Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Zazubat]

So, what you're saying is that if I had 1 Synchro Tuner and this card, I would not be able to use it in my opponent's Main Phase as Synchro Material Monster?

[.:pyramid:.]

just to clarify i think its a cost but not 100% sure for hootcake

 

When this card in your possession is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect) and sent to your Graveyard: Shuffle this card into the Deck. You can target 1 monster in your Graveyard; banish that target, then Special Summon 1 "Madolche" monster from your Deck, except "Madolche Hootcake". You can only use this effect of "Madolche Hootcake" once per turn.

 

the way its worded it sounds like its all effect

[Zazubat]

just to clarify i think its a cost but not 100% sure for hootcake

 

When this card in your possession is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect) and sent to your Graveyard: Shuffle this card into the Deck. You can target 1 monster in your Graveyard; banish that target, then Special Summon 1 "Madolche" monster from your Deck, except "Madolche Hootcake". You can only use this effect of "Madolche Hootcake" once per turn.

 

the way its worded it sounds like its all effect

Is there anythig that triggers apon being banished for an effect? If there is, this is important, because this isn't a cost as it's after the semi-colon.

[.:pyramid:.]

Is there anythig that triggers apon being banished for an effect? If there is, this is important, because this isn't a cost as it's after the semi-colon.

so the cost is targeting the grave?

[Zazubat]

so the cost is targeting the grave?

Just because there's a colon doesn't mean it's always a cost, it can also be for targeting.

[newhat]

So, what you're saying is that if I had 1 Synchro Tuner and this card, I would not be able to use it in my opponent's Main Phase as Synchro Material Monster?

In general, you can't Synchro with only Formula Synchron and a Tuner because basically no monsters can use those cards as Material.

[Zazubat]

In general, you can't Synchro with only Formula Synchron and a Tuner because basically no monsters can use those cards as Material.

So, what you're saying is that the "as a Synchro Material Monster", which normally means that it's now a non-Tuner, actually means that it's a Tuner and that I would need another Synchro that isn't a Tuner, and not that Formula isn't a Tuner and that I would need another monster that is a Tuner?

 

Also, got a question: If I attack and destroy something with Kuick, and use it's eff to SS Nishipachi, will it trigger? I have the feeling that no, since I think we're still in the Damage Step, but also I got a feeling that if it's the last thing to happen, it will in fact go off as you are leaving the Damage Step and going out to the Battle Step again. Though is this wrong?

[Mysty]

So, what you're saying is that the "as a Synchro Material Monster", which normally means that it's now a non-Tuner, actually means that it's a Tuner and that I would need another Synchro that isn't a Tuner, and not that Formula isn't a Tuner and that I would need another monster that is a Tuner?

 

Also, got a question: If I attack and destroy something with Kuick, and use it's eff to SS Nishipachi, will it trigger? I have the feeling that no, since I think we're still in the Damage Step, but also I got a feeling that if it's the last thing to happen, it will in fact go off as you are leaving the Damage Step and going out to the Battle Step again. Though is this wrong?

 

Any monster used in the symchro summon is a Synchro Material Monster, whether it is Tuner or non-Tuner. What its ability is saying that you can perform a Synchro Summon during the opponent's turn providing it's the Tuner for the Summon.

 

Nishipachi is mandatory, so it will activate.

[evilfusion]

Synchro Material is a term that includes Tuners and/or non-Tuners. What is legal to use as Synchro Material for a Synchro Summon is based on the Materials listed on the Synchro Monster Card. Formula Synchron must use itself in the Synchro Summon by its effect.

 

Formula Synchron is a Tuner. It cannot be used as a non-Tuner Synchro Material because it's not a non-Tuner. Likewise, non-Tuners cannot be used as Tuner monsters. Unless the Synchro Monster permits multiple Tuners (Red Nova Dragon, XX-Saber Gottoms), the other Materials must be non-Tuners.

 

So, what you're saying is that the "as a Synchro Material Monster", which normally means that it's now a non-Tuner, actually means that it's a Tuner and that I would need another Synchro that isn't a Tuner, and not that Formula isn't a Tuner and that I would need another monster that is a Tuner?
 

