Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings Questions

[Dementuo]

That's what I thought, though DN told me wrong, but I was like, but it's a cost. Also, Infection doesn't target, not sure if that really matters or not, but just wanted to let you know.

He was speaking in a hypothetical situation in which Infection did target.

[darkwolf777]

Whether the hypothetical targeted the "lswarm" or didn't by selecting it during resolution would not make a difference to the answer.

[Zazubat]

He was speaking in a hypothetical situation in which Infection did target.

I actually don't think he meant that, as I don't think it has any effect on it at all. The reason behind his hypothetical scenario was to make the shuffling an effect. Unless I'm wrong about this all together.

Whether the hypothetical targeted or didn't would not make a difference to the answer.

Yup I was right.

[Dementuo]

I actually don't think he meant that, as I don't think it has any effect on it at all. The reason behind his hypothetical scenario was to make the shuffling an effect. Unless I'm wrong about this all together.

Now I'm confused. You felt the need to say that Infection doesn't target, where the only time that it had been said that Infection targeted was during darkwolf's hypothetical situation.

[Zazubat]

Now I'm confused. You felt the need to say that Infection doesn't target, where the only time that it had been said that Infection targeted was during darkwolf's hypothetical situation.

Because I was unaware if it meant anything or not, but it really shouldn't as I explained he meant for the hypothetical situation to be about the effect not the target. In any case, the whole question is still "Can I return a card or not"? Not some dream up scenario where cards do something different and target.

[darkwolf777]

I actually don't think he meant that, as I don't think it has any effect on it at all.

 

I did mean that, and what do you mean by "I don't think it has any effect on it at all?"  Infection's effect is to add an "lswarm" to your hand.  The cost is to shuffle an "lswarm" back into the Deck.  The only thing the hypothetical case said was to turn the cost into an effect, in which case, the natural way to do so would be to turn that cost into something that targets the "lswarm" and the effect to shuffle it into the Deck.

 

The point of the hypothetical scenario was to give you another answer as to how it would work if it weren't a cost, in the event a similar effect comes up in the future where a monster that's "unaffected by effects" becomes targeted or an effect with multiple parts would try to affect it.

[Zazubat]

I did mean that, and what do you mean by "I don't think it has any effect on it at all?"  Infection's effect is to add an "lswarm" to your hand.  The cost is to shuffle an "lswarm" back into the Deck.  The only thing the hypothetical case said was to turn the cost into an effect, in which case, the natural way to do so would be to turn that cost into something that targets the "lswarm" and the effect to shuffle it into the Deck.

 

The point of the hypothetical scenario was to give you another answer as to how it would work if it weren't a cost, in the event a similar effect comes up in the future where a monster that's "unaffected by effects" becomes targeted or an effect with multiple parts would try to affect it.

I didn't put that much thought into it myself haha. Well in any case, my question has been answered properly, so thank you.

 

EDIT: I got a question in regard to my custom card:

During either player’s Main Phase: You can pay 1500 Life Points to Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, you can target 1 monster your opponent controsl; send this card and that card to the Graveyard during your End Phase. This card must be face-up to activate and resolve this effect.

 

If my opponent's card was to be face-down would it still be able to resolve? Or does it have to be face-up to be a valid target, or is it still a valid target even though it's face-up?

[Zazubat]

More questions keeps poping up, but nobody is answering! Gosh!

On the wikia, I saw this on Triple Star Trion: Use two of these cards to Tribute Summon "Yubel", then revive them with their own effect and Tribute one to keep "Yubel" on the Field.

But that's not possible right? Yubel's effect is mandatory, meaning that it needs to go first. Is this correct? If not, then this tip is just false.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If it really couldn't be used later during your End Phase then you couldn't use Samsara Lotus with it, which was designed for it.

[Zazubat]

If it really couldn't be used whenever you wanted during your End Phase then you couldn't use Samsara Lotus with it, which was designed for it.

That card is also an opitional trigger. Mandatory goes first, your opponents mandator, optional, your opponent's optional triggers

 

Also, if anybody could be nice to answer the question above my Yubel question thanks!

[Mysty]

That card is also an opitional trigger. Mandatory goes first, your opponents mandator, optional, your opponent's optional triggers

 

Also, if anybody could be nice to answer the question above my Yubel question thanks!

 

That's the case with Trigger effect chains.

