Zazubat Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Conditions do not activate. Effects can leave a condition after their activation and resolution. But conditions do not activate. Birdy has no second trigger effect. It has a condition that was left by the first effect. All of the effects of the Elemental Dragons activate. Thus only 1 can activate per turn and can only be used once per turn. 2 Elemental Dragons on the field will not both return to the hand.But, I don't understand, returning is not an effect, it's simply a condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 But, I don't understand, returning is not an effect, it's simply a condition.Thunderbird has a condition to return to the field. Incarnate Dragons do not have a condition to return to the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Thunderbird has a condition to return to the field. Incarnate Dragons do not have a condition to return to the hand.I don't quite think I understand the difference in this. I am completely lost right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't think it's a condition because it's worded differently to Abyss-Sphere and Thunderbird, which are, therefore I think one would stay out, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't quite think I understand the difference in this. I am completely lost right now.If a line of text has a colon ":" in it, then it is an effect that activates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't think it's a condition because it's worded differently to Abyss-Sphere and Thunderbird, which are, therefore I think one would stay out, yes.There's no official TCG version yet is there? It could be different in there. I also am starting to see why it's different. Is it because it starts a chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 There's no official TCG version yet is there? It could be different in there. I also am starting to see why it's different. Is it because it starts a chain?That's exactly why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 There's no official TCG version yet is there? It could be different in there. I also am starting to see why it's different. Is it because it starts a chain? Basically some cards have card conditions that have to happen above all other restrictions, for example Abyss-Sphere will kill itself even if Decree is out and you can never use Quickdraw Synchron to make a non-Synchron Tuner even if Skill Drain is active. Blaster's self-bounce is not a condition the way I see it therefore it is affected by the condition that you can only use one effect once per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 That's exactly why.I still would think that it should work like a condition, but I guess I have been proven wrong. It's confusing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't quite think I understand the difference in this. I am completely lost right now.Didn't we teach you abut PSCT yet?If the effect has a colon or semi-colon, it activates. No discussion.If an effect activates, it is not a condition. I can PLACE a condition, but the effect itself is not (EG Thunderbird banishing itself is an activating effect that places the condition to return itself to the field later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Didn't we teach you abut PSCT yet? If the effect has a colon or semi-colon, it activates. No discussion. If an effect activates, it is not a condition. I can PLACE a condition, but the effect itself is not (EG Thunderbird banishing itself is an activating effect that places the condition to return itself to the field later)I simply thought there were conditions that activated, which is why I was let to believe that it would still return both. And I do know PSCT, christ I have read about it more than I ever wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I simply thought there were conditions that activated, which is why I was let to believe that it would still return both. And I do know PSCT, christ I have read about it more than I ever wanted to.Well then know that if it activates, it is not a condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 OK THEN Let's say I control Meltiel, Sage of the Skies and Sanctuary in the Sky.My opponent activates Tenki, searches Chicken, Summons it, and chowders Tenki for a Tensu from the Deck.My opponent attempts to Normal Summon Bear as a second Normal Summon.I activate Solemn Warning. My opponent negates the activation of Solemn Warning with Solemn Judgment.When Solemn Judgment resolves, I have Meltiel destroy Tensu. Is the Summon of Bear continued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 OK THEN Let's say I control Meltiel, Sage of the Skies and Sanctuary in the Sky.My opponent activates Tenki, searches Chicken, Summons it, and chowders Tenki for a Tensu from the Deck.My opponent attempts to Normal Summon Bear as a second Normal Summon.I activate Solemn Warning. My opponent negates the activation of Solemn Warning with Solemn Judgment.When Solemn Judgment resolves, I have Meltiel destroy Tensu. Is the Summon of Bear continued? You can't Warning the effect of Tensu to summon Bear, you would have to Warning the Tensu the moment it hits the field. So yes, if you control Meltiel they couldn't summon Bear but they would never have even tried to use the effect of Tensu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesynchrohero Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 If I wanted to use Double Attack with an XYZ monster, would any monster work or would it have to be a higher level then the XYZ monsters rank ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 If I wanted to use Double Attack with an XYZ monster, would any monster work or would it have to be a higher level then the XYZ monsters rank ?You wouldn't even be able to, as Xyz Monsters don't have levels.OK THEN Let's say I control Meltiel, Sage of the Skies and Sanctuary in the Sky. My opponent activates Tenki, searches Chicken, Summons it, and chowders Tenki for a Tensu from the Deck. My opponent attempts to Normal Summon Bear as a second Normal Summon. I activate Solemn Warning. My opponent negates the activation of Solemn Warning with Solemn Judgment. When Solemn Judgment resolves, I have Meltiel destroy Tensu. Is the Summon of Bear continued?Continuous effets last as long as the card remains face-up, so if it is removed, any effect will immediately disappear, and your opponent would no longer be able to summon since they have used up their normal summon already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesynchrohero Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 You wouldn't even be able to, as Xyz Monsters don't have levels.Thanks, I thought it might work like that card that treats spell and trap cards level as 0, because they don't have levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Thanks, I thought it might work like that card that treats spell and trap cards level as 0, because they don't have levels.Nope, Xyz Monsters don't have Levels they have Ranks, which means any card that says "levels" can't affect Xyz Monsters, and the same way around that "Rank" can't affect all other kinds of monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 You can't Warning the effect of Tensu to summon Bear, you would have to Warning the Tensu the moment it hits the field. So yes, if you control Meltiel they couldn't summon Bear but they would never have even tried to use the effect of Tensu.Tensu doesn't summon anything. It gives an additional normal summon.To answer the question, he's already used the second Normal Summon attempt. Bear is in the process of being summoned and destroying Tensu will not prevent a summon attempt that is already happening.That's how I see it at least. Thanks, I thought it might work like that card that treats spell and trap cards level as 0, because they don't have levels. Saying an Xyz is level 0 is like saying a Synchro is Rank 0.If it involves the monsters level, Xyz will not be usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Can I, let's say, banish 1 LaDD from my grave and a Ronintoadin from my hand to summon Tidal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Can I, let's say, banish 1 LaDD from my grave and a Ronintoadin from my hand to summon Tidal?"Hand or Graveyard" means either/or, just like Miracle Fusion's "Field or Graveyard." Same thing with "Dragon-type and/or WATER monsters"So yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Tensu doesn't summon anything. It gives an additional normal summon.To answer the question, he's already used the second Normal Summon attempt. Bear is in the process of being summoned and destroying Tensu will not prevent a summon attempt that is already happening.That's how I see it at least. Derp, Warning only negates effects that SS. I'm sorry, that would mean you would have to Warning the summon of Bear and even if you do destroy Tensu Bear has already been summoned so it wouldn't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Elemental Dragon monster banishes 2 monsters to summon itself. I chain debunk. Will that dragon be able to activate it's effect that activates when banished in that scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Can you Stardust Deck Dev if you control a face-up monster with 1500 or less DEF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Elemental Dragon monster banishes 2 monsters to summon itself. I chain debunk. Will that dragon be able to activate it's effect that activates when banished in that scenario?I'm not 100 % sure, because sometimes you CANNOT activate "only once per turn" effects again after they have been negated. I forgot how to tell the difference, others will probably tell, though I think you would be able to in this case.Can you Stardust Deck Dev if you control a face-up monster with 1500 or less DEF?No. If there's nothing for Deck Dev Virus to destroy you can't activate Stardust as it requires for something to be destroyed. If you mistyped DEF for ATK, then yes you can. Also any card in the hand that would be a valid target so Stardust can negate it can't happen since your opponent checks the hand during the resolution, and at that point Stardust has lost it's chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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