Zazubat Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 The only justification I can think of, other than a blatant glitch, is if Crimson Blader destroyed a monster last turn, thus preventing you from Special Summoning monsters of Level 5 and up during that turn. You would be considered the player Special Summoning Crimson Blader, but you can't.Makes sense. About that, if I control my opponent's monster and when that monster is destroyed and has a Special Summon thinger, will it activate for me or for my opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Makes sense. About that, if I control my opponent's monster and when that monster is destroyed and has a Special Summon thinger, will it activate for me or for my opponent? That will depend on the wording and where the effect activates. If it says "When this card is destroyed: Draw 1 card" (such as the T.G. Synchros), if it was destroyed by battle, its effect will activate on the Field (despite being considered dead) and the controller will draw 1. But if it was destroyed by a card effect, it will be sent to the Graveyard and activate from the Graveyard. Its owner will draw 1. Most such effects say "When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard: ...do whatever" Those effects activate from the Graveyard and the card's owner will activate the effect, because it's their Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 This is about Custom Cards. If I make a card called, let's say "Indestructible Man", now Indestructible Man's effect is: "If another 'Indestructible Man' you control would be destroyed, you can change this card to Defense Position instead." So if I had two Attack Position Indestructible Men and activated Dark Hole, could they save each other? If that doesn't work, then, it should as a Trigger Effect, right? "If another 'Indestructible Man' you control would be destroyed: You can change this card to Defense Position; that card is not destroyed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm quite sure that it's impossible for that kind of effect to be a Continous Effect as it applies to when a condition is met. In any case, you would be able to word use both I'm quite sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm quite sure that it's impossible for that kind of effect to be a Continous Effect as it applies to when a condition is met. In any case, you would be able to word use both I'm quite sure.I'm basing it off of Maestroke. Maestroke's destruction immunity is Continuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm quite sure that it's impossible for that kind of effect to be a Continous Effect as it applies to when a condition is met. In any case, you would be able to word use both I'm quite sure.It's the same kind of effect as the Six Samurais or Zenmaines.And by the wording yes you can use both to save each from Dark Hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. guy Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Your opponent uses a destruction card like "Raigeki break" on "Scrap shark". Do you get to send 1 "Scrap" monster from your deck to the graveyard, or would scrap shark not trigger since it's no longer on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Your opponent uses a destruction card like "Raigeki break" on "Scrap shark". Do you get to send 1 "Scrap" monster from your deck to the graveyard, or would scrap shark not trigger since it's no longer on the field? Scrap Shark will be destroyed by Raigeki Break's effect, not its own. As such, it was not destroyed by a "Scrap" card, so it will not activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Your opponent uses a destruction card like "Raigeki break" on "Scrap shark". Do you get to send 1 "Scrap" monster from your deck to the graveyard, or would scrap shark not trigger since it's no longer on the field?I'm kind of confused, what are you asking here? Scrap will destroy itself and then send a card to the grave. That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm kind of confused, what are you asking here? Scrap will destroy itself and then send a card to the grave. That's about it. Scrap Shark is like Reaper. It destroys itself when the activated card has finished resolving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Scrap Shark is like Reaper. It destroys itself when the activated card has finished resolving.I do not understand the reason behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I do not understand the reason behind this. It's a Continuous Effect, not a Quick Effect. Trigger Effects and Continuous Effects that apply when a card is activated will activate after resolution. Only Quick Effects like Light and Darkness Dragon, Stardust Dragon, or Evilswarm Thunderbird will react directly in response to the activated card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Problem-solving text does not solve this problem then :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Problem-solving text does not solve this problem then :( I checked Spirit Reaper, which had its text updated in Legendary Collection 3. "After resolving a card effect that targets this faceup card, destroy this card." Scrap Shark would be written similarly under PSCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I checked Spirit Reaper, which had its text updated in Legendary Collection 3. "After resolving a card effect that targets this faceup card, destroy this card." Scrap Shark would be written similarly under PSCT. That makes it a lot easier to understand then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Pyro Clock of Destiny question: If Final Countdown is at 19, and I activate it, do I immediately win when it resolves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 There seems to be no rule stating as such, but it does say that it's before the Draw Phase, so I assume that Alt Wins take place as soon as it happens, like Exodia does. Since I think it's worth also putting here, even though most people online seem to say the same thing, Bahamut Shark, can activate it's effect after it has attacked? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Here's one. Is the "During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand." part of the Elemental Dragons an effect or a condition? It should be an effect and if it is, can I negate it with Tiger King so my E-Dragon stays on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Since I think it's worth also putting here, even though most people online seem to say the same thing, Bahamut Shark, can activate it's effect after it has attacked? Yes or no? Yes. It is not like Chaos Sorcerer. Here's one. Is the "During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand." part of the Elemental Dragons an effect or a condition? It should be an effect and if it is, can I negate it with Tiger King so my E-Dragon stays on the field? It is an effect, hence the colon [:]. Tiger King can stop it. It will still activate (to no effect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Then my God Control deck is going to be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 If the name of a card is changed, does the "Only once per turn" thing apply, asking for any kind of situation here, as I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 If the name of a card is changed, does the "Only once per turn" thing apply, asking for any kind of situation here, as I don't know.You would still be activating -that effect- more than once per turn if you tried to activate it. If you're saying an effect that says "the effect of _____ once per turn", then the majority ruling is that you still can't use the effect a second time, even if the name is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Pyro Clock of Destiny question: If Final Countdown is at 19, and I activate it, do I immediately win when it resolves? yes. alt wins are checked in between chain links. as long as pyro clock resolves successfully and advances you to the winning turn, you will win, even if pyro clock is chain link 2 or higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 yes. alt wins are checked in between chain links. as long as pyro clock resolves successfully and advances you to the winning turn, you will win, even if pyro clock is chain link 2 or higher Ah, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Is there a difference between "when" mandatory triggers and "if" mandatory triggers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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