 

Multiple "During the [blank] Phase" effects don't form the chain together and can be activated whenever during that phase.

 

EDIT: Oh, right, answering the Trion question. You can indeed bring them back and then Tribute 1 for Yubel.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Samsara Lotus and Triple Star Trion both are optional effects that activate in the End Phase, and it's proven you can use Samsara Lotus for Yubel, so why couldn't you do it with Triple Star Trion? Mandatory effects activate first within chains, but remember that chains resolve backwards, meaning that they resolve last.

 

I can't rightfully answer your other question because I can't decipher if it's one of those effects that locks the target or not, so someone with better OCG knowledge would have to answer it.

[Zazubat]

Samsara Lotus and Triple Star Trion both are optional effects that activate in the End Phase, and it's proven you can use Samsara Lotus for Yubel, so why couldn't you do it with Triple Star Trion? Mandatory effects activate first within chains, but remember that chains resolve backwards, meaning that they resolve last.

 

I can't rightfully answer your other question because I can't decipher if it's one of those effects that locks the target or not, so someone with better OCG knowledge would have to answer it.

Oh yeah, it does resolve backwards, why do I forget something like that, makes a lot more sense now.

 

And I don't really understand what you mean by "locks" the target, explain what you're talking about here.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

That's not an official term or even one people actually use to describe it usually, it's just me basically saying if the card memorizes what it's affecting or not, which some cards can do, but for the most part cards that target cannot.

 

Also, I was a bit stupid in my first answer, I will admit, but my answer at least was correct, and my second post made sense. lol

[Zazubat]

That's not an official term or even one people actually use to describe it usually, it's just me basically saying if the card memorizes what it's affecting or not, which some cards can do, but for the most part cards that target cannot.

 

Also, I was a bit stupid in my first answer, I will admit, but my answer at least was correct, and my second post made sense. lol

Well, I don't really get the intuition that you know why some do this, only that a few do it because their Rulings say so.

[darkwolf777]

More questions keeps poping up, but nobody is answering! Gosh!

On the wikia, I saw this on Triple Star Trion: Use two of these cards to Tribute Summon "Yubel", then revive them with their own effect and Tribute one to keep "Yubel" on the Field.

But that's not possible right? Yubel's effect is mandatory, meaning that it needs to go first. Is this correct? If not, then this tip is just false.

 

Effects which activate during a period of time, not a specific point in time, do not have an order to which they would need activated.  If there are multiple trigger effects that activate during the Standby/End Phase/End Step of Battle Phase, these do not chain together.  Each would activate in individual chains in the order its controller chooses. 

 

You could choose to activate Yubel's effect first, or you could activate any other effect first, then activate Yubel's effect later during the End Phase.  Being mandatory in this case means you cannot end your End Phase until you activate this effect.

[Zazubat]

Effects which activate during a period of time, not a specific point in time, do not have an order to which they would need activated.  If there are multiple trigger effects that activate during the Standby/End Phase/End Step of Battle Phase, these do not chain together.  Each would activate in individual chains in the order its controller chooses. 

 

You could choose to activate Yubel's effect first, or you could activate any other effect first, then activate Yubel's effect later during the End Phase.  Being mandatory in this case means you cannot end your End Phase until you activate this effect.

Alright then, I remember reading this about Glad Beasts, but was confused as to why, now this explains it. Though I am confused about the difference between period and point in time. Do you mean that some Phases don't have this?

 

Could you possibly answer my question about my custom card?

EDIT: I got a question in regard to my custom card:

During either player’s Main Phase: You can pay 1500 Life Points to Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, you can target 1 monster your opponent controsl; send this card and that card to the Graveyard during your End Phase. This card must be face-up to activate and resolve this effect.

 

If my opponent's card was to be face-down would it still be able to resolve? Or does it have to be face-up to be a valid target, or is it still a valid target even though it's face-up?

[Cobalt2]

If you Special Summon D.D. Esper Star Sparrow by it's effect and overlay with it next turn, will it be banished, hence it left the field?

[Zazubat]

If you Special Summon D.D. Esper Star Sparrow by it's effect and overlay with it next turn, will it be banished, hence it left the field?

No, monsters that were flipped face-up or return to your Deck (maybe hand I don't remember) or used as Xyz Materials won't fall into those conditions. Also Xyz Materials don't "leave the field".

