyng's Old Account]

I thought this Question was stupid but it is eating me up:

 

Is Ignoble Knight of Black Laundsallyn able to Tribute itself for its own effect, or is it unable to do so?

[Miror B]

I thought this Question was stupid but it is eating me up:

 

Is Ignoble Knight of Black Laundsallyn able to Tribute itself for its own effect, or is it unable to do so?

ig"noble Knight" is indeed able to tribute itself.

[Zazubat]

Stardust isn't on the field when it's effect resolves. Negated effects can still be activated, even if they won't properly resolve. If a card stopped by Chain or Skill Drain isn't on the field when it resolves, it isn't negated.

 

Note that Veiler, Breakthrough Skill, Debris Drgon, TGU, etc. Outright do NOT work like Chain or Drain.

Hold on, do you mean that you could use Veiler and it's effects will be negated completely so it can't activate?

[Miror B]

Hold on, do you mean that you could use Veiler and it's effects will be negated completely so it can't activate?

No.

He's saying Veiler will still negate the effect regardless of the monster's physical location.

The difference with Fiendish Chain is that Fiendish Chain is a continuous card that has to continuously target the monster it's affecting, the minute it loses it's target is the minute it stops applying.

Basically, Fiendish Chain follows Skill Drain rulings.

Also, negation does not mean the card cannot activate. The only time a card effect cannot activate is when card text specifically says so, like Abyss Dweller.

[Zazubat]

No.

He's saying Veiler will still negate the effect regardless of the monster's physical location.

The difference with Fiendish Chain is that Fiendish Chain is a continuous card that has to continuously target the monster it's affecting, the minute it loses it's target is the minute it stops applying.

Basically, Fiendish Chain follows Skill Drain rulings.

Also, negation does not mean the card cannot activate. The only time a card effect cannot activate is when card text specifically says so, like Abyss Dweller.

But: If the targeted monster is no longer face-up on the field when Effect Veiler's effect resolves, the targeted monster's effect(s) will not be negated.

[Miror B]

But: If the targeted monster is no longer face-up on the field when Effect Veiler's effect resolves, the targeted monster's effect(s) will not be negated.

WHEN EFFECT VEILER RESOLVES.

I'm talking about after it's resolved and put it's condition on the monster.

For what you're seeing:

CL1: Caius trigger

CL2: Effect Veiler

CL3: Torrential Tribute

Resolve

CL3: Torrential destroyed all monsters including Caius

CL2: Veiler's target is not face up at this time so it fails to do anything

CL1: Caius resolves

This is what that ruling is talking about.

[Zazubat]

WHEN EFFECT VEILER RESOLVES.

I'm talking about after it's resolved and put it's condition on the monster.

For what you're seeing:

CL1: Caius trigger

CL2: Effect Veiler

CL3: Torrential Tribute

Resolve

CL3: Torrential destroyed all monsters including Caius

CL2: Veiler's target is not face up at this time so it fails to do anything

CL1: Caius resolves

This is what that ruling is talking about.

I misunderstood what it was talking about. So, if something Tributes itself, it will still negate? I'm confused I think.

[Miror B]

I misunderstood what it was talking about. So, if something Tributes itself, it will still negate? I'm confused I think.

For things like Veiler and Breakthrough skill, yes. All they care about is where the effect activates, which in Stardust's case is on the field.

[Bringerofcake]

If I've activated Overmind archfiend's effect, then banish it with Time Escaper, does Overmind still summon the banished monster after it's returned to the field and destroyed?

[evilfusion]

If I've activated Overmind archfiend's effect, then banish it with Time Escaper, does Overmind still summon the banished monster after it's returned to the field and destroyed?

 

According to Silent Psychic Wizard's ruling, yes, Overmind will still Summon the monster(s) you banished if Overmind is flipped facedown or temporarily banished. This seems mildly illogical to me.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

So if card effect activates in the dmg step, such as F. Lance

I could chain an effect that will negate it to that card effect, right?

Such as Dark Bribe.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

So if card effect activates in the dmg step, such as F. Lance

I could chain an effect that will negate it to that card effect, right?

Such as Dark Bribe.

If it's something like a counter trap, yes. Counter traps can always be activated in the damage step unless for some reason they specifically state otherwise. Certain continuous effects couldn't negate during the damage step, though for the most part they can.

[darkwolf777]

So if card effect activates in the dmg step, such as F. Lance

I could chain an effect that will negate it to that card effect, right?

Such as Dark Bribe.

 

Dark Bribe is a Counter Trap.  Counter Traps can be used at any time, including the Damage Step.

[Phantasy Dreamz]

If a continuous spell/trap activates to target a monster

and you lance your monster as a chain to that activation

does that mean that card's activation loses it's target

and it will no longer affect the monster after Lance wears off?

[darkwolf777]

If a continuous spell/trap activates to target a monster

and you lance your monster as a chain to that activation

does that mean that card's activation loses it's target

and it will no longer affect the monster after Lance wears off?

 

Targeting is not an effect.  Negating effects would not have any effect on knowing its target.  The Continuous Spell/Trap/whatever card will still target the card that is unaffected by its effects as well as if that Continuous Spell/Trap/whatever card were to be negated, it would still remember what it is targeting.

[Airride]

Remind me why Scattershot doesn't get the 500 Damage from being sent by Blaze Accelerator?

In regards to that, it still gets its effect when, say, milled, correct?