Also, got a question: If I attack and destroy something with Kuick, and use it's eff to SS Nishipachi, will it trigger? I have the feeling that no, since I think we're still in the Damage Step, but also I got a feeling that if it's the last thing to happen, it will in fact go off as you are leaving the Damage Step and going out to the Battle Step again. Though is this wrong?

 

Trigger Effects may activate when a monster is Summoned during the Damage Step, such as Stratos or Nishipachi.

[Zazubat]

 

Any monster used in the symchro summon is a Synchro Material Monster, whether it is Tuner or non-Tuner. What its ability is saying that you can perform a Synchro Summon during the opponent's turn providing it's the Tuner for the Summon.

 

Nishipachi is mandatory, so it will activate.

I think there's a Tuner that say it can be used as Synchro Material Monster as well, what does this then mean?

 

But it's Spell Speed 1. Spell Speed 1 isn't allowed in the Damage Step, unless, as I was thinking would make sense, is the last thing to happen and you would then go out of the Damage Step and back into the Battle Step

[Miror B]

So, what you're saying is that the "as a Synchro Material Monster", which normally means that it's now a non-Tuner, actually means that it's a Tuner and that I would need another Synchro that isn't a Tuner, and not that Formula isn't a Tuner and that I would need another monster that is a Tuner?

 

Also, got a question: If I attack and destroy something with Kuick, and use it's eff to SS Nishipachi, will it trigger? I have the feeling that no, since I think we're still in the Damage Step, but also I got a feeling that if it's the last thing to happen, it will in fact go off as you are leaving the Damage Step and going out to the Battle Step again. Though is this wrong?

Tuners are Synchro Material Monsters.

All cards used for a Synchro Summon are Synchro Material monsters.

If you use Junk Synchron and Ryko for a Synchro Summon both are Synchro Material Monsters.

Synchro Material Monster has nothing to do with wether the monster is a tuner or non-tuner.

 

 

But it's Spell Speed 1. Spell Speed 1 isn't allowed in the Damage Step, unless, as I was thinking would make sense, is the last thing to happen and you would then go out of the Damage Step and back into the Battle Step

Trigger effects can activate in the Damage Step unless they say otherwise, so long as their trigger was met and they don't have old text with bkss rulings.

[Zazubat]

Trigger effects can activate in the Damage Step unless they say otherwise, so long as their trigger was met and they don't have old text with bkss rulings.

I read the Damage Step thing, and I didn't encounter that. Can you point me to where the ruling is so I can read in more detail?

[Miror B]

I read the Damage Step thing, and I didn't encounter that. Can you point me to where the ruling is so I can read in more detail?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step

Third bullet point.

Should've added mandatory ones. Optional ones that don't specify damage step or anything in the damage step don't work.

[Zazubat]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Step

Third bullet point.

Should've added mandatory ones. Optional ones that don't specify damage step or anything in the damage step don't work.

Must have totally skipped over this, maybe because of the very little detail, it's just yup Mandatory effect. Anyways, I still want to know, is it's effect considered to happen in the Damate Step, or when it's Summoned, would it be after the Damage Step?

[evilfusion]

If a Tuner says it can be used as Synchro Material, it still only counts as the Tuner part of the recipe.

 

Again, the term Synchro Material means the monsters that are used to perform a Synchro Summon. As a rule, all Synchro Summons require a Tuner monster. MOST Synchro Summons require the other Materials to be non-Tuners (Gottoms is the only one off-hand that does not specifically say the other Materials must be non-Tuners)

 

Look at the Synchro Monster Card you wish to Summon. The Materials are listed, usually saying "1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner" or similar. If the requirements read in this fashion, they are not interchangeable. Non-Tuners cannot take the place of Tuners, and Tuners cannot take the place of Tuners.

 

Phantom Lord Hide Ride does count as an exception. It's a Tuner, but its text says it can be used as a non-Tuner. If you do this, however, you still require a Tuner among the other Materials. Synchro Summons cannot occur without a Tuner. There's a ruling with Majestic Star Dragon that if a card treated as Majestic Dragon is not a Tuner, but Stardust Dragon is being treated as a Tuner, you can still perform the Synchro Summon, since Majestic Star doesn't say which of the specifically named Materials must be a Tuner.