[darkwolf777]

Alright then, I remember reading this about Glad Beasts, but was confused as to why, now this explains it. Though I am confused about the difference between period and point in time. Do you mean that some Phases don't have this?

 

Could you possibly answer my question about my custom card?

 

The trigger effect has to be a period of time to apply for what I'm talking about, such as "During the End Phase".  It isn't just a single moment in time like "When a monster is Summoned", but a period of time that continues until that Phase ends.  "During the Main Phase" does not count since those tend to be Ignition Effects rather than Trigger Effects.

 

As for your question, you can already target face-up and face-down monsters because it does not specify.  If a monster was face-up and was then flipped face-down, it would not be sent to the Graveyard.  Since the effect does not specify the target in question, your monster would still be sent to the Graveyard even if the opponent's monster does not.

[Zazubat]

The trigger effect has to be a period of time to apply for what I'm talking about, such as "During the End Phase".  It isn't just a single moment in time like "When a monster is Summoned", but a period of time that continues until that Phase ends.  "During the Main Phase" does not count since those tend to be Ignition Effects rather than Trigger Effects.

 

As for your question, you can already target face-up and face-down monsters because it does not specify.  If a monster was face-up and was then flipped face-down, it would not be sent to the Graveyard.  Since the effect does not specify the target in question, your monster would still be sent to the Graveyard even if the opponent's monster does not.

Okay, what if a Trigger Effect says "When a monster is Special Summoned during your Main Phase" would that make it work the same as other Phases, or does simply having "When a monster is Special Summoned" make it not work that way?

 

So if it still said target afterwards,it sends that monster to the Graveyard even if it was face-down, is that correct?

[darkwolf777]

Okay, what if a Trigger Effect says "When a monster is Special Summoned during your Main Phase" would that make it work the same as other Phases, or does simply having "When a monster is Special Summoned" make it not work that way?

 

So if it still said target afterwards,it sends that monster to the Graveyard even if it was face-down, is that correct?

 

The specified point in time is "When a monster is Special Summoned"  You can't activate it any time during your Main Phase, but only when a monster is Special Summoned.

 

As I mentioned, the specific phases where this happens is the Standby Phase, the End Step of the Battle Phase, and the End Phase.  The Main Phase does not work this way, and even if you simply said "During your Main Phase" with nothing else, it will be considered an Ignition Effect.

[Zazubat]

The specified point in time is "When a monster is Special Summoned"  You can't activate it any time during your Main Phase, but only when a monster is Special Summoned.

 

As I mentioned, the specific phases where this happens is the Standby Phase, the End Step of the Battle Phase, and the End Phase.  The Main Phase does not work this way, and even if you simply said "During your Main Phase" with nothing else, it will be considered an Ignition Effect.

Alright, I think I get it now. Could you answer my second question in my last post?

 

EDIT:

If a monster's name is changed after "Where Arf Thou?" is activated, will I take 2000 damage?

[evilfusion]

Alright, I think I get it now. Could you answer my second question in my last post?

 

EDIT:

If a monster's name is changed after "Where Arf Thou?" is activated, will I take 2000 damage?

 

If the name was changed after you Normal Summoned it, you still won't take damage because you successfully Summoned a monster with the same name as the added card.

 

Hypothetically, if you added a card similar to Proto-Cyber Dragon or Harpie Queen, and Summoned them, their names are considered "Cyber Dragon" and "Harpie Lady", respectively, and I suppose that wouldn't count as Summoning a monster with the added name. I assume this based on the fact cards like Harpie's Hunting Ground will activate for Harpie Queen, because its name was correct at the time of Summoning. The inverse would logically be true, and that its name is NOT correct for Where Arf.

[Zazubat]

If the name was changed after you Normal Summoned it, you still won't take damage because you successfully Summoned a monster with the same name as the added card.

 

Hypothetically, if you added a card similar to Proto-Cyber Dragon or Harpie Queen, and Summoned them, their names are considered "Cyber Dragon" and "Harpie Lady", respectively, and I suppose that wouldn't count as Summoning a monster with the added name. I assume this based on the fact cards like Harpie's Hunting Ground will activate for Harpie Queen, because its name was correct at the time of Summoning. The inverse would logically be true, and that its name is NOT correct for Where Arf.

I don't know if such card excists, but let's say I have a Trap that changes names, could I use that and changes it's name to something else, and it would not be valid anymore? Or is that not how it works.