[Zazubat]

If a Tuner says it can be used as Synchro Material, it still only counts as the Tuner part of the recipe.

 

Again, the term Synchro Material means the monsters that are used to perform a Synchro Summon. As a rule, all Synchro Summons require a Tuner monster. MOST Synchro Summons require the other Materials to be non-Tuners (Gottoms is the only one off-hand that does not specifically say the other Materials must be non-Tuners)

 

Look at the Synchro Monster Card you wish to Summon. The Materials are listed, usually saying "1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner" or similar. If the requirements read in this fashion, they are not interchangeable. Non-Tuners cannot take the place of Tuners, and Tuners cannot take the place of Tuners.

 

Phantom Lord Hide Ride does count as an exception. It's a Tuner, but its text says it can be used as a non-Tuner. If you do this, however, you still require a Tuner among the other Materials. Synchro Summons cannot occur without a Tuner. There's a ruling with Majestic Star Dragon that if a card treated as Majestic Dragon is not a Tuner, but Stardust Dragon is being treated as a Tuner, you can still perform the Synchro Summon, since Majestic Star doesn't say which of the specifically named Materials must be a Tuner.

oh, yes that was the card I was thinking about, I thought it said "as a Synchro Material Monster". I knew that you needed the specific things and such, and that a Synchro Material Monster is still what it is, Tuner or non-Tuner, but I thought I remembered it to say that. Makes more sense now. In this case, that means that my opponent would be wrong since he can only use it as a Tuner.

[Miror B]

Must have totally skipped over this, maybe because of the very little detail, it's just yup Mandatory effect. Anyways, I still want to know, is it's effect considered to happen in the Damate Step, or when it's Summoned, would it be after the Damage Step?

It's activating in the Damage Step.

[Zazubat]

It's activating in the Damage Step.

So, even if something is the very last thing to happen, after the current chain as resolved, it's still in the Damage Step? Note taken.

[evilfusion]

The Damage Step is broken into several substeps, which determine when the Damage Step has ended. Cards like Hero Signal, which activate when a monster was destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, are still within the Damage Step.

[Zazubat]

I was just thinking that since the eff of it is after it's summoned that it would have changed back into the Battle Step, though thats probably not how it works, and regardless, it wouldnt matter since its eff is able to be activated at this time.

[Zazubat]

So, it seems that destroying your Field to place another makes the Field miss the timing. Correct? Also, Ancient Fairy Dragon wouldn't cause it to miss the timing since destroying and adding happens at the same time right?

[Miror B]

So, it seems that destroying your Field to place another makes the Field miss the timing. Correct? Also, Ancient Fairy Dragon wouldn't cause it to miss the timing since destroying and adding happens at the same time right?

Destroying your field to ACTIVATE another causes missed timing. Setting doesn't.

About Ancient Fairy iirc the field adding is not simultaneous and does cause missed timing.

[Zazubat]

Destroying your field to ACTIVATE another causes missed timing. Setting doesn't.

About Ancient Fairy iirc the field adding is not simultaneous and does cause missed timing.

it says "if you do", but it's old so I dunno.

And that's helpful, that means that I can set it, and activate it. Doesn't Ancient Gear do this, now when I remember correctly?

[darkwolf777]

As its ruled, Ancient Fairy Dragon destroys Field Spell Cards and increases Life Points simultaneously.  If you choose to add a Field Spell Card, then it would cause cards to miss the timing.  If you do not, then the destruction of the Field Spell and Life Points would be the last thing to occur.

[Zazubat]

As its ruled, Ancient Fairy Dragon destroys Field Spell Cards and increases Life Points simultaneously.  If you choose to add a Field Spell Card, then it would cause cards to miss the timing.  If you do not, then the destruction of the Field Spell and Life Points would be the last thing to occur.

So in reality, the "if you do" is actually "then". Thanks Konami, I hope they will re-realease this card, and any other card that says the same. Well at least I can still choose to destroy it and choose not to add if I want my destroy effect.